Wanna end the Putin nuclear extortion?

[Pantagruel]

Let NATO hint that to counter Russia's nuclear threats, Ukraine should get back some nukes of their own.

I know it's fraught with danger but Putin needs to be frightened and the Russian people need to be motivated to act against him?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Where would those nukes come from, and where would they go?

[WarGamer]

2. Some people need to be reminded that if nukes fly...

The world ends.

No more House of Dragons, no more elections, Sizzlers or breastfeeding women... just poof and sterile planet.

Too many people are taking the threat lightly.

[In It to Win It]

4. ...

NOT HOUSE OF DRAGONS!!!!!

[marble falls]

3. But they're kicking the bear's ass already without upping the rhetoric. Do you think ...

... somewhere in Putin's chemo addled thinking that scenario hasn't already popped up? I do.

Why prove him right if it won't change the outcome?

[thomski64]

6. Say nothing..

..if putin uses nukes or dirty bombs
or wharever next war crime. Respond conventionally, for example sink every orc
warship any where near Ukraine, and then
say nothing about that either...

[marble falls]

17. Think a little deeper. Do really think for a moment Putin will use nukes, the world will twiddle ...

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... it's thumbs?

Do you really think the richest man in the world really wants to DEstabilize his US dollars?????

How will he buy his next billion dollar yacht? Or keep the one he has upkeep at sea????

[SallyHemmings]

5. You can't scare crazy

I

[Pantagruel]

9. Wrong, sometimes "crazier"

is the only thing "crazy" responds to, trick is pulling it off.

[sarisataka]

7. Only three NATO countries have nuclear weapons

England, France and the US. Who should step up and provide the weapons?
What weapons should be given- tactical such as artillery and short range missiles or ICBMs?

[paleotn]

8. Better yet.....

If Russia uses a WMD of any kind, anything Russian flying in Ukraine dies. If Putin wants to get strategic, we can do that too. He won't go there.

[Pantagruel]

10. We took Ukraine's nukes

Promised they wouldn't need them. Seems like we might have lied.
Give them back a few and let them decide whether to use them?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. "We took Ukraine's nukes" Lol what? No. Ukraine had no nukes. The nuclear weapons that were in the

Ukrainian SSR were turned over to Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. Ukraine has no capacity to monitor, mange or launch nuclear weapons. It also signed the Lisbon Protocol and has been a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state since 1994.

[Pantagruel]

13. Technically correct

but Ukraine was promised protection .

"In 1994, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States signed the Budapest Memorandum, recommitting to obligations under the UN Charter to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and to not use force against its territorial integrity or independence and re-stating their policy of not using nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-armed states, unless that state attacked them in partnership with a nuclear-armed state. The use of force or invasion of Ukraine would be in violation of this Memorandum, but first and foremost, of the UN Charter, on which the Memorandum is based."

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. The Budapest Memorandum is an assurance that is low on details, not a promised policy, but

the U.S. has more than met that assurance so far.

[Pantagruel]

11. My guess

is simply the vague threat of Ukraine regaining nuke capability should be enough to cower Putin and energize his opposition in Russia.

[former9thward]

15. That would be a double violation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

All the nuclear NATO countries have ratified the Treaty and they would be in violation if they supplied Ukraine with weapons. Ukraine has ratified it and would be in violation if they accepted weapons.

[Pantagruel]

16. Russia already in violation

of the Budapest Memorandum. Why let them get away scot free?
At the very least,convene a NATO meeting to discuss arming Ukraine.
That alone might rein in Putin.