Make no mistake, the guilty verdicts today hurt Trump badly.

[fightforfreedom]

This is not about a fine. This is about dismantling the Trump Org piece by piece. The guilty verdicts today have opened the doors to criminal tax fraud investigations into Trump. DA Bragg now has something to work with. The IRS could now get involved. Trump could get sued by banks he conned. There is a lot we don't know yet. One thing is for sure, Trump took an ass kicking today.

AG James in her civil case is trying to take control, have oversight of the entire Trump Org. She wants to end it and I would not bet against her.

There are now 4 major criminal investigations into Trump and one civil case. The investigations are not taking too long. Trump is not getting away with everything.

By the way, what Jack Smith did today was an expansion of what Garland had already done in the past. Garland has been investigating certain States, individuals and asking for their records. Garland was not doing nothing like some people falsely claim.

[mobeau69]

1. Is it correct to conclude that subpoenas like Jack issued had not been issued previously?

[fightforfreedom]

3. I believe subpoenas had been issued already. Smith has expanded it in a major way.

Garland has been investigating the fake electors for at least a year.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

9. I think Garland was investigating the perpetrators

It sounds like Smith's subpoenas are to the county workers who didn't comply with Trump et al's requests for fake electors - presumably to see who requested what from them.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

2. I am highly persuadable to the argument that today's verdict opens a door to

even greater legal perils for Donald J Trump and the Trump Org. That sounds reasonable and promising. With you on that.

Still, for the massive level of grifting that was proven by the guilty-on-all-counts verdict, in a scheme that went on for 15 years, a fine of only $1.6 million seem like a slap in the people's face.

[fightforfreedom]

6. I agree, but I guess that's how the law is written.

Congress is the one to blame I suppose. they make the laws.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

8. I believe this was a New York State law/trial, but I take your point.

Perhaps it is time overdue for revisiting the penalties in so-called "white collar crime" cases, as there seems like there is clear inequity of justice here.

I'm happy for the conviction and don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but $1.6 million after all that grifting over all that time? Hard to accept.

[LiberalFighter]

20. Maybe just a slap. But....

Consider that if any individuals received benefits that were taxable but not reported there could be heavy fines and maybe prison time.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

22. That's a good point.

[lindysalsagal]

4. If nothing else, at some point, tfg becomes so toxic, no one will touch him with a 10 foot pole.

And hopefully, he'll run out of lawyers and the money to pay them, if he's not already there.

We're punching the monster down, and the grown-ups are re-setting the world to normal. It's a relief. And it's not reverseable.

[bluestarone]

5. Well for the FIRST time i see

CRACKS in his Armor.HIS Downfall is beginning!

[GenXer47]

7. maybe the stress will kill him

I have no problem saying that.

[Chainfire]

11. Trump is one of those evil bastards that will probably live to 100.

We have one in our community. 96 years old, with no signs of humanity, and no redeeming qualities, he is still making new people hate him every day. It can only be explained by a pact with the devil.

[rubbersole]

17. Keeping him going because the devil doesn't want him stinkin' up Hell.

[SoCalDavidS]

10. Yawn

Teflon

[fightforfreedom]

12. Guilty, 17 times!

[SoCalDavidS]

13. The Corporation Was Guilty 17 Times

His direct criminal exposure from this specific case and trial, is Zero.

Even the fine I heard mentioned several times on MSNBC today is a joke.

I'll save my cheering for when HE gets criminally indicted.

[fightforfreedom]

23. Trump is the corporation. Evidence was presented at the trial that Trump was aware of the fraud.

I know you believe Trump will never be indicted. it' s all you talk about even when there is good news. I have a feeling if Trump is indicted you will then move on to saying Trump will never be convicted.

[SoCalDavidS]

24. You Are Wrong

I will admit how completely wrong I was, if he is criminally indicted for a fraction of his crimes.

If he is, I still don't believe he will ever spend a day in prison. He might get convicted, or make some sort of deal, but the fantasies I hear about how he is going to jail, I find hard to believe.

For me, if he merely gets indicted, that would be a huge victory for the Rule Of Law. I can't say what a jury will do in the end, but the mere fact that the Justice system made the attempt to hold him accountable, would make me extremely happy, and at least a little satisfied.

He has committed so many crimes during his miserable life, and nobody has even attempted to show him that he's not above the law. So in my opinion, the mere fact he's never had it happen to himself before, would be HUGE.

[iluvtennis]

14. Several talking heads on Nicole Wallace show on Tuesday reported the same as you @fight4freedom.

Fingers crossed you all are right as that $1.5 million potential fine was leaving a bitter taste in my mouth.

[LudwigPastorius]

15. "DA Bragg now has something to work with."

He still has to prove that Trump was ass-deep in the fraud. If none of Trump's capos are willing to testify against him, I don't know how this verdict helps the New York DA.

Guilt by association doesn't really fly in the courtroom.

[mnmoderatedem]

16. it hurts his brand name

and as a business entity, all trump has been, and all he ever will be, is a brand name. He has no business acumen and everyone knows it. He's bankrupted casinos fer crissake.

[WestMichRad]

18. And now we know that TFG is definitively...

… the head of a criminal organization.

[republianmushroom]

19. good

[Ford_Prefect]

21. I can't wait to see the links between DJT enterprises and Putin et al LLC.

Or the ones leading to Qatar, the Emirates, and other points east...

[JuJuChen]

25. years of "Trump is hurt" and still a nothing burger

[marble falls]

26. Florida Man's first reaction the jury verdict in NYC ...

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