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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Dec 29, 2022, 11:48 PM Dec 2022

Yeah, I know---this will piss off and disgust some here, but some will agree.

I am weary of reading about how the threat of violence by the MAGA/Tea Party/Proud Boys/Oath Keepers/Q-anon Rambo-wannabes should be taken into consideration when decisions about who should be prosecuted are being made.

As clearly as I can say it: if these skulking masked cowardly thugs are all it takes to intimidate "the system" and let smirking traitors go unpunished, this democracy will not deserve to survive.

I do not believe there will be anything approaching the "civil war" that some predict if we "dare" indict and prosecute Trump. If some of the deranged Trumpies are stupid enough to start playing soldier in an effort to keep "their president" out of prison, the survivors will be promptly arrested and, in due course, prosecuted.

And, these miscreants should not buy into the ignorant assumptions that we "liberal snowflakes" are all unarmed pushovers. Not wanting to hurt people is not the same as "won't fight back".

So, let's "hew to the line and let the chips fall where they may". And, if that pisses off the camo cavalry---we'll deal with it..

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Yeah, I know---this will piss off and disgust some here, but some will agree. (Original Post) Atticus Dec 2022 OP
Thank you, Atticus. I agree 100% with your post. debm55 Dec 2022 #1
+1 ret5hd Dec 2022 #2
👆👆👆What he said RainCaster Dec 2022 #3
I agree...bring them on. If we don't hold that fucker accountable.... Lochloosa Dec 2022 #4
'Ya know, if there IS a problem with some people...... MyOwnPeace Dec 2022 #5
Fuckemall. lpbk2713 Dec 2022 #6
I agree. I wonder if any of these weekend warriors are paying attention Deuxcents Dec 2022 #7
I am right there with you, my dear Atticus! Let the chips fall where they may... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2022 #8
Well said and I agree for the most part nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #9
We'll said, my son. Glamrock Dec 2022 #10
The harder we spank them d_r Dec 2022 #11
We don't negotiate with terrorists n/t cactusfractal Dec 2022 #12
damn straight - softness will not solve this shit, but justice can if allowed to... bringthePaine Dec 2022 #13
with ya...fuck 'em.... bahboo Dec 2022 #14
America 2022 is not America 1861 Kennah Dec 2022 #15
I'm in your foxhole! BaronChocula Dec 2022 #16
100 percent agree Atticus Traildogbob Dec 2022 #17
Your strategy is the ONLY one that will work.. Permanut Dec 2022 #18
Agree 100%. hadEnuf Dec 2022 #19
K&R Blue Owl Dec 2022 #20
If they are prone to violence it will not matter either way, they will do what they do. Bev54 Dec 2022 #21
Right On marieo1 Dec 2022 #22
I absolutely agree. 💯 I can't imagine that LE is afraid of them. FlyingPiggy Dec 2022 #23
I agree 100%. Fuck them and their threats. SYFROYH Dec 2022 #24
Who exactly do you think this will piss off? Seems like pretty much the consensus here. Gaugamela Dec 2022 #25
Oh hell yes kimbutgar Dec 2022 #26
I agree with all the other posts agreeing with the OP! ShazzieB Dec 2022 #27
Absolutely! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #28
I agree! I've thought for a long time that the 'Q' is a CLUB that is fun for a few crazies but TeamProg Dec 2022 #29
They'll disappear like a miracle! czarjak Dec 2022 #30
I'm old enough they can go ahead and shoot, something's gonna kill me Warpy Dec 2022 #31
I'll tell you how I know... lambchopp59 Dec 2022 #54
Yeah, and you didn't even jam it into side of the gurney to put a little burr on it Warpy Dec 2022 #71
Q is a Russian psy-ops programed designed The Wizard Dec 2022 #65
It was started years ago by a fucker in South Africa Warpy Dec 2022 #72
I've been saying the same thing for quite a while. AverageOldGuy Dec 2022 #32
We should prosecute regardless of threats. wnylib Dec 2022 #33
Well said, Atticus, well said. I'd like to also mention that all we hear about is the anger on SWBTATTReg Dec 2022 #34
110% agree... MiHale Dec 2022 #35
Time for the courage to attack bullies and criminals who endanger our country and the world. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #36
Bravo! Karma13612 Dec 2022 #37
Agree 100% CaptainTruth Dec 2022 #38
I say, bring it. yardwork Dec 2022 #39
The right wing "revolution" over Piss Wig's indictment is another myth. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 2022 #40
You are correct and I do agree with you. Now we need the govt. to agree. republianmushroom Dec 2022 #41
I agree. Mainly, the like their trucks, home and families too much to really do anything Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #42
Hear, hear. n/t malthaussen Dec 2022 #43
if they want to implicitly threaten society with guns, we have to call their bluff paulkienitz Dec 2022 #44
I completely agree. Civil war? Against who? nolabear Dec 2022 #45
Butt...butt...butt... ANTEEFUH lambchopp59 Dec 2022 #55
Trying to give their sad lives meaning. nolabear Dec 2022 #66
agree Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #46
Agree, but I don't think fear of triggering more DVE is or has been Hortensis Dec 2022 #47
Lindsey Graham is just one who has threatened "riots in the streets" if Trump Atticus Dec 2022 #49
And yours, Atticus! J6 was the most important, but not only, failed trial Hortensis Dec 2022 #53
Right With You ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #48
You neither pissed off nor disgusted anyone--everyone here, myself included, agree with you. panader0 Dec 2022 #50
Totally agree. Consider Putin nuking Ukraine. Ukraine would vaporize, but so would housecat Dec 2022 #51
Armed liberal SMoss Dec 2022 #52
Some will certainly agree Beastly Boy Dec 2022 #56
I entirely agree. Martin68 Dec 2022 #57
I agree 100﹪with Atticus grandpamike1 Dec 2022 #58
As a veteran, I have not forgotten my oath when I signed up Wonder Why Dec 2022 #59
I think this is silly... WarGamer Dec 2022 #60
Well, I guess that settles it. "It's never happened before, so-------" nt Atticus Dec 2022 #61
I refuse to live in fear... WarGamer Dec 2022 #62
Good for you. nt Atticus Dec 2022 #63
I agree completely Bettie Dec 2022 #64
Highly recommend: onecaliberal Dec 2022 #67
K&R Emile Dec 2022 #68
Amen Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #69
I agree. We'll deal with the camo cavalry because we already ARE dealing. It's having ripple effects ancianita Dec 2022 #70
K & R... I agree completely! Stuart G Dec 2022 #73
I absolutely agree... Trueblue Texan Dec 2022 #74
100% agree AltairIV Dec 2022 #75
the "strategy" of "LOOK FORWARD, NOT BACK" has failed the country, for several decades now. Grasswire2 Dec 2022 #76
+1! peppertree Dec 2022 #77
I strongly agree and even if ... jimlup Dec 2022 #78
There is no reason to fear these militia wanna-bes. TomSlick Dec 2022 #79
There aren't a lot of people willing to take the consequences for defending a pathological liar. lees1975 Dec 2022 #80
if you don't stand up to terrorists, it won't stop them from attacking Takket Dec 2022 #81
Why would prosecutors do that? Why would "the system" be intimidated? betsuni Dec 2022 #82
Without FEAR or FAVOR JMCKUSICK Dec 2022 #83

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
5. 'Ya know, if there IS a problem with some people......
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:04 AM
Dec 2022

disagreeing with what the law and voting public have decided and agreed upon, maybe we could actually have an active security force that would be in place BEFORE any problem arose - should somebody see a potential problem (yeah, wouldn't THAT be different!).

And besides, I don't believe we have anybody in any position of authority that would actually fail to 'do whatever would be necessary' to maintain peace and civility. That is to say, there are now people in position to actually uphold the oath that they took when sworn into office.

Deuxcents

(16,160 posts)
7. I agree. I wonder if any of these weekend warriors are paying attention
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:06 AM
Dec 2022

To their buddies who are in jail or going to jail for their last adventure and does it make any difference with their bravado now

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,571 posts)
8. I am right there with you, my dear Atticus! Let the chips fall where they may...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:10 AM
Dec 2022

We can, and we will, handle whatever happens.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
9. Well said and I agree for the most part
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:10 AM
Dec 2022

I will say I do not fear a civil war breaking out and I am hoping Trump and company get what they deserve. But do consider this please:

Attacks on Pacific north-west power stations raise fears for US electric grid
Series of attacks come after assault on North Carolina facilities cut electricity to 40,000

snip

As first reported by Oregon Public Broadcasting and KUOW Public Radio, there have been at least six attacks, some of which involved firearms and caused residents to lose power. Two of the attacks shared similarities with the incident in Moore county, North Carolina, where two stations were hit by gunfire. Authorities have not yet revealed a motive for the North Carolina attack.

Link - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/09/us-power-grid-pacific-northwest-attacks
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
While authorities do not know who or why these occurred, it raises the question were any Trumpers involved. Food for thought.

Kennah

(14,248 posts)
15. America 2022 is not America 1861
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:31 AM
Dec 2022

In 1861, the South was united in it's support of slavery. The state's rights argument for the US Civil War fails to address that the right the Southern state's wanted was that of slavery.

Yes, the South was also upset about taxes, but I don't see taxes cited in the Confederate Constitution whereas slavery is. Also, the KKK formed in the aftermath of the Civil War, and I don't know of any anti-tax organizations formed circa 1871 [when the Klan was formed].

I don't see any uniting issue in the GOP today. Trump? MAGA? Stop The Steal? Immigrants? Owning the libs? They are fractured and we're watching the Grand Old Party, the Party of Lincoln, the Party that once stood itself fractured over how to address slavery yet stood together to fight and end it, is a mess. Yes, thousands came to D.C. to Stop The Steal, but it was only the dumbest of the dumb and their "tactics" showed them to be overall very inept. Yes, there were those who brought weapons, and a person of interest remains at large for bring pipe bombs to D.C.

So we need to

Traildogbob

(8,709 posts)
17. 100 percent agree Atticus
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:32 AM
Dec 2022

So damn sick of threats from these assholes. We need the Ukraine level “Hell No” to save our freedom and democracy. Put the damn zombies down.

Permanut

(5,597 posts)
18. Your strategy is the ONLY one that will work..
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:37 AM
Dec 2022

they will keep pushing and threatening and intimidating until they are stopped.

hadEnuf

(2,185 posts)
19. Agree 100%.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:38 AM
Dec 2022

If they know that they will be greeted by a solid force, they will scatter like the cowardly vermin they are. It's how terrorists act.

FlyingPiggy

(3,383 posts)
23. I absolutely agree. 💯 I can't imagine that LE is afraid of them.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:53 AM
Dec 2022

I think we have compromised LE that are trying to walk both sides of the fence. The problem is: we have compromised LE.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
25. Who exactly do you think this will piss off? Seems like pretty much the consensus here.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 12:56 AM
Dec 2022

I don’t disagree with the strategy, but it’s best not to get emotional about it. Clouds the mind. Revenge is a delicacy best served cold.

ShazzieB

(16,355 posts)
27. I agree with all the other posts agreeing with the OP!
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:02 AM
Dec 2022

I can't think of a thing to add, as it's all been said.

TeamProg

(6,101 posts)
29. I agree! I've thought for a long time that the 'Q' is a CLUB that is fun for a few crazies but
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:22 AM
Dec 2022

when the club DUES ($$) come around NO ONE WILL COUGH UP THE DOUGH!

Warpy

(111,233 posts)
31. I'm old enough they can go ahead and shoot, something's gonna kill me
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 01:49 AM
Dec 2022

and I've stood my ground (unarmed) against bikers, so I doubt the Beer Gut Brigades would be that much more of a challenge.

These guys are being led around by Russian trolls. That's why they think they're so hot to kill the rest of us.

Most of them are probably the kind who will pass out at the sight of blood. Don't ask me how I know.

In any case, the war they start will be a short one. There won't be much left of them. They'll never see it coming.

Oh, and they can keep calling us snowflakes. Know what you get when enough snowflakes get together?

An avalanche.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
54. I'll tell you how I know...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:40 PM
Dec 2022

A previous, fairly extensive gig a few years ago included inserting 18G I.V.'s for contrast infusion. Averaged 2 per week were MAGA hatted local biker gang dipshits. (Don't misread me here, I rode cycles up to about a decade ago, just never played that gang shit) Covered head to toe in tattoo's.
But whine and cry like big spoiled babies when it's time to stick. Damn near every one.

Warpy

(111,233 posts)
71. Yeah, and you didn't even jam it into side of the gurney to put a little burr on it
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 07:57 PM
Dec 2022

but I'll bet you thought about it. I always did. A good fantasy life is essential in health care.

I think some screaming might have been involved when my broken hip was xrayed. Other than that, I tend to be stoic.

But if I had a dime for every swaggering macho asshole who passed out at the sight of a needle....

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
65. Q is a Russian psy-ops programed designed
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 06:21 PM
Dec 2022

to undermine the United Stated through misinformation, AKA propaganda.

Warpy

(111,233 posts)
72. It was started years ago by a fucker in South Africa
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 08:01 PM
Dec 2022

who was in it for the lulz and wanted to see the world burn. He claims to have had nothing to do with it since 2017 or so. What they've done since then is pretty sophisticated and incredibly dangerous.

I hope the FBI is working overtime on it. It needs to be completely exposed for what it is.

AverageOldGuy

(1,521 posts)
32. I've been saying the same thing for quite a while.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:05 AM
Dec 2022

I am retired in a rural, red VA county that votes Republican from 65-35 to 70-30. One local guy rented a 40-passenger luxury coach to take himself and his friends to the Jan 6 rally -- tickets sold out, he had to lay on a second bus. Yard signs for Democratic candidates -- national, state, or local -- are habitually stolen defaced, or shot full of holes. Bumper stickers that identify you as a Democrat will get you tailgated; pass you, whip in front of you and slam on their brakes; confronted in the grocery store parking lot.. I've identified eight Proud Boys, III percenters, and Oath Keepers from their trucks (black, jacked up, loud exhaust, lots of decals on rear window), their open carry pistols, and their dress.

Because of the Democratic bumper stickers on my truck, I had pistol pointed at me one time -- at the local dump -- guy pulled a pistol, shouted "All you %$#^&&% Democrats should be shot." -- I responded by pulling my pistol, told him if he pointed a firearm at me, I would kill him on the spot. That was during the 2016 campaign. None of these assholes bother me; sheriff told me the word got around to not fuck with the old guy in the old Ford truck -- the one with the Vietnam Vet, Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces decals. I carry a pistol in all of my vehicles; my daily driver old f-250 has pistol, AR-15, and shotgun, unloaded but lots of loaded magazines and ammo at hand.

Several of my old retired Democrat friends are as heavily armed as I am, including several of the democratic ladies.

We Democrats are too damn nice.

wnylib

(21,420 posts)
33. We should prosecute regardless of threats.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:21 AM
Dec 2022

If we give in to threats, MAGAs will use them to terrorize the rest of us.

But it's also wise to be prepared for violence as a reaction to the indictments.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
34. Well said, Atticus, well said. I'd like to also mention that all we hear about is the anger on
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:34 AM
Dec 2022

their side, but I'd like to remark that the anger on our side is there too, if anything, it's a low, shimmering, ready to explode anger if we're provoked enough. We've have heard enough of these tRUMP nuts and freaks freaking out from day 1, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of it, tired of hearing about it constantly, and the endless whining. And from what I've seen, most of them on the tRUMP side are cowards anyway.

You're absolutely right, in stating that 'Not wanting to hurt people is not the same as "won't fight back". Right is might, in my book. When you are right, and we are, by following our Constitution and upholding the laws of the land as so many do, those that think shredding the Constitution and doing away with all of its amendments and protections, have another thing coming.

Be well.

Irish_Dem

(46,876 posts)
36. Time for the courage to attack bullies and criminals who endanger our country and the world.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:28 AM
Dec 2022

All of this tip toeing and appeasement is only emboldening dangerous criminals.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,490 posts)
40. The right wing "revolution" over Piss Wig's indictment is another myth.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:51 AM
Dec 2022

No one is going to take to the streets for that asshole. Where most of these knuckleheads come from, there are no streets to take. They’re not going to March into the cities and riot, they’re not going to burn down their own nursing homes. Outside of some isolated terrorist incidents, which are already happening anyway, no one is going to do anything except whine on Truth, Facebook and Twitter and annoy their sane family members.

These people aren’t to be feared. They’re to be pitied, if you can still muster some up.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
42. I agree. Mainly, the like their trucks, home and families too much to really do anything
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:28 PM
Dec 2022

They would lose it all. And they know that. Just like everyone else, they take prescription nedication and battle health issues. They would rather threaten than take any real action.

We'll have a few fringe groups that will do something stupid. But they were going to do something stupid regardless.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
44. if they want to implicitly threaten society with guns, we have to call their bluff
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:39 PM
Dec 2022

and if some blood gets spilled, they might learn something.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
45. I completely agree. Civil war? Against who?
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

That whole idea is flawed. It’s not as though there’s an easily identified librul enclave to attack and defend against. We’re the majority, we look just like them, and we’re everywhere. Attack liberal institutions like some universities or DNCC headquarters? Enjoy prison. And if that damned pandemic taught us anything it taught us we can work together without being in the same place. Attack government institutions? That’s not civil war, buddy, that’s a coup. Attack cities? Hello National Guard.

It’s a stupid claim and though I’m all for being humane and discursive and listening to those who disagree, we’ve got institutions for that. I personally don’t have to listen to anybody. So go on, you keyboard warriors. Fuck around and find out.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
55. Butt...butt...butt... ANTEEFUH
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:50 PM
Dec 2022

When dey come to take our guns!!!
We've been waiting for over 50 years for this!!
Duh. Yup.
It's gonna happun. Fox News said.

(I'm actually not kidding here. During TFG's reign of idiocy, I was contracted in Calaveras county. The local paper's front page story was on a meeting of local law enforcement with a local militia planning their response.)

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry in disbelief.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
66. Trying to give their sad lives meaning.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 06:23 PM
Dec 2022

Gotta hand it to them. They provide their own bread (sometimes) and circuses.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Agree, but I don't think fear of triggering more DVE is or has been
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 02:48 PM
Dec 2022

applied as a reason for not prosecuting.

More of a worst-case possibility that must be considered by those who study and apply these things.

And that gives the 24/7/365 pundit brigades something to grab attention with when it's slipping. As always, no one's forcing us to watch or listen to them earn their living.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
49. Lindsey Graham is just one who has threatened "riots in the streets" if Trump
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 03:43 PM
Dec 2022

is indicted. I agree that no decision-maker has voiced this concern, but a quick Google will turn up plenty of "discussion".

Thanks for your response. Your posts are always worth reading.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. And yours, Atticus! J6 was the most important, but not only, failed trial
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:25 PM
Dec 2022

of these threats. Big surprise with, MAGAs, the most prone to endorsing violence, only about 15% of politically engaged Americans.

Bloviation v appalled rejection in RW armchairs" more like.

Graham's such an ass.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
48. Right With You
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 03:09 PM
Dec 2022

First, I believe most of the concern is exaggerated.
Second, for those most radical among them, it won't be as easy as they think.

housecat

(3,121 posts)
51. Totally agree. Consider Putin nuking Ukraine. Ukraine would vaporize, but so would
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 03:58 PM
Dec 2022

Putin, his thugs, his brainwashed population, his oligarchs not-yet-pushed-out-of-windows, the terror he so enjoys inflicting -- and half of Europe. If we - United States and Ukraine -- worry only about a sick terrorist's lies, and if we tiptoe around Russia's hallucinations and red lines, Ukraine will weaken and fall. And if Ukraine loses, we all lose. But iff Ukraine ups the ante, I believe Putin can no longer play.

So tip-toing around Trump and philosophizing over indictments, is not unlike cowering to Putin and his insane and hopefully impotant posturing. Trump tries to emulate Putin's destructive proclivities, so we must resist any temptation to let him go free for ANY reason. If we indict him and put him behind bars, it will be in a straight jacket, and we will have a better chance dealing with his die-hard worshippers. It's been said that Russia's pre-Ukraine-war had an economy the size of California. Now it is being decimated, and now is our chance to win.

Similarly, if we Democrats cower at threats made by sociopathic liars, we have already lost. If Democrats see our domestic fascists for the unprepared unimaginative cowards they are, they can easily be defeated and deflated. Domestic terrorism has no centralized command or resources to match even a tiny portion of America's potential power. Even magats embedded in the military, law enforcement, Congress, politics, and churches will be relatively powerless -- unless we fail to dig them out. We must find and USE the antidote for the poison in our democracy.

(Atticus, if I've echoed your words, I can only say that "we all stand on the shoulders of giants.&quot

SMoss

(112 posts)
52. Armed liberal
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022

We liberals are not intimidated by gun talk. Some of us have guns and awards for marksmanship. The last deer I shot was 285 yards away.

Beastly Boy

(9,290 posts)
56. Some will certainly agree
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 04:55 PM
Dec 2022

It all depends on who defines "these skulking cowardly thugs". If it is Trump describing his liberal detractors, for instance, there is a whole army of skulking masked cowardly thugs who will happily agree to it.

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
58. I agree 100﹪with Atticus
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 05:03 PM
Dec 2022

And, if it takes "Lethal Prosecution" I am all for that as well. Tired of The Tail Wagging the Dog, insurrectionists that are trying to destroy MY Country, and as EX Military, I would take up arms against these folks. We have done it in the past, and we can do it again, NOW.

Wonder Why

(3,175 posts)
59. As a veteran, I have not forgotten my oath when I signed up
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 05:42 PM
Dec 2022

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and I am not afraid of those cowards.

WarGamer

(12,426 posts)
60. I think this is silly...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 05:45 PM
Dec 2022

RWNJ criminals have been prosecuted for decades and I can't recall a single solitary "vengeance" crime involved.

People who talk nonstop about "fear of reprisals" are looking for attention or clicks.

WarGamer

(12,426 posts)
62. I refuse to live in fear...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 05:56 PM
Dec 2022

That 2 years after J6... some deranged RWNJ is going to SNAP and target people or gov't for prosecuting the clowns of J6.

That's stuff of fiction.

99.999% of these people are cowards and wouldn't even think of actual violence.

ancianita

(36,017 posts)
70. I agree. We'll deal with the camo cavalry because we already ARE dealing. It's having ripple effects
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 07:48 PM
Dec 2022

358 sentenced insurrectionists, 553 convicted insurrectionists -- all those 911 criminals have families and communities who are, like it or not, learning that they can send their cavalry to fight the Law, and the Law WON. Their delusional maps of their world are getting revised toward reality, whether they like that or not.

1,337 more indicted and charged individuals, their families and communities across all fifty states, are getting 'due processed' toward the same realizations.

At the lower end, the Dept of Justice shows the scale of justice has stopped them and their networks who are violently inclined. They're grumbling on the nets, and they know they're being monitored. They also know, deep down, that the majority of Americans ain't havin' it.

Fights like theirs aren't fights they win, they're fights they have just wanted to fight.
So fuck all the 'liberal snowflake' delusions they hold dear.
How I think the chips will fall: They know their asses are gonna get beat. Because Jack Smith ain't havin' it, either.


Trueblue Texan

(2,424 posts)
74. I absolutely agree...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 08:10 PM
Dec 2022

...and if our nation cannot handle prosecuting the thugs who tried to overturn our government--and I mean ALL of them--then we have already lost democracy.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
76. the "strategy" of "LOOK FORWARD, NOT BACK" has failed the country, for several decades now.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 08:35 PM
Dec 2022

Too many times, Republicans have not been held to account for their CRIMES.

They will not stop until they are made to feel significant pain.

It's getting a little late to clean up this mess. Especially with a mild-mannered judge in the role of Attorney General.

peppertree

(21,620 posts)
77. +1!
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:31 PM
Dec 2022

Those very words - “look forward, not back” - ring of nothing but a PR push by the guilty themselves.

They're nothing less than a call for impunity - not matter what the crime.

Not surprisingly, many a Nazi and Latin dictatorship thug has used that very language over the years - and for good reason.

It sounds so darn “conciliatory” - even while the guilty plot their revenge for being “inconvenienced.”

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
78. I strongly agree and even if ...
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 10:48 PM
Dec 2022

there are a large number of frothing at the mouth fools - they would deserve whatever happens to their foolish selves for starting a such civil war.

Look at the conviction of those who tried to kidnap my Governor. Let's fill the jails with them if we must.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
79. There is no reason to fear these militia wanna-bes.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 10:51 PM
Dec 2022

If they want to take on the US military, they should go for it.

I don't own an assault weapon but I have 28 years of Army training on how to use one. I have a shotgun and my grandfather's .22 pistol to report for duty. If the shooting starts, there will be plenty of appropriate weapons lying around.

lees1975

(3,845 posts)
80. There aren't a lot of people willing to take the consequences for defending a pathological liar.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:10 PM
Dec 2022

Lots of bravado, but when it comes down to it, the only people who think Trump is worth fighting over and possibly either dying or going to prison to defend, are nut jobs themselves. We saw their work on January 6th and a lot of them are in prison now, or unemployed.

We need to prosecute these unpatriotic, un-American traitors to the full extent of the law, and stop with the leniency. They're lawbreakers and we are a nation of laws. Break the law, you get a fair trial and if convicted, you serve the time.

Examples should have been made of these thugs on January 6th. I'm afraid we didn't do enough.

Takket

(21,552 posts)
81. if you don't stand up to terrorists, it won't stop them from attacking
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:23 PM
Dec 2022

honestly i wouldn't mind seeing some of these groups drawn out so they can be arrested and broken. no, i'm not rooting for violence, i don't want anyone hurt... but these maniacs are going to attack one way or another so better to have them do it in a hasty haphazard fashion when drumpf gets arrested then having them organizing, planning and amassing like they did on Jan 6.

so, by all means, piss them off. we can't keep them happy AND have a functioning democracy. you can only pick one

betsuni

(25,449 posts)
82. Why would prosecutors do that? Why would "the system" be intimidated?
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:24 PM
Dec 2022

I don't get it. If Trump is prosecuted, his supporters will either go on to the next thing or keep enjoying being outraged by conspiracy theories online. Of course a few nuts might be violent.

The J6 nuts were economically well-off, as well as his supporters in general. They're not giving up their businesses and nice comfy life (no matter how they cry and moan about being victims of this or that) for Trump. The rest of them saw how J6 went. There's no nut army threatening "the system."

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