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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNone of this shit in the Ukraine would now be happening if we had stopped Putin/Trump in '16
BTW Republicans this is all on you too. Republicans knew that Trump was "Russian Dirty" in 2016.
And they were good with it.
2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support
President Trump may have been involved with a change to the Republican Party campaign platform last year that watered down support for U.S. assistance to Ukraine, according to new information from someone who was involved.
Diana Denman, a Republican delegate who supported arming U.S. allies in Ukraine, has told people that Trump aide J.D. Gordon said at the Republican Convention in 2016 that Trump directed him to support weakening that position in the official platform.
Ultimately, the softer position was adopted.
https://www.npr.org/2016/08/06/488876597/how-the-trump-campaign-weakened-the-republican-platform-on-aid-to-ukraine
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And don't forget what Don's impeachment #1 was all about too. Helping Putin and weakening Ukraine
by blackmailing Zelenskyy to get the weapons he needed in his fight with Russia. And to get the weapons
his country needed Trump wanted Zelenskyy to make up shit about Joe and Hunter Biden. All the republican
senators refused to hold Trump accountable for his crimes there and Mitch McConnell stopped the American
people and the senate from seeing exactly what TFG did. McConnell walked away laughing.
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And do not forget who sold out Ukraine on the Crimea in 2014 good old Gen. Flynn
President Obama fired him for not giving him and others warning about Russia's invasion
of the Ukraine (Flynn was flipped by Russia in 2013 my ) then Flynn went to
Russia for about 6 months, then came back to America to work for the Trump campaign,
Trump was warned about Flynn but still hired him, and after he was caught negotiating
secret deals and setting up secret back channel communications with Vlad/Russia/Eric Prince
Trump's White House had to fire him. Flynn was not fired for lying to Pence but for being
caught dirty as per Russia.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Botany
(70,501 posts)nt/
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)Putin was scared to death of Hillary.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)No Trump no Ukraine.
President Hillary Clinton total difference.
moondust
(19,976 posts)Massive missile attack following midterms including likely stray hit on Poland. Maybe disappointed knowing MTG's plan to help him by stopping funding for Ukraine has no chance of passing now. Maybe he was the GQP's chief strategist and like TFG does not like losing.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,461 posts)Trump and his owner, Putin, ought to be at The Hague, being prosecuted for war crimes.
electric_blue68
(14,888 posts)peppertree
(21,626 posts)Or almost (Ukrainians have proven to be astounding fighters even without U.S./NATO aid).
But Cheeto would've come up with 100 excuses for withholding aid to Ukraine, that's for sure.
Evolve Dammit
(16,725 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)You know, the rumors and innuendo provided by conservative media for 25 years because otherwise she would have become president and cleaned the dirty white house.
So basically anyone who'd beat Hillary worked for the rumor mill which exists to keep the dust from settling so they can hide illegal and internationally criminal activity in the melee, the world of plausible deniability. The "A" list of espionage at the Trump hotel.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)Even the propaganda against Hillary sounded like Russian trolls. "Anointed" was a word that suddenly appeared everywhere.
Botany
(70,501 posts).... Russian disinformation and millions of Americans did just that.
BTW I just woke back up
certainot
(9,090 posts)the last 30 years
limbaugh got him through the primaries
crickets
(25,964 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,283 posts)NATO would be gone and Putin would own half of Europe. I really think that was Putin/Trumps plan.