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H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 08:42 PM Dec 2022

Please Help!

I have a huge favor to ask of the DU community. It involves the case of a sexual sadist who raped and murdered a 12-year old girl on her newspaper route. This took place on March 26, 1984, and this is the third time that the guy is coming up for parole. See link below:
https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/public-safety/2021/01/13/binghamton-cheri-lindsey-murder-parole-james-wales/6639751002/

I am interested in this case for three reasons. The first is that when someone commits a violent crime this offensive, they should not be released from prison. The second is that Cheri's father, a law enforcement officer, was friends with two of my uncles who were BCI Senior Investigators, and I have become acquainted with him since his daughter's death.

The third reason is that, while working at the mental health clinic, one of the people I served was one of Wales' ex-wives. So I know about his history of sexually torturing defenseless victims. Indeed, crimes like this one don't just happen -- there is a history that leads up to it, including where the offender was never caught, charged, and convicted. Wales has destroyed the lives of many people, well beyond murdering Cheri.

Below is a message from her father:
ATTENTION ATTENTION
Here we go again.. New York State convicted murderer and child rapist James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060 is once again up for parole. He is the guy that murdered and raped our 12 yr old daughter. he doesnt deserve freedom. please send E mails opposing his release to melissa.celeone@doccs.ny.gov Include his full name and DIN on all emails need all the help I can get THANK YOU PLEASE SHARE

I appreciate anyone/everyone who participates in this.
H2O Man

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Please Help! (Original Post) H2O Man Dec 2022 OP
Bookmarked and I'll take care of this in the AM. Lochloosa Dec 2022 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #4
Me too. hlthe2b Dec 2022 #14
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #44
Same here. EOM Scottie Mom Dec 2022 #45
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #58
Done. calimary Dec 2022 #130
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Dec 2022 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #5
Kick dalton99a Dec 2022 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #6
K&R Sedona Dec 2022 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #8
I remember this. LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #9
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #10
Thank you, my dear H20 Man, for alerting us to this awful situation. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2022 #11
Thanks, Peggy! H2O Man Dec 2022 #24
I will be happy to send an email. If it was my child....... flying_wahini Dec 2022 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #26
Done. panader0 Dec 2022 #13
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #27
Done - concise and to the point NBachers Dec 2022 #15
Perfect! H2O Man Dec 2022 #28
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Dec 2022 #16
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #29
Yw! Ty for posting about this! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #82
I appreciate it! H2O Man Dec 2022 #111
Will do tomorrow. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2022 #17
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #30
We can also sign the petition at Change-dot-org FakeNoose Dec 2022 #18
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #31
Signed & Godspeed Hekate Dec 2022 #118
I just sent my request to not ever let this son of a bitch out of prison. a kennedy Dec 2022 #19
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #32
KNR and bookmarking for tomorrow. niyad Dec 2022 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #33
I'll spread this far & wide. CaptainTruth Dec 2022 #21
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #34
Done. Hope it helps. Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #22
It helps! H2O Man Dec 2022 #36
a kick and a rec mercuryblues Dec 2022 #23
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #38
Done Duncanpup Dec 2022 #25
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #39
Done lambchopp59 Dec 2022 #35
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #40
kick (bookmarked) BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #37
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #42
Done! babydollhead Dec 2022 #41
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #43
K&R Jarqui Dec 2022 #46
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #47
KnR Hekate Dec 2022 #48
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #53
Sent email & signed petition area51 Dec 2022 #49
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #54
Will do Danmel Dec 2022 #50
Thanks, Danmel! H2O Man Dec 2022 #55
I just sent an email. denvine Dec 2022 #51
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #56
Doing that now nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #52
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #57
K&R burrowowl Dec 2022 #59
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #61
No, and your request is offensive. Jirel Dec 2022 #60
Ha! H2O Man Dec 2022 #62
I agree with Jirel if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #69
Please start your own thread on this subject. I look forward to it, most sincerely. Hekate Dec 2022 #121
Yes, there are people who must never be released Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #72
Sarcasm? Really? if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #74
Snap out of it Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #92
If a person H2O Man Dec 2022 #94
No if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #114
I repeat my question if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #98
There are human monsters ismnotwasm Dec 2022 #101
And my question is if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #115
Like I said, snap out of it Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #104
Although I have zero H2O Man Dec 2022 #108
I trust your education Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #112
I am making no argument if..fish..had..wings Dec 2022 #116
I don't give a flying fuck what you are doing Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #127
Interesting if..fish..had..wings Jan 2023 #131
He wants to keep a rapist and murderer of a 12 year old in jail Saoirse9 Dec 2022 #97
I'm hoping H2O Man Dec 2022 #105
Please start your own thread on this subject. I look forward to it, most sincerely Hekate Dec 2022 #120
Will do in the AM. PCIntern Dec 2022 #63
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #65
Done. spanone Dec 2022 #64
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #67
re: taking into account incidents "where the offender was never caught, charged, and convicted" thesquanderer Dec 2022 #66
That's fine. H2O Man Dec 2022 #68
I'm talking about the bigger picture, not an individual. thesquanderer Dec 2022 #70
Okay. H2O Man Dec 2022 #73
re: "Do you think there is ANY chance that this was Wales first offense?" thesquanderer Dec 2022 #80
There are H2O Man Dec 2022 #81
I just an email. Kittycatkat Dec 2022 #71
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #76
Email sent! summer_in_TX Dec 2022 #75
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #77
Done... Ohio Joe Dec 2022 #78
Thanks, Joe! H2O Man Dec 2022 #79
signed and shared on facebook and twitter Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #83
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #87
Sending an email to help is a real easy thing to do. KS Toronado Dec 2022 #84
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #88
What a horror Easterncedar Dec 2022 #85
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #89
Done. Also signed and donated a few $ to the change.org I found in the article. MLAA Dec 2022 #86
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #90
I remember when this happened. whyzayker Dec 2022 #91
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #93
Thank you for caring MagickMuffin Dec 2022 #95
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #96
I will do this today ismnotwasm Dec 2022 #99
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #102
Thanks for presenting this. The Jungle 1 Dec 2022 #100
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #103
Done. Wild blueberry Dec 2022 #106
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #109
Done Historic NY Dec 2022 #107
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #110
Signed and donated for the petition. sellitman Dec 2022 #113
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #122
Done. And kicked. CoopersDad Dec 2022 #117
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2022 #123
I just got an email reply from Melissa Celeone CoopersDad Jan 2023 #132
Happy New Year! H2O Man Jan 2023 #133
Just sent to Ms Celeone, and Godspeed. The hijack-subthread here made me ill... Hekate Dec 2022 #119
Thank you -- as always! H2O Man Dec 2022 #124
When I saw your name and "Help" in the title my first thought was Maru Kitteh Dec 2022 #125
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #126
done. nt Baltimike Dec 2022 #128
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2022 #129
I got a response to my email to Ms. Melissa Celeone about this matter. She said "Thank you." CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2023 #134
That is so sad for Cheri & her parents. I always thought that once a family member attended akbacchus_BC Jan 2023 #135
Someone from the Manson Family is still behind bars. Every so often there's a parole hearing... Hekate Jan 2023 #137
To my surprise I got a reply-email tonight. Someone is counting ... Hekate Jan 2023 #136
Just got a response from Melissa Celeone sent from her I phone KS Toronado Jan 2023 #138

calimary

(81,085 posts)
130. Done.
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 08:08 PM
Dec 2022

Greetings -

I'm writing about New York State convicted murderer and child rapist James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060.

It seems he is once again up for parole. This beast murdered and raped a sweet little 12-year-old girl named Cheri Lindsey for no reason, and I don't see why he is even allowed to come up for parole. His innocent victim certainly has no "freedom" anymore, does she? A friend of Cheri's father let me know about this latest anguish, and I feel compelled to write this plea to you.

PLEASE, for the sake of ALL our precious children, and the parents who love them, KEEP THIS MONSTER LOCKED UP!

I VEHEMENTLY oppose his release on parole! He should NEVER - EVER - walk free again.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,516 posts)
11. Thank you, my dear H20 Man, for alerting us to this awful situation.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 08:56 PM
Dec 2022

I will get right on it.

That creature must never see the free light of day!

Kudos to you for your help.

NBachers

(17,080 posts)
15. Done - concise and to the point
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:09 PM
Dec 2022

Subject line:

Do not release James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060 on parole

Body of email:

Please Do not release James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060 on parole.  A sexual sadist child rape murderer like this will never be rehabilitated or safe in the community.  He is a predator who must remain in prison for the rest of his life.    Thank you,  NBachers

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
29. Thanks!
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:41 PM
Dec 2022

I'm not sure why, but this time, this process has been more difficult for me. I can't imagine how hard it is for David & family. But I have promised him that I will always do everything possible to make sure Wales is never released.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
82. Yw! Ty for posting about this!
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 04:43 AM
Dec 2022

Why our so-called justice system even has provisions for releasing such monsters back into society is beyond me!

I'll send an email in the morning!

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
111. I appreciate it!
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 03:31 PM
Dec 2022

Wales has nothing to contribute to society, and no matter how old, would always present a danger to society.

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
18. We can also sign the petition at Change-dot-org
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:21 PM
Dec 2022

(link) https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-release-of-james-b-wales-nr-84c1060

The petition will be turned over to the NYS authorities including the Commissioner of Corrections Chair Allen Riley. They're hoping to have 25,000 signatures on the petition and they are close to 20,000 already.





H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
31. Thanks!
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:42 PM
Dec 2022

The petition is being taken up by one of the family's friends. I hope people send the e-mail and sign the petition.

a kennedy

(29,606 posts)
19. I just sent my request to not ever let this son of a bitch out of prison.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:21 PM
Dec 2022

Breaks my heart, she was only 12.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
34. Thank you!
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 09:46 PM
Dec 2022

I really appreciate that you will help spread this! And, while I can't speak for him, I know that David will appreciate it, too. I will be telling him this tomorrow.

Jirel

(2,013 posts)
60. No, and your request is offensive.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 10:36 PM
Dec 2022

Not to mention immoral and an abuse of the legal system.

First, the legal system was constructed as it was for a reason. There is no such thing as a person who should never be released under any circumstances. His sentence was given, and when parole is an option there are rules for how the board should make its decision. It is not a popular vote determined by which side can organize the loudest rally.

Second, who your buddy happens to be is irrelevant. The justice system is not to be treated as a system of personal favors, operating like the mafia.

Third, who you treated is also irrelevant. You have essentially named a patient, as there are only so many women he married. That in itself is problematic. Especially when you are claiming to know, on the basis of conversations had while bound to patient confidentiality, of other crimes. Ones that, by the way, are in no way verifiable - the word of one person under a pseudonym on an Internet site.

So, I may send a letter, but it will be about the lobbying effort to convince complete strangers to write in about a matter they had no knowledge of, on these very problematic claims of yours.

69. I agree with Jirel
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:25 PM
Dec 2022

No one is beyond change. I wasn't.

My main problem is that there is no information on the person up for parole.

We hear that "he doesn't deserve freedom".
"That creature must never see the free light of day!"
"He would pose risks to the public if ever released."
"He needs to be locked up forever."
"I view him as a dog sick with rabies."
"sexual sadist child rape murderer"
"An evil fuck"

I hear pitchforks and smell torches...

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
72. Yes, there are people who must never be released
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:49 PM
Dec 2022

Child molesters are definitely among them.

A reminder about these scumbags as revealed by Anne Salter, a foremost authority on child predators:

The dry research figures only confirm what I have seen over and over in this field: there are a lot of sexual offenses out there and the people who commit them don't get caught very often. When an offender is caught and has a thorough evaluation with a polygraph backup, he will reveal dozens, sometimes hundreds of offenses he was never apprehended for. In an unpublished study by Pamela Van Wyk, 26 offenders in her incarcerated treatment program entered the program admitting an average of 3 victims each. Faced with a polygraph and the necessity of passing it to stay in the treatment program, the next group of 23 men revealed an average of 175 victims each.


23 predators with 175 victims each = 4075 victims. And most of those victims never get justice for what happens to them.

But we're the horrible ones for wanting to give more children a chance to avoid having that happen to them.
74. Sarcasm? Really?
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 12:05 AM
Dec 2022

The subject deserves discussion.

There are questions raised by your statistics, but that is not what is at issue here.
Can people change?

If you don't believe people can ever change their behavior, then I feel sorry for you.

If you believe they can but these particular people cannot I would like to hear your reasons why. Are there other categories of people you believe are different enough that they are beyond hope? And for those you believe beyond hope, what should we do with them. I guess label them as "scumbags" and throw away the key.

If these "scumbags" are "are definitely among" those "who must never be released" then there most certainly are others who fit into that category. Please, outline for us those categories of humans upon whom you have given up hope.

Drug dealers? Democrats? Romani? Rapists? Tax cheats? War criminals? Priests? Jews? Jaywalkers? Polluters? Pornographers? Pamphleteers? Suffragettes? Slaves? Abusive parents? Abusive politicians? Rich people? Poor people? Immigrants? The Irish? Gimps? Fat people? The Phlegms?

We'd just like to know who we should no longer care about, no longer think of as human, we consider disposable.

No

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
92. Snap out of it
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:14 PM
Dec 2022

The man *raped and murdered* a 12 year old girl. If he can change wonderful, let him change in prison. Let him be useful from there where he can't hurt anyone.

Why on earth would you take the chance that another child would be murdered?

Jesus. I believe in rehabilitation but for offences like his NO.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
94. If a person
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:35 PM
Dec 2022

sincerely wanted to discuss rehabilitation -- including for a variety of crimes --- and started another OP/thread, I'd gladly participate. But attempts to hijack this OP/thread, not so much.

There is a lot of research of what individuals are likely to change, and what ones can not and will not. There is not a single example of a sexual sadist who rapes, tortures, and murders, becoming safe for release. Not one.

114. No
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 04:10 PM
Dec 2022

I simply was asking the question, which humans do you consider sub-human and beyond repair? And what criteria?
I have no information on this particular case nor am I arguing for one position or another. I simply do not like the "throw away the key" attitude many people have.

"what ones can not and will not" these are very different statements. There are jaywalkers who will not rehabilitate. It is the determination (on the part of society or of individuals) as to which ones can not that is of interest to me. How do you decide?

98. I repeat my question
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 02:33 PM
Dec 2022

You believe that if someone *raped and murdered* a 12 year old they should never be allowed out of prison. You will "allow" them to stay alive, as long as it is in a cage. This is because you don't honestly believe they can change because they might hurt another child.

So this is a class of human you believe incapable of change, no chance at rehabilitation, even though society has said that after a certain amount of time you may request re-entry into the world.

The question then is, what exactly are the criteria, for you, for excluding this opportunity for this person? And what other classes of humans would you deprive of this chance as well?

If this person had *raped* but not *murdered* the girl, would you allow them parole?
If they had *raped and murdered* a 22-year-old would you allow them parole?

How exactly does this refusal work? If you read the comments of those who support this effort to keep him inside they border on lynching, this person is sub-human, this person does not deserve any consideration at all.

So, how do we determine this? And who decides?
If they *murdered* their rapist would you allow them parole?

If the father of the victim murdered the rapist, would you allow him the chance for parole?

More precisely, who is human and who is not and how do you decide?

ismnotwasm

(41,956 posts)
101. There are human monsters
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 02:41 PM
Dec 2022

People born without the ability to feel empathy or compassion. Or love. Society does not have a place for human monsters to go besides prison.

There are people who absolutely cannot be rehabilitated. Like, at all.

I think the prison system is fucked up, sure.

Many years ago, a good friend of mine was killed by a serial killer. He released women into the wilds of Alaska and hunted them like animals. Tortured them. He was arrested, and died in prison. At which point do you think he should have been released?

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
104. Like I said, snap out of it
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 02:54 PM
Dec 2022

I don't have to determine a god damn thing. I am talking of one case.

So sorry, person with 527 posts. but I don't consider you to be an expert in . . . . anything. Where did you go to get your criminal psychology degree? Are you in law enforcement? Can you cite case examples of rehabilitated sexual sadists/murderers? Or are you just full of it?

To me in this particular case the math is simple.

If you can't understand that just go soak your head and come back after you survive, somehow, the rape and murder of YOUR 12 year old.

Your argument is bullshit.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
108. Although I have zero
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 03:28 PM
Dec 2022

interest in the circumstances, I will note the person you are responding to states that they have been rehabilitated from some crime or another. This could be a case of "hot seat syndrome," or it could be a sincere attempt to identify first-hand credentials. One hopes it is not a person who in any way resembles Wales.

As you know, my credentials are my sincerity. Yet I do have a few lesser ones. Work experience in forensics, evaluations for courts, testifying in more cases than I can remember, as well as formal education. As I have noted several times in my 19 years on this forum, the best instructor I had was J. Reid Meloy, who was Robert Hare's top student. Hare, of course, created the checklist for psychopathy. Reid was the forensic psychologist who testified against Richard Allen Davis, the shitstain who kidnapped, rapped, and murdered 12-year old Polly Hannah Klaas in 1993. Perhaps the person you are responding to thinks Davis could have been redeemed and made a contributing member of society. I will go on record here as saying that he could not, any more than a rabid dog could become a cuddily family pet and good with children.

By the way, Reid is a top consultant with the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, and we might well see him involved in the Idaho case.

People interested in this general topic would do well to read the books by Michael H. Stone, a top forensic psychiatrist. A good start would be his "The Anatomy of Evil," which presents a scale for identifying those that can never be safely released in society. He uses the word "evil" in a non-religious sense, but rather about what constitutes the worst of the worst. Those seeking greater information can study the human brain, its chemistry and pathways. I'll note that if one of the most dangerous offenders did somehow redeem themselves, they would take full responsibility for their crimes, including fully accepting they have zero right to be released from incarceration while alive.



Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
112. I trust your education
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 03:56 PM
Dec 2022

as well as your instincts and professional credentials.

I don't understand people who would want to free a sadistic murderer.

And I do wish that people without the qualifications to judge such cases would leave it up to people who do, like you.

I don't envy you your professional experience dealing with men like Wales and the aftermath of their crimes, with the victims. I don't think I could do it honestly. I think it would destroy my soul to be that close to evil.

116. I am making no argument
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 04:13 PM
Dec 2022

I am asking how do you determine who is beyond help?
Do you pre-determine that based on their crime?
What groups of humans fall into that category?

Note the question marks please.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
127. I don't give a flying fuck what you are doing
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 07:54 PM
Dec 2022

Mainly because what you're doing is annoying me on New Year's Eve and being a troll.

I feel absolutely no obligation to help you be annoying.

Goodbye troll. One more post from you and I block you. Have not blocked anyone on this site for at least 10 years. But blocking a troll would be a great start to the New Year.

131. Interesting
Sun Jan 1, 2023, 02:01 AM
Jan 2023

You join a conversation that I was NOT having with you.
You tell me to "snap out of it" and apparently misunderstand what I had been saying.
I respond that I had simply been asking questions.
You again tell me to "snap out of it" and that my arguments are bullshit.
I state that I am making no argument but simply asking questions.
You now tell me you don't give a flying fuck what I am doing.

Then why keep responding to me? And so aggressively?

Again, I did not begin talking to you, you began talking to me. Difficult for me to be the troll when you joined the conversation.

If you don't want to talk to me, don't talk to me. Jeez.

Saoirse9

(3,676 posts)
97. He wants to keep a rapist and murderer of a 12 year old in jail
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:47 PM
Dec 2022

Explain please how that is immoral.

Maybe you didn't read the part where he raped and murdered a 12 year old? Or is a sexual sadist? Can't be rehabilitated?

Put yourself in the shoes of the families whose children were hurt and killed by this guy. Would you like to have this guy live next door to you? Would you be okay if your kids were exposed to a man who might rape and murder them?

JFC I don't understand people. Maybe if you write your letter of complaint you can explain to the parole board how you would love for this guy to move in with YOU.

Or at least, how you will personally take responsibility for any crimes he commits once he's free.



H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
105. I'm hoping
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 02:54 PM
Dec 2022

this person does contact the authorities with complaints about this OP/thread. Maybe start a "Save the Wales" movement.

At very least -- and I shall not explore the very worst -- the person has no idea who I am, what information I have shared with the parole board in two previous hearings, or the silly claim that I identified anyone other than the sexual sadist, the victim, or the victim's father. Nor does the person have a clue regarding any conversations regarding the ex's permission to share detailed information with the parole board years ago.

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
66. re: taking into account incidents "where the offender was never caught, charged, and convicted"
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 10:59 PM
Dec 2022

I have to admit that I find that problematic, because of, for example, this recent thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143012533

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
68. That's fine.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:01 PM
Dec 2022

A convicted rapist/murderer of a 12 year old, who confessed to his crime, needs friends.

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
70. I'm talking about the bigger picture, not an individual.
Fri Dec 30, 2022, 11:30 PM
Dec 2022

Similarly, I'm against the death penalty. If someone killed someone close to me, emotionally, I'd want the death penalty for them. Heck, if they intentionally hurt my dog, I'd want the death penalty for them! But I also think society would be better off not having a death penalty, at least as long as there is any risk of it leading to an innocent person being executed, which there clearly is. So while I would still feel my emotional response, I would not start rallying for the death penalty... because another part of me believes that, in the bigger picture, it's not a good thing (I know some disagree). I similarly feel that it is probably not a good thing for the justice system to take into account second-hand knowledge of alleged (not tried or proven) additional despicable behavior on the part of a convict in adjusting their sentence. As for this case, I'm not trying to be a murderer's friend. He has already been denied parole twice. It should be denied again. But for reasons that don't go further than what is actually already known by the justice system, which indeed already seem sufficient. A justice system that can be swayed by unproven hearsay could ultimately be a dangerous thing for many people.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
73. Okay.
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 AM
Dec 2022

One common sense question for you to consider -- and I ask this respectfully: Do you think there is ANY chance that this was Wales first offense?

I'm against the death penalty, too. Not that some don't make a good case for it with the crimes they commit. Instead, I had a 40+ year friendship with a man who faced the death penalty. He was incarcerated for 20 years for a crime he did not commit. Recently, the man who commited the crime my friend was incarcerated for confessed to it on his death bed. On a purely volunteer basis, I did work with my friend's defense team. There are good reasons to think several investigators knew my friend hadn't killed anyone.

People here that know me -- including both those who like and dislike me -- are aware of this vase, and my connection. On one of the covers of the books on my friend, his long-time friend Coretta Scott King calls his case the most important habeas corpus case of the last century.

In later years, I helped coordinate with my friend on assisting the wrongly convicted. More, his legal team has been willing to assist me when there is a local conviction that is okay, but the sentence unreal. Most recently got a kid out of Attica who had served a year in hell, and faced a life sentence.

thesquanderer

(11,970 posts)
80. re: "Do you think there is ANY chance that this was Wales first offense?"
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:10 AM
Dec 2022

Hmm. Well, "offense" is a broad term. Is it his first murder? I don't know the details of the case or the man, but everyone who commits murder, whether once or multiple times, at one point has to have done it for the first time. Again, without specific knowledge of the case, but just on general principles, I think anyone who raped and murdered a 12-year old has almost certainly done terrible things prior to that. Whether he has actually raped or murdered a minor--or anyone--before, I really don't have grounds to say.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
81. There are
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:18 AM
Dec 2022

numerous books avqailable that detail how sexual sadist's histories tend to follow a certain path. As someone who has worked in the field, I would start with the works of J. Reid Meloy and/or Michael Stone.

Ohio Joe

(21,726 posts)
78. Done...
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 12:32 AM
Dec 2022

I gotta admit… I don’t like any of this. A heinous crime… That you have to be asking for this help… That such emails even have to be sent… I weep for humanity some times… it need be done though… Thanks for letting us know H2O Man… I’m gonna go do a few shots of tequila

KS Toronado

(17,138 posts)
84. Sending an email to help is a real easy thing to do.
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 06:51 AM
Dec 2022

send to....... melissa.celeone@doccs.ny.gov

subject..........James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060

message........Child murderers and rapists should never be let out of jail to return to their old habits.

Just finished sending above message, free of charge. My email program (Thunderbird) added a * behind .gov
went through OK

MagickMuffin

(15,925 posts)
95. Thank you for caring
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 01:37 PM
Dec 2022



Anyone who harms another deserves no freedom, period!


Will send an email with hopes it will be helpful.


CoopersDad

(2,191 posts)
117. Done. And kicked.
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 04:25 PM
Dec 2022

Thank you, H2O Man.

-SKP

Dear Ms Celeone and members of the Parole Board,

James B. Wales(NR 84c1060) was tried & convicted and sentenced to 33 years to life in prison.
Certain crimes cry for a life term and certain convicted criminals can never be safely released into the community.
This convicted rapist-murderer must never be given his freedom, nothing mitigates his crime and no amount of counseling can make him safe enough to return to society.

Please swiftly deny parole this year and for every subsequent application.

Warm regards,

------ -------

____________________________________________
PS to H2O Man: there is a Change.org petition

https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-release-of-james-b-wales-nr-84c1060?recruiter=17088507&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_petition&recruited_by_id=de57c4b8-8ee8-4be4-90b0-82387178abbc&utm_content=fht-2252356-en-us%3Av12&use_react=false

CoopersDad

(2,191 posts)
132. I just got an email reply from Melissa Celeone
Mon Jan 2, 2023, 09:02 PM
Jan 2023

It might have been an automatic reply but at least I know it was received.

It read, simply, "thank you".

Happy New Year!

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
119. Just sent to Ms Celeone, and Godspeed. The hijack-subthread here made me ill...
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 06:14 PM
Dec 2022

I had to stop overnight. There seem to be various motives — tho I can’t really say for sure.

Your replies to them have been restrained and courteous, I think. They should take their chances starting their own OP.

Regarding the concentric circles of damage. I was 11 when a 12 year old girl in our town disappeared. Her raped body was found …
On a visit back one time, a woman my age mentioned J—— Y—— and my head snapped up. She said softly that she thought there wasn’t a woman of our age who didn’t remember that case. It had been 30 years by then. It’s now been over 60 years, and I still remember that child’s name. It could have been any one of us, and we all knew it.

Godspeed in your good works, old friend, and may your new year be blessed,
Hekate

Email to Ms Celeone:
Please do not parole James B Wales SR DIN 84C1060.
Predatory, sadistic, sex offenders do not change — especially those whose targets are children.
Thank you,
(Hekate)

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
124. Thank you -- as always!
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 06:52 PM
Dec 2022

I found myself thinking about those behind a couple of responses -- but only for a short time. I'm far more interested in the responses from the Good People in this community!

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
125. When I saw your name and "Help" in the title my first thought was
Sat Dec 31, 2022, 07:10 PM
Dec 2022

whatever you need - consider it done.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,516 posts)
134. I got a response to my email to Ms. Melissa Celeone about this matter. She said "Thank you."
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 02:16 AM
Jan 2023

I had included my email address in my signature line.

I hope her response is a hopeful sign.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
135. That is so sad for Cheri & her parents. I always thought that once a family member attended
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 02:26 AM
Jan 2023

the parole hearing and opposed the perpetrator's release, he/she will not be released. Has that changed? Just asking, however, I will participate in your request. Hope he stays behind bars until his demise, the sadist.

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
137. Someone from the Manson Family is still behind bars. Every so often there's a parole hearing...
Tue Jan 3, 2023, 02:58 AM
Jan 2023

Aging people still have to show up to attest to the fact that the Tate-LaBianca murders irrevocably damaged their lives and they will never be whole and that none of the Manson Family should ever be released. Charles Manson died in prison in 2017, I think.



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