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Botany

(70,501 posts)
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 06:16 PM Nov 2022

None of this shit in the Ukraine would now be happening if we had stopped Putin/Trump in '16

BTW Republicans this is all on you too. Republicans knew that Trump was "Russian Dirty" in 2016.
And they were good with it.

2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support

President Trump may have been involved with a change to the Republican Party campaign platform last year that watered down support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine, according to new information from someone who was involved.

Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform.

Ultimately, the softer position was adopted.

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine

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And don't forget what Don's impeachment #1 was all about too. Helping Putin and weakening Ukraine
by blackmailing Zelenskyy to get the weapons he needed in his fight with Russia. And to get the weapons
his country needed Trump wanted Zelenskyy to make up shit about Joe and Hunter Biden. All the republican
senators refused to hold Trump accountable for his crimes there and Mitch McConnell stopped the American
people and the senate from seeing exactly what TFG did. McConnell walked away laughing.

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And do not forget who sold out Ukraine on the Crimea in 2014 good old Gen. Flynn

President Obama fired him for not giving him and others warning about Russia's invasion
of the Ukraine (Flynn was flipped by Russia in 2013 my ) then Flynn went to
Russia for about 6 months, then came back to America to work for the Trump campaign,
Trump was warned about Flynn but still hired him, and after he was caught negotiating
secret deals and setting up secret back channel communications with Vlad/Russia/Eric Prince
Trump's White House had to fire him. Flynn was not fired for lying to Pence but for being
caught dirty as per Russia.

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None of this shit in the Ukraine would now be happening if we had stopped Putin/Trump in '16 (Original Post) Botany Nov 2022 OP
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Nov 2022 #1
Both Manafort and Flynn worked for Putin Botany Nov 2022 #2
Without question. BlueLucy Nov 2022 #3
Yes. Texaswitchy Nov 2022 #4
Is Pooty mad about the midterms? moondust Nov 2022 #5
Truth. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 #6
Thank you for this recap. electric_blue68 Nov 2022 #7
Conversely, had Cheeto been re-elected Vlad the Invader would've run roughshod peppertree Nov 2022 #8
Yep. And giving up their nukes was admirable but now proves to be a huge mistake. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2022 #9
Syria was the first step, then Trump started in on Ukraine. Putin just sat back & smiled. NullTuples Nov 2022 #10
But we could never do that because Clinton had "baggage". jaxexpat Nov 2022 #11
It was obvious in 2016 well before the election. yardwork Nov 2022 #12
And if you read something about Hillary and her emails in 2016 on Facebook you were reading ... Botany Nov 2022 #16
and TFG would never have gotten anywhere near the WH if we had not ignored RW radio certainot Nov 2022 #13
☑️☑️ K&R for visibility. crickets Nov 2022 #14
If we hadn't stopped Trump in 2020, Mr.Bill Nov 2022 #15

moondust

(19,976 posts)
5. Is Pooty mad about the midterms?
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 07:41 PM
Nov 2022

Massive missile attack following midterms including likely stray hit on Poland. Maybe disappointed knowing MTG's plan to help him by stopping funding for Ukraine has no chance of passing now. Maybe he was the GQP's chief strategist and like TFG does not like losing.

peppertree

(21,626 posts)
8. Conversely, had Cheeto been re-elected Vlad the Invader would've run roughshod
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:38 PM
Nov 2022

Or almost (Ukrainians have proven to be astounding fighters even without U.S./NATO aid).

But Cheeto would've come up with 100 excuses for withholding aid to Ukraine, that's for sure.

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
11. But we could never do that because Clinton had "baggage".
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:46 PM
Nov 2022

You know, the rumors and innuendo provided by conservative media for 25 years because otherwise she would have become president and cleaned the dirty white house.

So basically anyone who'd beat Hillary worked for the rumor mill which exists to keep the dust from settling so they can hide illegal and internationally criminal activity in the melee, the world of plausible deniability. The "A" list of espionage at the Trump hotel.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
12. It was obvious in 2016 well before the election.
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:49 PM
Nov 2022

Even the propaganda against Hillary sounded like Russian trolls. "Anointed" was a word that suddenly appeared everywhere.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
16. And if you read something about Hillary and her emails in 2016 on Facebook you were reading ...
Wed Nov 16, 2022, 04:37 AM
Nov 2022

.... Russian disinformation and millions of Americans did just that.

BTW I just woke back up

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
13. and TFG would never have gotten anywhere near the WH if we had not ignored RW radio
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 08:54 PM
Nov 2022

the last 30 years

limbaugh got him through the primaries

Mr.Bill

(24,283 posts)
15. If we hadn't stopped Trump in 2020,
Tue Nov 15, 2022, 09:49 PM
Nov 2022

NATO would be gone and Putin would own half of Europe. I really think that was Putin/Trumps plan.

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