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Jilly_in_VA

(9,940 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:25 PM Oct 2022

I just have to rant a little

I spent two a a half hours this afternoon trying to find an acceptable Medicare Part D substitute for the one I had this year, which I really did not like. Why does Medicare have to make it so damn difficult, and why does the website have to be so damn clumsy? I finally picked the one which seemed to be the least offensive, but who can tell? After awhile they all look alike and you can't really tell anything about anything.

*rant mode off*

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Aristus

(66,275 posts)
1. Medicare, and a lot of other government services are deliberately designed to be as
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:29 PM
Oct 2022

difficult and inefficient as possible so when people complain, the anti-government types in our...uh...government can say: "See? Government doesn't work! Let's just privatize everything!"

SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
6. Because the insurance companies insisted on it. They want to make money off it.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:03 PM
Oct 2022

If it were government run, single-payer, it would be much simpler.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
2. Why does Medicare have to be in parts?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:30 PM
Oct 2022

This is needlessly complicated.

How it should be:
Are you human?
Yes.
You're covered.

Wounded Bear

(58,584 posts)
7. Ultimately, the cheapest plan is to cover everybody for everything...
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:34 PM
Oct 2022

setting aside elective surgeries, of course.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
15. There is an entire layer of the wealth care system that could be eliminated.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 12:16 AM
Oct 2022

In addition to health care, we pay for an entire industry whose primary purpose is to suck in money and deny services.

IcyPeas

(21,839 posts)
17. I only found this out last year when I became eligible.
Wed Oct 26, 2022, 03:50 AM
Oct 2022

I was clueless up until then. I was so stressed out looking at all the plans and all the ifs, ands or buts. I had no idea it was so convoluted and difficult to navigate. I had no idea it was in parts.

I urge people to do some research before their 65th birthday.

kacekwl

(7,010 posts)
4. It would be nice when the
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:44 PM
Oct 2022

Democratic party takes over a solid majority in the House and Senate next year they finally do something about this. I can hope right ?

Alice Kramden

(2,165 posts)
13. I'm there with you!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:30 PM
Oct 2022

Hope, work for it, contribute all we can to the Democratic candidates - And as Captain Picard said, "Make it so" !!!

cachukis

(2,229 posts)
5. After Andrew hit here in Florida in the early 90's, Allstate
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 08:02 PM
Oct 2022

complained about their anticipated payout. It turns out they made a profit of $695 million or so, as I remember, in the 4th quarter of 1991, right after Andrew.
Congress was befuddled and tried to audit the insurance industry to see where all this money was going.
Congress suggested that shrinking the variety of plans would give them a better way to audit. The insurance companies fought this tooth and nail claiming that they needed to offer different policies, to, in essence, bamboozle the public to make enough money to pay out claims.
Congress bought the argument. The idea of single payer has suffered ever since.
At the time, I sold law books to the insurance industry and saw the industry's take over of health care with the HMO's.
It turns out, the advantage plans are just a feed to the insurance companies.
We need universal single payer health care. The insurance companies can still sell Cadillac plans, but when AI takes over so many more earning opportunities, people will either be dropping like flies or we will allocate some cash flow from the very wealthy for health care and a living wage arrangement. This clash is coming.
The insurance companies are going through the drill right now with homeowners insurance here in Florida.
They are way ahead of the unwary. They are not going to lose money. But most of us are.

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
9. I actually found the Part D website very useful.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:11 PM
Oct 2022

It's overwhelming (but that's the program). I was pleasantly surprised that I was able to find the information for our new circumstances (my spouse will be in the donut hole) as easily as I did. Some of what I found surprised me, and makes picking the best plan quite challenging - but the challenge isn't because of the site - it's because #%*! rules, which Congress needs to fix.

Things that surprised me:

Prices for most of our standard drugs are cheaper in the donut hole than before. It turns out that most of the Part D plans pass 50-80% of their negotiated price for the cheaper drugs on to us (so they pay only 20-50%). In the donut hole, the cap is 25%, so the price goes down for the drugs where there is a high pass through price.

Prices for some drugs increase after we emerge from the donut hole. Once you emerge from the donut hole, the price is 5% OR $4.15 - whichever is more. So drugs which cost below $4.15 in the donut hole will increase in price once you emerge.

Things I knew from last year:

Price your plan both through each plan (drug by drug) AND buying each drug without insurance through Costco or GoodRx. We buy more than half of our drugs outside of the Part D plan - it's no surprise, now that I'm looking at the passed on % (which the website provides) that a lot of them are cheaper if we just ignore insurance.

The negotiated prices between companies can vary as much as 40 x (e.g. one plan negotiated $2 for a drug - and another negotiated $80 for the exact same drug). (All of the negotiated prices are available in the website, so you can see exactly what you are paying - and what the insurance company is paying, and you can add up the total spend to figure out when you enter the donut hole.)

I created a big spreadsheet last year for the 24 plans available in my area - using the cheaper of buying the meds via Costco or using the plan price on a drug by drug basis. It saved me $120 (roughly 25%), and my spouse $310 (roughly 30%) over the cheapest plan for each of us.

Based on my spreadsheet this year - I'll be using the same plan. Even though I have significant acute medical conditions (I was shocked when I counted them up recently) they don't end up in long-term medications. So I'm a cheap date as far as drugs go. My spouse, on the other hand, is on lots of medications - and added a new medication this year, which will put her in the donut hole. The only question is when (sometime between April and July). So I have to do lots of different calculations - I'm in the process of building a new and improved spreadsheet which does the "inside the donut hole calculations" I was able to skip last year. It's a nightmare. But the site makes the data I need easy to gather.

If you've got questions about how the website works or how Part D works with a generic plan I can try to answer them for you . . . I've spent way more time than is healthy on the website.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
12. You can call Medicare, they can be very helpful in comparing plans and prices
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:27 PM
Oct 2022

This has proven to be the most helpful to me. Surely every plan available in your area has inundated you with direct mail, explaining their plans. Nothing worthwhile is every easy.

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