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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI call straight out bullshit on the national poll that MSNBC/Steve Kornacki just posted
35% of all Americans are most concerned about the economy and inflation ... which favors republicans by
something like 65% of who can handle those problems the best
But only 9% see abortion as their top issue.
Look I am nuttier than a squirrel turd and dumber then a bag of mulch but I don't buy those #s for 1 second.
People please pay no attention to these polls because I think they are being manipulated by the PTB and to
make it seem like the republicans got this in the bag.
budkin
(6,699 posts)No question about it.
BComplex
(8,042 posts)going to hear is "see! It was stolen!!" and then out come all the AK-47's.
Elessar Zappa
(13,964 posts)Ill buy that inflation is the top issue but abortion at 9%? No way.
SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)for the past two months. I've been harping on this for a while now (check my posts). More people care about food and gas prices than abortion. You may not like it, but that is reality, and we need to address this in the last two weeks.
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)Tax cuts for the rich? I have not heard one repukes articulate what they are going to do to ease inflation.
SoBlueInFL
(191 posts)totally o.k. with Republicans taking away Medicare and Social Security. Do they really think that they can survive without them?
triron
(21,999 posts)Thats why we can't keep it.
SoBlueInFL
(191 posts)These people are very into groupthink. They prefer to be told what to do and think. They score high in their preference for an authoritarian leader and living in an autocracy--as long as the dictator holds the same views as they do. They don't stop to think that the next dictator might be left wing. They don't understand that dictators of any stripe are bad.
forthemiddle
(1,379 posts)We have been saying that Republicans are going to cut SS and Medicare for the last 20 years, and now that they really intend too, most people just think it is political rhetoric .
Its kind of them saying they want to take away your guns. Nobody really believes it anymore.
Unfortunately, this time it is probably as true as the Roe argument.
They also know that for at least the next two years, Biden still has the Veto pen,and those benefits are safe.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Repub plans to cut Social Security and Medicare??..In what world does make sense?
Lovie777
(12,237 posts)chopping block for SS, SSI, Medicare, Medicaid, Snap, Monetary Assistance - Welfare, et al, and probably raise taxes on the milddle class and poor.
And seniors will have to work until they drop dead.
bdamomma
(63,837 posts)are all for tax cuts for their donor class, and taking away rights from the working class, they just DO NOT CARE. They are telling us they are going after medicare, social security, they want to fleece us.
VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!!!!!!!
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)the donor class is really the bribing class.
SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)Meadowoak
(5,545 posts)Bev54
(10,048 posts)sop
(10,162 posts)I will continue to do so---even if he acquires a new pair of khaki pants.
It bugged me no end when he started doing sports shows too.
OMGWTF
(3,951 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)i'll bet he doesn't mention limbaugh and 1500 unified radio stations that made gingrich and rove famous and was the real reason they won, ALEC finally hit gold after years struggling, and the record partisanship started
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)Head down, tv off. Vote. Donate. Call.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)Rather than get discouraged, pissed off Dems will hop on one leg to get to the polls.
SamKnause
(13,091 posts)Then they can give all the nutjobs a platform to say the election was stolen.
Fuck the country, it's good for the ratings.
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Probatim
(2,525 posts)list of potential responses - abortion has been near the bottom of the list in all of them. They lead with crime, inflation, and the economy. Some/most respondents won't scroll down to see anything past the top 5.
In two of them, the republican candidate is listed while the "democrat" candidate is listed as "democrat" candidate. Plenty of opportunities to rate Biden, trunt, our outgoing governor, departing senator, and republican candidate, but not the democratic choice.
They've been shameless in their bias.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,413 posts)Inflation panic favors RePutinicans
. reality favors Democrats. Half of the inflation number is increased pricing to maintain or increase corp profitability
- more RePutinicans in Congress means no corp tax increases and less oversight. Its not rocket science - its fen GREED.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)We shouldn't have a defeatist attitude for obvious reasons but that doesn't mean we should ignore reality either.
Botany
(70,496 posts)>70% of Americans favor a women's right to choose and Joe Biden has done an awesome job
on the economy. Best job #s in 60+ years and real wages across the country have been going
up too.
But polls have shown that most Americans think the economy lost jobs to my understanding. One time only 24% of Americans knew the infrastructure bill passed. And given unfortunately our car centric society who thinks that investing in public transportation somehow violates their "freedom" might give up their rights if they think it might save a penny at the gas tank.
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)We have many different polls from different places over the last several weeks that place abortion below economic issues by a very large margin. So your explanation is that alllllll these polling outfits are conspiring together for the benefit of the Republican party. You're saying you know what the reality of American voters truly is.
Ok, so two questions.
How does this conspiracy work? I mean, nuts and bolts. You're claiming it, so I'd like some proof. Do we have evidence that more than half a dozen polling outfits, including major newspapers and cable news channels, are falsifying their numbers intentionally for a political outcome?
What empirical evidence do you have that your perception is reality and all these people are lying?
Remember reality-based community? It was a point of pride. "I don't like this, so it's a conspiracy," doesn't fit well with that ethos, IMO.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)+1
druidity33
(6,446 posts)"We have many different polls from different places over the last several weeks". I've seen a couple of "reputable" polls with decent sample sizes. One was a Politico poll and the other WaPo. Both showed a near comparable priority in the economy and abortion. Honestly i think polling in this day and age has so many catastrophic fails that it's hard to imagine ANY poll being more than a snapshot of a disparate group of people. Even the 538 aggregate numbers can be utterly wrong (at the end, when all is said and done.)
OtterDave
(61 posts)sarisataka
(18,606 posts)We don't like it.
There is another thread on a CNN poll showing Democratic candidates leading. Suddenly the usually maligned CNN polling is without criticism.
Quakerfriend
(5,450 posts)Of all the women Ive ever known- friends, roommates, family- ~50% have had abortions & some have had more than one- And, these are just those who felt comfortable enough to let it be known- no way that this is NOT a top concern for ALL women of this country- including the few remaining somewhat sane Republicans!
And, btw, I was polled for the very first time!
It came in via text!
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)Botany
(70,496 posts)And Kim Jong Il was a great golfer too.
The greatest golfer in history is gone.
North Korean dictator/superstar golfer Kim Jong-Il has died at 69 -- a fitting age, because 69 is under par on every regulation golf course.
Kim Jong-Il
Associated Press
Kim Jong-Il never needed a swing coach to master the sport of golf.
Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. This was in 1994, when Kim was 52 years old. Even more impressive, Kim stood just 5-foot-3, yet he was able to overpower a course as long as any ever played in major championship history. Who knows how good Kim could have been if he had taken up the sport earlier? Who knows how many times he bested 38 under in the 17 years since his first round?
What we do know is that no matter how many more majors Tiger Woods does or doesn't win, the debate of Tiger vs. Jack is really an argument about who is the second-best golfer in history.
More than his undisputed greatness on the course, it's probably Kim's simple approach to the game that will be his enduring legacy. While other great golfers have written books full of tips, tricks and swing thoughts, Kim had the best approach to conquering the sport of golf: Have your national propaganda department lie for you.
http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/index/_/id/7369649
iemanja
(53,031 posts)as the most important issue.
Bluethroughu
(5,153 posts)Get voting and be winning!
Takket
(21,562 posts)She cannot understand anyone voting on inflation. Inflation comes and goes but abortion rights effects your entire lifetime.
rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)for clarity? BS they did it to show more GOP momentum.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)Also consider it might be affected by earlier questions. The fact is most people care about of mix of things. It may well be that someone who is very concerned with the cost of living and reproductive rights.
In reality, the cost of living will likely be the same in 2023 no matter who controls the senate. Inflation is a worldwide problem. However, reproductive rights can change enormously depending on who controls Congress AND the presidency. Who wins Senate seats NOW is important because otherwise everything rests on a presidential veto. If we go into the 2004 having lost one or more seats, it makes it harder to win the majority in 2024.
Biden did amazing things with the narrowest of margins in both Houses. But, if the Republicans take the majority in either, he may be able to do almost nothing.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I'm in a position where I really don't have to worry too much about money, but I'm shocked at prices in the store. I can't imagine being on a fixed income or raising a family on a small income.
As an older woman, I'm also worried about crime. I read a post here the other day where someone said crime was decreasing. Certainly not so in the biggest metro area near me. Violent crime and property crime is up. Even my small town has more murders than last year...all committed by the same children with guns and grudges.
We ignore these factors at our own peril
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)So concerned people should vote for the opposite party that is not offering any solutions. The same party that always screws everything up so democrats can later fix it?
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)vote. But many aren't life-long Democrats.
The OP seems to think that the economy is not top of people's minds. I'm afraid it is.
I simply disagreed with that assumption.
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)I just don't know how people are affording the price increases. I remember what barely eking by was like. My groceries are up as much as 30-50% depending on what it is. (WTF has happened to chicken and coffee?!)
Crime has been ticking up where I live as well over the past two years. Mainly property crime, but there have been some violent drug-related incidents happening when they never had in the area before. My neighborhood was so furious about it, they used their clout (affluent NIMBYs) to have a new police substation installed down the street.
All you need are enough pissed off suburbanites to swing an election. How many times in how many different instances have we seen that suburbanites will win or lose an election for us? Economically squeeze them, have crime spread outward into their enclaves, and blend in some school board issues with Covid and other things, and it's a turbulent stew.
I think people in online political spaces mistake opinions for caring. A post above said 70% of Americans are pro-choice in some way. And that is probably true. But that's an opinion. Their level of caring about it is going to vary widely. And we're seeing in poll after poll that prioritizing the economy rises above abortion.
Hell, I have an opinion about a lot of things if someone actively asks me about it. Doesn't mean I care enough to do anything about it.
LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)boils down to-- do people think voting for Repubs really change anything? I know a lot of low info voters will reflexively think they just need to change parties and that's where it really hurts us even though electing Repubs will be catastrophic.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)If they do think that, then we're in big trouble.
LymphocyteLover
(5,643 posts)so a lot of things are jumbled together in that inflation/economic message.
Rebl2
(13,492 posts)concerns are republicans getting in control and doing away with social security, Medicare and Medicaid. The will permanently get rid of Roe v.Wade. They will make the economy even worse than it is. They will cut off money to Ukraine. The rich will get richer and we peons will suffer greatly. They will praise Putin every day and I could go on and on.
Silent3
(15,204 posts)...and have unjustified conspiratorial thinking about polls. Polls definitely have accuracy problems, but you don't understand the incentives of most pollsters and how faking poll results that turn out to be inaccurate is against their best interests.
You also assume incorrectly that unfavorable polls are a reliable way to discourage voter turnout. They aren't.
Prairie_Seagull
(3,316 posts)in my 35 years of marriage, raising 2 wonderful university educated daughters, it is that they may argue their point at first but when in disagreement with me or others they will let it go and then hand me or others our hats at a later point. All three have their own way but my guess is that you should not put weight on these polls. imo, the pink wave will be real and huge.
Of course I am horrified by the Dobbs decision.
When Dobbs was announced people made their voices heard. now is just the calm before the storm of hats.
Emile
(22,679 posts)brush
(53,767 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 24, 2022, 07:29 PM - Edit history (1)
to relish hyping polls and info that favors republicans.
iemanja
(53,031 posts)Rather they don't rank it was their number one choice. 35% ranking inflation number one isn't very high.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)bdamomma
(63,837 posts)it's just Magats and their sick propaganda. Our media should be ashamed of themselves. Not being truthful with Americans.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)past 2 years hard to imagine Dems are in trouble.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)Their internal polling said the same thing when they briefed me. Reproductive rights has risen since May, but the economy/cost of living was and is the top issue.
Here's a lesson I learned early on in politics: never assume that the average voter thinks about issues the same way you do.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Voters in deep blue states may not rank abortion rights as a big personal concern because they assume their state is safe.
Bread $5.50, milk $4.50, 1 russet $.99
grantcart
(53,061 posts)quaint
(2,561 posts)maryellen99
(3,788 posts)The only bread that is $5 is the Keto friendly bread.
Evolve Dammit
(16,723 posts)The Wizard
(12,541 posts)indicate the country is going in the right direction? Talk about a question with a predetermined outcome.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)My first thought was "You sir, are full of shit."
bedazzled
(1,761 posts)Useless waste of air time
Ford_Prefect
(7,891 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)Especially during midterms.
Farmer-Rick
(10,159 posts)What's the margin of error? How many people were polled? How did they estimate likely voters?
All polls are not equal and media polls frequently push an agenda.
Bettie
(16,091 posts)...exactly, because how a question is worded makes an enormous difference in terms of what answers they get.
For example, last few times I answered a polling call, the questions and possible answers (multiple choice) were pretty obvious as to what answers they wanted to get.
Plus, polls are generally of people who pick up their land lines or answer their cell phone if they don't know who is on the other end. That isn't a huge group.
And to those who will declare that the polls are utterly and 100% representative and oh so accurate...yeah, sure, whatever.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)You do realize that pollsters know how to use voice mail and texts...Right? Those methods are quite effective at getting through to even the most aggressive phone screeners.
Pollsters know that, and use it to their advantage. In fact, just today, a text message is precisely how a major pollster made that crucial initial contact with me, and I'm probably the most aggressive phone screener of them all.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)We don't answer the phone. They are only getting a very narrow demographic.
cstanleytech
(26,284 posts)come back and bite Republicans on their ass.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)35% putting the economy/inflation top is not at all surprising. That 65% think the Republicans handle that better is depressing - that must include many Democratic voters too. 9% putting abortion as their top issue? Well, probably 8 or 9% more than last time. And 8 or 9% more than said "climate change".
It's good for people to know that their own priorities aren't shared by everyone.
Who are you saying manipulated what organisation, and how? Are you saying Kornacki is lying and the poll doesn't say that, or the polling company is corrupt and is lying, or got hacked, or what? This is one reason a link would help make your case sound a little more credible.
wryter2000
(46,037 posts)No wonder people have the importance of inflation inflated in their tiny heads. It's non-stop Inflation Day on the TV. Pundits and "news" people. Inflation, inflation, INFLATION. No one seems to care that people have jobs. How many people honestly can't afford milk? Yes, things cost more. I'll live.
The price of gas gets artificially inflated by the oil companies. That really does get ridiculous, but if you don't own a business that requires trucks, it's not the major disaster some would have us believe. It's just really impressive numbers to "report." Where is the news that people who want to manipulate election outcomes are running for important offices? Should that matter to anyone? It hardly gets noticed, and when it does, it's only MSNBC.
MichMan
(11,910 posts)wryter2000
(46,037 posts)They wouldn't think it was the most important thing going on in this country.
MichMan
(11,910 posts)wryter2000
(46,037 posts)They can't help but feel it's important.
Inflation is important, but so many other things they don't get around to mentioning are, too. Listening to them you'd think our inflation was the worst in the world and was driving huge numbers of people out of business and/or into bankruptcy.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)nowforever
(302 posts)The poll seemed to ignore the largest segment of voting population.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)No-one else has, so far, and you know more details than are in the OP, so I guess you've seen it.
lees1975
(3,845 posts)And that's Iowa.
I think a lot of Republicans will experience a Kansas-sized surprise on November 8th.
calimary
(81,220 posts)What drives me nuts is his constant windmill arms and extending his arm directly across whatever the graphics are that he's describing, and you CAN'T SEE the graphics while he's pointing and waving and then even standing in front of them.
That's another thing I'd tackle if I were ever in charge at MSNBC.
1) Chuck Todd: gone.
2) Andrea Mitchell: gone.
3) Steve Kornacki: dude, do I have to tie your arms to your sides when you do a standup in front of a display board with the statistics you're explaining? I don't want to see windmills and train-track arms and the nonstop in-'n'-out hand jabs that constantly block what the number board actually shows. Or, maybe we do a split-screen showing the graphics separately SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THEM while he's describing them, and his hands and arms aren't flapping and flying around in the way. He just drives me freakin' NUTS.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)The voter enthusiasm numbers are what scares me.
JohnSJ
(92,149 posts)have to go state by state, and evaluate each state separately
Joinfortmill
(14,417 posts)Warpy
(111,245 posts)and sometimes they have to choose between eating and rent. You bet your ass they're mostly concerned about that.
Where I call bullshit is that they think Republicans will do something about it. America needs a raise, a big one, and it's not coming from those stingy bastards. They cut taxes on the richest and to hell with the rest of us.
Of course some of it is being manipulated. Most of it is genuine and totally predicted by anyone who has ever paid attention to what the economy actually does in times of stress. We;ve just come out of a pandemic and are supplying someone fighting a big war. Of course there's inflation and it's worldwide.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Abortion is not a top issue, it peaked after Roe was overturned. Voters, especially swing voters, care about what affects them directly in their minds.
The VAST majority do not think abortion will affect them or theirs. Their thinking is they would not have an unwanted pregnancy, and if they did, they can afford to go somewhere, have the procedure, and no one would be the wiser.
The fact is the economy and inflation is the top issue, by far. The stupidity is voters thinking Republicans have any clue or plans do change it. They never have and never will.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)tomorrow...and just how do you know the poll is correct?
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)It just isn't.
I will be happy to bookmark this thread however, and I will be very happy to tell you that you were correct.
But I'm afraid not.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)not in danger. We should be screaming danger Danger DANGER at the rooftops. Vote vote vote. In 2004 exit polls the day of the election had Kerry way ahead of Bush by two PM. It deoressed the Democratic vote for the rest of the day. My guess it was harried democrats coming home at the end if the day, juggling kids, dinner and voting and hearing John Kerry was way out ahead they didn't need to vote. EVERYONE NEEDS TO VOTE. DANGER DANGER DANGER Republican House ahead.
iemanja
(53,031 posts)That had abortion had 9%. The number one selection was threats to democracy. Of course that means different things for Democrats and Republicans. The economy and jobs were in second place.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)start this crap. I expect Joy will not accept it at face value. She has already said she doesn't believe polls.
iemanja
(53,031 posts)Response to iemanja (Reply #84)
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honest.abe
(8,678 posts)401K values, etc. The abortion ruling doesnt directly effect most people. However I find it hard to believe only 9% are concerned about abortion. Maybe its been too long and people have forgotten about it. Its maddening.
madville
(7,408 posts)More focused on retirement and overall healthcare. My #1 issue is inflation, followed by the social security and Medicare. Im kinda surprised inflation/economy is only 35% actually.
budkin
(6,699 posts)NO WAY.
CousinIT
(9,240 posts)...are going to fix it?
Crashing the economy to force cuts in social security & medicare, banning abortion, lgbtq rights, and contraception IS NOT going to help the economy OR inflation. QUITE the contrary.
How FUCKING STUPID are these people?!
EDIT: WITHOUT A DEMOCRACY EVERYTHING WILL BE WORSE. MUCH WORSE. Because our RULERS will have ZERO accountability to voters. NONE. And this country will be screwed top to bottom (except the billionaires) backwards and front. DESTROYED.
Again: How FUCKING STUPID are these people?!
(I'm related to some of them - they are BLIND and DEAF to facts, reason, or empathy for ANYBODY but themselves). And they're stone STUPID.
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)How does this sentence:
35% of all Americans are most concerned about the economy and inflation
Equate to Republicans are favored to win?
First off, if 35% of Americans are most worried about economy and inflation, that means 65% dont rank those as their biggest concern. Or am I missing something?
Women are going to be worried about their right to bodily autonomy. It is directly tied to her personal economic and financial well-being.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)...until election day. Except for Rachel.
Spending the next two weeks quietly encouraging everyone I know who will vote BLUE to do just that!!
All the hyperventilation is just too much
Deminpenn
(15,278 posts)that comes to mind without giving the question much thought at all.