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babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:04 PM Nov 2022

A pharma millionaire is suing four hunters for $7 million, and the results will have ahuge impact



https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/11/29/2139026/-A-phama-millionaire-is-suing-four-hunters-for-7-million-and-the-results-will-have-a-huge-impact
 
A pharma millionaire is suing four hunters for $7 million, and the results will have a huge impact
Mark Sumner
Daily Kos Staff
Tuesday November 29, 2022 · 3:22 PM EST
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OnX is an app that’s intended to help hunters find public land so they can go after deer, elk, or whatever they happen to be hunting. At first glance, that may not seem like news, but users of that app get an invaluable view of just who owns the property around them, which is critical when trying to reach public lands where hunting is legal. They have also gotten a very clear view of something that is otherwise hidden from the public: how corporations, millionaires, and billionaires have blocked out huge chunks of public property so that they alone can access it—without paying a dime. 

They do this by creating public land “islands,” areas that are surrounded by privately held property. The public lands in these islands become de facto parts of the surrounding property. In most states, there is absolutely no rule that says the property owners have to do anything to allow access to that island of land.


Now, in what may be one of the most egregious case of someone using their power and wealth to bully both local residents and officials, drug company executive Fredric Eshelman—net worth $380 million—is trying to make the situation even worse. He’s trying to block off huge areas of land even when he doesn’t surround them, by pressing a case that would make it much easier to prevent the public from reaching public land.

In the process, Eshelman is trying to financially destroy four hunters for “trespassing,” even though they literally never set one foot on his property. The outcome of this case will affect not just hunters and fishermen, but hikers, bird watchers, artists, photographers, and anyone who simply wants to access land that belongs to all of us.

As The New York Times reported on Saturday, the OnX app is at the center of the controversial case now being tried in Carbon County, Wyoming, because that app was used by Missouri bow hunter Bradly Cape in plotting how out he would access the public lands around Elk Mountain in Wyoming.

Well aware of how prickly many land owners are about hunters crossing their property, Cape located an area of “checkerboard” control. That is, the land is divided into one mile-by-one mile sections, half of which are public property, half of which are privately owned, like the black and white squares on a checkboard.

At one place on this checkboard map, Eshelman controlled two squares that met at a corner. The other two squares were public property. Using OnX, Cape mapped out the exact location and led three friends in stepping across the corner from one public square to the other. They not only didn’t step on Eshelman’s land, the area of his property they crossed was infinitely small. Not one state has laws against this “corner crossing,” which is common in areas where grants of public land were once given to railroad companies in an effort to “open up” the West.

Legally, Eshelman can’t run a fence across that corner. So instead he installed “no trespassing” signs at the corners of each of his squares, leaving only a few inches in between (a photograph of the signs is in the Times article). But in a return visit the hunters, aware of the signs after scouting the location, brought with them a specially constructed short ladder, allowing them to hop over the space between the signs. 

As WyoFile reports, Eshelman’s ranch manager spotted Cape’s group on the public property. After ranch workers harassed the hunters, including chasing them with pickup trucks which Eshelman’s men drove across the public land, the manager called the local sheriff along with Wyoming Fish and Game in an effort to charge the hunters with criminal trespass. Originally, officers from both agencies informed that manager that they didn’t issue trespassing charges for corner crossing. But days later, after the manager pressured local officials by reminding them of Eshelman’s importance in the county, another fish and game deputy issued the charge. 

Eshelman owns 23,277 acres near Elk Mountain, but in prosecuting this case against corner-crossing, he attempted to block access to 1.6 million acres of public land. 

The case went to trial in April, with the local district attorney claiming that someone would be prospected for trespass just for violating the “airspace” above private land (which would certainly be news to the FAA). It only took a local jury about two hours to decide the whole thing was ridiculous and find the four men not guilty.

That should have been the end of the whole thing, but after failing to get what he wanted from the criminal trespass case, Eshelman piled on to the hunters with a civil suit “for causing millions of dollars in damage” which seeks not only compensation for this supposed damage, but for the hunters to pay all legal fees in both the criminal and civil cases. He is seeking an incredible $7 million in damages for disturbing a few inches of air over his land.

As Donald Trump has illustrated so frequently, those who are wealthy enough can work the courts endlessly, using them both as a means to batter others into submission, and as a means of evading personal responsibility for anything. Hunting groups and other advocates for access to public land have raised $110,000 to help cover the legal fees, which threaten to crush the four hunters.

No matter how ridiculous this may all seem, and no matter the quick outcome of the jury trial, Wyoming officials are convinced that the landowners will win in the end. According to a Republican attorney who formerly worked for the state attorney general’s office, if the hunters win, “it would not surprise me at all that the Legislature would come back and pass a law saying corner crossing is illegal. It’s sort of if you win, you lose, and if you lose, you lose.”

Though most people are unaware, that kind of checkerboard control covers a huge amount of the American West, and blocking access to public land by this route would make equally huge areas completely inaccessible. The implications would reach far beyond one jackass pharma millionaire who used his Wall Street earnings to snap up some of Wyoming’s most beautiful property. 

The answer to a Wyoming law saying corner crossing is illegal is simply enough: a federal law saying it is. But Republicans are unlikely to allow such a law to pass, even if every hunter in America calls for it. Because for Republicans, if it comes to a contest between middle-class hunters and wealthy landowners … that’s not even a contest.

According to Forbes, Eshelman made his millions when one of multiple drug companies where he was an executive was sold in 2011 for $3.9 billion. “Eshelman personally made at least $160 million in the sale, after taxes. FORBES estimates that his fortune is worth at least $380 million. Eshelman would not comment on his net worth or on how much he netted from selling his stakes in any of his companies.”

Eshelman is a longtime supporter of conservative Republican politicians
. According to WyoFile:

He’s donated millions to conservative Republican candidates running for federal offices. In the 2008 election cycle he pumped $5.5 million into Rightchange.org, Eshelman’s “527” tax-exempt organization “formed primarily to influence a political election,” according to Open Secrets.


OpenSecrets lists Eshelman as the second-highest individual contributor to “Outside Money Organizations” in the 2010 election cycle, with $6,359,660 in contributions. His total contribution to Republican candidates for federal office is at least $28.5 million.
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A pharma millionaire is suing four hunters for $7 million, and the results will have ahuge impact (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2022 OP
This is egregious!!!! Thanks for the post!!! nt LAS14 Nov 2022 #1
Yep - reading about this - cilla4progress Nov 2022 #2
if anything seriously threatening to billionaires and real estate moguls comes out of this certainot Nov 2022 #31
Sykes was for him before he was against him? czarjak Nov 2022 #43
as a right wing radio host he was supposed to follow the limbaugh lead but apparently had more certainot Nov 2022 #45
Um... Dr. Strange Nov 2022 #62
Very interesting read. Here's the pic of the No Trespassing signs underpants Nov 2022 #3
Olympic high jumpers would have no problem with this FakeNoose Nov 2022 #47
Oligarch scum. CentralMass Nov 2022 #4
Wish cilla4progress Nov 2022 #55
This will be an interesting lawsuit to follow LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #5
Agreed yankee87 Nov 2022 #20
Dammit, greedy pigs. K&R for visibility. crickets Nov 2022 #6
Whose side is the NRA on? Marcuse Nov 2022 #7
Russia's. SergeStorms Nov 2022 #17
They proposed a settlement by shoot out grantcart Nov 2022 #36
NRA routinely supports candidates who DenaliDemocrat Nov 2022 #40
And yet...... montanacowboy Nov 2022 #8
What's mine is mine and what's ours is mine? NO NO NO IA8IT Nov 2022 #9
Kickin' with DISGUST Faux pas Nov 2022 #10
Kick Rec Bookmark Hekate Nov 2022 #11
i would think hunters in wyoming would have no trouble winning a lawsuit..... Takket Nov 2022 #12
They did locally... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #49
K n R ! Thanks for posting! nt JoeOtterbein Nov 2022 #13
Harassing and chasing hunters with pickup trucks? paleotn Nov 2022 #14
That was my first thought. rubbersole Nov 2022 #27
That's how... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #50
Appalling,to say the least! Diamond_Dog Nov 2022 #15
Am I the only who one who ever read about the exclusive hunting estates of the royalty and landed... thenelm1 Nov 2022 #16
These guys are not royalty; they're rich and babylonsister Nov 2022 #22
They are now, unfortunately. Oneironaut Nov 2022 #25
Certainly not "royalty" (though they might consider themselves of that ilk), but the... thenelm1 Nov 2022 #33
Yeah, reading the history of feudal England Farmer-Rick Nov 2022 #51
Isn't filing a false police report a crime? dickthegrouch Nov 2022 #18
They Got Indicted ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #44
I wouldn't think it wise.... SergeStorms Nov 2022 #19
The rich and filthy do not want the low life's on their property The Jungle 1 Nov 2022 #21
greed barbtries Nov 2022 #23
Blocking access to 1.6 million acres of public land. Wingus Dingus Nov 2022 #24
Dan and Farris Wilks are doing the same in Idaho, yonder Nov 2022 #26
Fuckwad Gianforte... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #52
Chasm describes it well yonder Nov 2022 #67
rich people try to block access to beaches in California. f*** greedy selfish rich people BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2022 #60
it happens everywhere Quanto Magnus Nov 2022 #63
Considering all the hoops they jumped through to avoid setting foot on his Warpy Nov 2022 #28
... Lucinda Nov 2022 #29
Damn...worthy of a season's worth of storyboard for Taylor Sheridan's Backseat Driver Nov 2022 #30
Right? MissB Nov 2022 #35
Episode Title: The Checkerboard Train Station Gambit Backseat Driver Nov 2022 #38
This could cost them their base not a texan Nov 2022 #32
Whoa... quite a read! calimary Nov 2022 #34
Never heard of this before. Thanks for posting. Should be guaranteed access. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #37
MAGAs that I've encountered ThoughtCriminal Nov 2022 #39
In England and Wales whistler162 Nov 2022 #41
Yes. And the state should do this right away. NM Grins Nov 2022 #53
Could US military maybe give free helicopter rides? raging moderate Nov 2022 #42
DEMs want to stop guns from killing kids. RETHUG Elitists block land they don't own. TigressDem Nov 2022 #46
Did not know this Wild blueberry Nov 2022 #48
another reason to bring back the 90% tax bracket Fullduplexxx Nov 2022 #54
Hear me out Achilles Skye Nov 2022 #56
If you'll permit me to propose an alternative: Orrex Nov 2022 #57
If I were the person who was in charge of EMS or the like in his area. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2022 #58
wow BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2022 #59
at age 72, he lies away at night counting his acres, worried that someone will cross them BlueWaveNeverEnd Nov 2022 #61
I'd like to see this spoiled little man Haggis 4 Breakfast Nov 2022 #64
Cue Gomer Pyle...... wolfie001 Nov 2022 #65
Hunting In the Royal Forest Deep State Witch Nov 2022 #66

cilla4progress

(24,725 posts)
2. Yep - reading about this -
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:10 PM
Nov 2022

"corner-crossing."

Some fucker of an attorney taking his willing obscenely rich clients' money to pursue an obscure legal theory of exclusivity.

Who do you think owns the almost wholly republican state legislature in Montana?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
31. if anything seriously threatening to billionaires and real estate moguls comes out of this
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:31 PM
Nov 2022

it'll become a regular subject for 1500 radio stations.

like when limbaugh blew up a black woman's suit against mcdonalds for spilling their hot coffee in her lap. it became a regular on 1500 radio stations to push tort reform.

i doubt if any of those hundreds of racist lying blowhards attacking a black woman who was suing mcdonalds for spilling coffee in her lap ever mentioned she had to have skin grafts because the coffee was so close to boiling.

i'll bet there are recordings of MSNBC contributor charlie sykes piling on before he got on the wrong side of trump and got pushed out for it..

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
45. as a right wing radio host he was supposed to follow the limbaugh lead but apparently had more
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:31 AM
Nov 2022

integrity or thought he was so important that his 'owners' would allow him not to bow before trump while the call screeners and producers got screamed at by the dittohead trumpers.

here's an article from 2008, i think, https://www.milwaukeemag.com/SecretsofTalkRadio/ entitled "Secrets of Talk Radio" by dan shelley who was a producer at WTMJ when sykes was a top blowhard.

it's a great rundown of some of the techniques used by the hundreds of racist liars hiding behind call screeners while attacking and lying about democrats, liberals, environmentalists - why we got here. also exposes sykes as a lying RW rat, though rats aren't that bad.....

Dr. Strange

(25,919 posts)
62. Um...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 07:09 PM
Nov 2022
like when limbaugh blew up a black woman's suit against mcdonalds for spilling their hot coffee in her lap. it became a regular on 1500 radio stations to push tort reform.


Who was that?

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,086 posts)
5. This will be an interesting lawsuit to follow
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:16 PM
Nov 2022

Please post any updates. I have not seen any mentioned of this lawsuit on the legal blogs that I follow (these blogs may have covered this case and I just missed such coverage).

yankee87

(2,166 posts)
20. Agreed
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:06 PM
Nov 2022

I hope this case goes against the oligarch, but with Qpublicans in charge, who knows? Vote Qpublican and this is what you get.

DenaliDemocrat

(1,475 posts)
40. NRA routinely supports candidates who
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:45 AM
Nov 2022

Want to sell off public lands (Lee for one).They are not pro hunter, but are often in concert with hunters on issues.

On others, they are silent.

montanacowboy

(6,081 posts)
8. And yet......
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:25 PM
Nov 2022

they continue to vote in republican legislatures who will continue to screw them over time and time again

What can you say to stupid.

Takket

(21,552 posts)
12. i would think hunters in wyoming would have no trouble winning a lawsuit.....
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:38 PM
Nov 2022

and having the rethugs on their side...........

but as the article says......

"for Republicans, if it comes to a contest between middle-class hunters and wealthy landowners … that’s not even a contest. "

and that's most likely how this will go

2naSalit

(86,515 posts)
49. They did locally...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:56 PM
Nov 2022

But rich fucks with too much money can always find a way to fuck over someone who proved them wrong.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
14. Harassing and chasing hunters with pickup trucks?
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:48 PM
Nov 2022

Sorry, but in some parts of the country, that's a good way to get your ass shot off. Just standing their ground.

rubbersole

(6,684 posts)
27. That was my first thought.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:00 PM
Nov 2022

Pissing these guys off and intentionally trying to financially ruin them is beyond risky. Go for it rich boy.

2naSalit

(86,515 posts)
50. That's how...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:58 PM
Nov 2022

A whole lot of them there good ol' boys hunt out here in these parts, especially Wyoming. They chase down their prey with motorized vehicles and then kill them.

Diamond_Dog

(31,965 posts)
15. Appalling,to say the least!
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:49 PM
Nov 2022

Please update us, if you can, babylonsister! Thank you

Disgusting oligarch scum is right.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
16. Am I the only who one who ever read about the exclusive hunting estates of the royalty and landed...
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:53 PM
Nov 2022

gentry of "jolly ole England", and likely all the old monarchal states of medieval Europe? The story never changes, does it?

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
22. These guys are not royalty; they're rich and
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:24 PM
Nov 2022

republican, seems that's all that counts for them to set a dangerous precedent.

Oneironaut

(5,491 posts)
25. They are now, unfortunately.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:40 PM
Nov 2022

In this new America, being rich means you can do anything you want without consequences.

thenelm1

(852 posts)
33. Certainly not "royalty" (though they might consider themselves of that ilk), but the...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:22 AM
Nov 2022

end result is pretty much the same is it not? ("For me and not for thee.&quot

Farmer-Rick

(10,153 posts)
51. Yeah, reading the history of feudal England
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:00 PM
Nov 2022

Is like reading how the kings and lords slowly took away the land from everyone else. So, skipping all the constant wars and religious atrocities, you can see how the kings moved the farmers to the small villages. They are beautiful picturesque towns today but they were a means of taking away common used lands from the people of England.

Some farmers stayed on the land because there were no villages nearby or they were just too far apart. But mostly the kings and lords used the enclosure act and other laws to move the British people into the villages and off the farm land so the Lords could control them. It allowed the kings to wander their lands for hunting and fishing without those pesky farmers intruding.
So now farmers have to travel to lands they didn't own to work them for the king....serfs.

Then the king says no you can't let your pigs and sheep graze on the now open fields. Only the Lord's and King's pigs and sheep can graze. Then they say no hunting animals in the woods to eat. Those are all the king's wild animals to eat. Then they tell the people you can't fish without permission of the Lord of the estate. So, make do with rats and mice. Then you can't even pick up a dead stick from off the forest grounds without the Lord's permission. Of course the sequence wasn't exactly like this in every part of feudal England but you get the gist.

No wonder feudalism fell apart......but we seem to be going back to a feudal system. Where the filthy rich dump their waste products into our air, water and land. Then they use corporations to take over every market in the country from grocery stores to restaurants to clothes and furniture. Now they are taking away our public lands for only their use to hunt and enjoy. How very feudal of them.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
18. Isn't filing a false police report a crime?
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:01 PM
Nov 2022

Certainly perpetrating a fraud on the court (the amount of damages) is perjury. Why isn't this a** being stopped in his tracks?

Lock him up!

ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
44. They Got Indicted
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:12 AM
Nov 2022

There was a trial, which from the snip was laughable.
But, since a charge was issued there was no "false" police report.
I think we'd all agree that the whole thing is preposterous but false police report doesn't apply if charges were actually filed.
Also, shame on the prosecutor for caving to pressure. This was a ridiculous waste of court resources.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
19. I wouldn't think it wise....
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:04 PM
Nov 2022

to piss of an entire state's worth of hunters, who happen to own guns. Many guns.

Some of these guys are willing to kill Democrats because they have a differing political opinion. What do you suppose they'd do to someone standing in their way of bagging a trophy elk?

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
21. The rich and filthy do not want the low life's on their property
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:17 PM
Nov 2022

I bet this creep got collected a lot of his money from corporate welfare.
The cops will do whatever the rich man says to do.

yonder

(9,663 posts)
26. Dan and Farris Wilks are doing the same in Idaho,
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:43 PM
Nov 2022

as are many other wealthy groups throughout the West. Several years ago the Texas-based, fracking-fortuned Wilks Brothers started buying privately held former range/timberland, closing off historical access to and through public land while aggressively monitoring how their holdings are approached. In some cases, they tried gating access roads and ignoring prescriptive rights-of-way only to be reversed by agencies or the courts.

Though I'm not aware of trespassing prosecutions or civil suits as severe as this Wyoming situation, a few years ago the Idaho legislature made penalties for trespassing much more severe, in some cases allowing for felony prosecution. Coincidentally or not, this legislation was introduced and passed at about the same time the "brotherhood" started buying up what they could.

I expect to see more of this.


2naSalit

(86,515 posts)
52. Fuckwad Gianforte...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:11 PM
Nov 2022

In Montana, spent years trying to keep people from gaining river access along our many world class fly-fishing rivers because he didn't want to look out his window and see poeple fishing near his property.

He lost, now river access is guaranteed. So then he started running for office and he became US House rep, now he's governor. He's been trying to change public access laws and sell off public lands and plans to continue.

So at this point, among all the claims about us having too many Senators and all that guff, I will point out that Montana was well on its way to becoming a bluish purple to mostly blue state until the last eight years. Many calls for assistance in campaigning for and electing more Democrats to the legislature and federal offices were ignored until the day before the election followed by all the wondering why it went to the crazies... along with the cries of too much representation for too few people when policy votes fail to produce the desired effect.

Flame on but we've been over here in the chasm screaming for help for a long time only to be told we don't matter. This case is evidence that chickens come home to roost.


Democracy exists everywhere in this country or it's not democracy.

yonder

(9,663 posts)
67. Chasm describes it well
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:23 PM
Nov 2022

Willfully or not and from far away, the chasm can't be seen so is generally ignored. Upon approaching however, both it's beauty and peril become evident.

Wealthy, powerful interests always seem to be at the edge, gazing and drooling into their new-found delight, calculating how they might increase that good fortune. Elsewhere, many of us are generally oblivious to the vastness of what remains unseen — public lands, our own great collective wealth. They jostle, honk, bump, just trying to live the only life they know while some of us lucky folks in the West are AT the precipice, screaming.


Quanto Magnus

(893 posts)
63. it happens everywhere
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 07:25 PM
Nov 2022

Even in the SF Bay Area. I looked at a piece of land in the East Bay Hills. It had no access to the sewer system because a jackass down the hill bought all the properties around him, then wouldn't let anyone have an easement for sewer. So... no one can build on this land (septic system is not allowed). This same person built a gate on the public road leading up to his home. I was told by the city they won't do anything about cause..... rich....


Warpy

(111,237 posts)
28. Considering all the hoops they jumped through to avoid setting foot on his
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:06 PM
Nov 2022

ridiculous land claim, it would seem pretty improbable that they'd lose this nuisance suit.

While I greatly sympathize with a lot of property owners during hunting season (there being roads I wouldn't drive down in deer season in semi rural New England), I gotta say Eshelman is being fucking ridiculous and needs to take a Valium or something. He certainly needs to lose this case since they didn't trespass and there are no laws against corner crossing.

No one should be allowed to block public land unless there's an extreme fire risk or other emergency situation.

Backseat Driver

(4,385 posts)
38. Episode Title: The Checkerboard Train Station Gambit
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:32 AM
Nov 2022

I seem to recall the body dump site was across the Montana state line w/Wyoming. That system being worked out w/the railroads to open the West long before DNA, LOL? Later with a big hole for a "station" and two no trespassing signs off a corner of the board just beyond a lonely, almost never traveled road...Hmmm...You know it's eventually going to come out. Oh, Beth!....lots and lots of

not a texan

(39 posts)
32. This could cost them their base
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:22 AM
Nov 2022

I used to hunt, still like to fish, and now take pictures. I have lived in rural Idaho, Oregon, California, and Alaska. There were many liberals like me living in those isolated areas just to have access to all the freedom of open spaces. We depended on access to BLM, Forest Service, and other public lands.

Of course, many of the people with whom I would participate in those same activities would be more of the conservative voting block, dare I say republicon base. Back when I lived there, 1979 through 2014, this base feared the libs would take away this freedom. Just like talk radio told them to. If and when the conservative republicons actually wall off access to public lands for public use, I predict this base will turn on them. I do believe there are enough voters who would make this a single issue vote to swing local seats first, soon followed by congressional ones.

I hope our open spaces continue to stay open for citizens instead of corporations, rich fucks, and assholes.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
39. MAGAs that I've encountered
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:02 AM
Nov 2022

have told me that there should be no Federal public lands except for military bases and D.C.

But they are almost always devoted hunters and fishers who use those same public lands. To say they are incapable of thinking this through even when it is explained requires no explanation. For those who think that the they would be able to access public state lands - well they aren't paying attention to how their GOP controlled state legislatures manage them.



raging moderate

(4,297 posts)
42. Could US military maybe give free helicopter rides?
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:51 AM
Nov 2022

They would, after all, be defending our free democratic republic from its domestic enemies.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
46. DEMs want to stop guns from killing kids. RETHUG Elitists block land they don't own.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:38 AM
Nov 2022

WHO IS THE REAL ENEMY of rational gun owners?

WHO should people tired of the RETHUGLICAN WAY support?

ANY ONE WHO FIGHTS FOR THEIR ACTUAL RIGHTS to be a responsible rational gun owner that doesn't plan to kill people.


WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A LAW THAT PREVENTS LAND-TRAP PURCHASING.


Wild blueberry

(6,623 posts)
48. Did not know this
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:54 PM
Nov 2022

Hope word gets out to all hunters in all states. Just disgusting.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
57. If you'll permit me to propose an alternative:
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 04:37 PM
Nov 2022

Get them on some minor traffic violation and then seize their land as part of the asset forfeiture the cops ove to inflict on impoverished non-white people.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
58. If I were the person who was in charge of EMS or the like in his area.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 05:59 PM
Nov 2022

I'd say that rich bastard had better never have an heart attack anywhere on his property. I'd claim we could not enter it.

Also, I think in a few states this is illegal and you cannot deny access to a property if your property allows access. I am not sure about all that, but I remember this coming up a few times in North Carolina and hearing about that law.

Haggis 4 Breakfast

(1,453 posts)
64. I'd like to see this spoiled little man
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:32 PM
Nov 2022

React to sudden helicopter tours of this part of Wyoming.

He does NOT own the airspace above his land.

Deep State Witch

(10,422 posts)
66. Hunting In the Royal Forest
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:55 PM
Nov 2022

I mean, are we back to Royal Forests controlled by the oligarchs? I mean, wasn't that part of what the Magna Carta was all about?

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