Well this is just the worst possible turn of events...Finding old VP Biden Classified docs

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


#@$-###@

[mahina]

1. What happened?

This is the first post I’m reading been busy all day

[Karadeniz]

3. Classified documents in Biden private office from post VP time...

[mahina]

8. Verb please?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. Biden attys found classified docs I'm Bidens private office

In Nov 2021

[Ocelot II]

12. Why didn't you say so in the OP?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. Holy cow. Sorry!!!! Some kind of job where you can only look at headings and not click on them

??? But you did click on it because you saw what it was did you get in trouble? Hope not. Do you know that there are tricks to making yourself look like you're looking at work when you're not really

[Ocelot II]

54. I don't have a job. I'm retired.

But a person who's working might not have the time to watch CNN.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. Thanks for heads up Ocelot. Got carried away since such an

Absolute bummer

[orangecrush]

14. Sounds like bullshit

[mahina]

56. That's my take too

We will see

[orangecrush]

64. The timing

Is too convenient.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

71. You're right! Probably a zillion to one coincidence!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Why did you say "post VP time". ? Has that been confirmed?

Not sure when this VP office was created

[magicarpet]

2. Say what.... ?

What is this thread about ?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Sorry thought everyone knew by know. Classified docs in

VP Bidens office. Sorry I have CNN on and they are saying it's the biggest political gift anyone's ever given Donald Trump. I feel like gagging

[Ocelot II]

22. We don't read minds and we aren't all watching CNN.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. Good point... Was a pure shocker

[LuckyCharms]

4. .

[claudette]

5. What does that mean?

[sarisataka]

6. I am reminded of Pinky and the Brain

[Ocelot II]

7. Please refer to this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217543724 and consider not posting cryptic, uninformative threads with no content that we have to ask what you're talking about. Thank you.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Yes I know. So huge figured EVERYONE knew

[Ocelot II]

23. Some of us might be at work or otherwise busy and not glued to cable tv.

[ItsjustMe]

42. I had no idea what this post was about.

I only became aware of this post somebody alerted on it, and I served on the jury.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. Oh my goodness just goes to show you...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. Alerted for what???

[ItsjustMe]

76. Don't peddle right-wingtalking points, smears, or sources

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. What in the world???? How crazy is that????? Grrrr

[ItsjustMe]

91. 99% of the juries I serve on are for bogus alerts

Did you get the email I sent you?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

93. Yes:). Not broken yet, despite popular demand :)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. WTH.... For all the people who said "they" know exactly

what is missing? Hmmm. Classified docs missing. For at least 6+ years - no log to show who had them, obviously, or Joe Biden would have found/returned them instead of attys happening upon them.

Grrrrrrrrr

[FalloutShelter]

16. Did anyone ask for the docs back!

Did Joe then hide them and refuse to return them!
Didn’t think so.
NO SALE!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Of course he didn't because he's honorable ! Rs will

"Go to town with this" CNN

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Was my first thought.. why wasn't there a controller

Of classified docs? I think that's the biggest story, the biggest elephant in the room. It's got to be the worst system in the world!

[Irish_Dem]

11. Right on cue the GOP is going after Biden.

So predictable.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

34. Yup... Of course they are. I bet they're jumping up and down and partying tonight

[Irish_Dem]

43. Of course they are. There will be more.

They want us to be rattled and off kilter.

They think they are so smart.

[Effete Snob]

15. Bullshit

As with your jumping the gun on the no-longer-conflicting Jan. 6 secret service testimony, it appears that you have once again run off half-cocked and under-informed to spread a Fox News talking point.

[gab13by13]

17. Coincidence this came out

just when Fani Willis' special grand jury finished its work.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. They're better not be any huge surprises with Georgia

Those are the two cases that were sure things against Trump. Documents case and Georgia

[Beaverhausen]

20. Wake me when they find them in the hotel he owns

with all sorts of people allowed to wander around...

[IcyPeas]

21. HERE is an article from AP news: DOJ reviewing potentially classified docs at Biden center

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is reviewing a batch of potentially classified documents found in the Washington office space of President Joe Biden’s former institute, the White House said Monday.

Special counsel to the president Richard Sauber said “a small number of documents with classified markings” were discovered as Biden’s personal attorneys were clearing out the offices of the Penn Biden Center, where the president kept an office after he left the vice presidency in 2017 until shortly before he launched his 2020 presidential campaign in 2019. The documents were found on Nov. 2, 2022, in a “locked closet” in the office, Sauber said.

Sauber said the attorneys immediately alerted the White House Counsel’s office, who notified the National Archives and Records Administration — which took custody of the documents the next day.

“Since that discovery, the President’s personal attorneys have cooperated with the Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives,” Sauber said.

A person who is familiar with the matter but not authorized to discuss it publicly said Attorney General Merrick Garland asked U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois John Lausch to review the matter after the Archives referred the issue to the department. John Lausch was appointed to his post by former President Donald Trump.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-812ef44a5333f6d93423a67a683fa024

[gab13by13]

27. I apologize, Garland is quick to investigate.

[orangecrush]

30. Yeah, Democrats.

[orangecrush]

28. I smell a rat

"The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets."


https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/biden-center-classified-documents/

[Laura PourMeADrink]

57. CNN said that very top level. Eyes only ? Whatever. Jeez

JHC Cant believe that no one was looking for them

[Effete Snob]

29. Sauber said the attorneys immediately alerted the White House Counsel's office

Seems like the OP would like to ignore that part.

[haele]

55. If they're like FOUO classified copies, a locked cabinet is fine.

So he might have had them for reference.
Also, what wes being stored? His VP schedule? Official Travel Documents
and Expense Reports? Personal correspondence as VP? Those items would be classified at a low level at the time they were applicable.
Not excusing anything, but there are levels of classification for documents, and an itinerary schedule identified as FOUO is definitely not the same as a TS-SCI communication document outlining asset resources.

Haele

[Cha]

58. TY IcyPeas..

“Since that discovery, the President’s personal attorneys have cooperated with the Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives,” Sauber said.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-812ef44a5333f6d93423a67a683fa024

[Beaverhausen]

26. please read this thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217543724

[gab13by13]

32. Trust me Laura does not fit into that category,

Yeah the thread could have written better but her intent was sincere.

[Ocelot II]

41. Most posters post in good faith; they just make assumptions about

what the rest of us know. That's the point.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. Jeez Ocelot. Not sure what you're trying to get at? Thinking

WAY ahead and what Rs and trump defense will do with this info. Whether it's applicable or not ..they just needed a sliver of truth to run with it Not sure what you're getting at! I told you I was sorry that I didn't specify exactly in my OP, even amended that!

I hope 100%, as someone who has Democratic blue blood in my veins, that this is no big deal. My intuition is telling me something different.

Especially since people tried to squelch the conversation - now that's the true mystery.

[Ocelot II]

84. I'm not complaining about the substance, only about the lack of it

in the initial OP. However, I really don't think this is a big deal and that it will blow over. If the GOP does try to make a big deal of it they are implicitly admitting that TFG did something wrong, too - even worse because he took the documents intentionally, refused to give them back, lied about them, and didn't secure them. So after some initial huffing and puffing they'll probably decide to let the matter drop.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. Hope you're right ! But maybe I'm jaded but I think the chance of this

fading are alike a million to 1

That is ALL they needed! A tiny sliver of truth. And they can amass their masses with zero truth.

Will eat crow a million times but be very happy if you are right

[samnsara]

33. we should all just ignore this. we all know joe didnt steal anything for personal gain..

[PortTack]

47. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[woodsprite]

35. My first thought - something the Magat House dragged out of the past, if it ever even was.

[48656c6c6f20]

36. Ok.

[orangecrush]

37. Thanks, Laura

I appreciate being made aware of this.

I seriously don't think it's as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

And, I smell rat fucking

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. I hope you're right, but I feel like they will make it a big deal and I feel like his

Defense team is cheering with martinis right now. 100% hope I am wrong. Can't believe we only have NY who they've ( trump crime family) already created an entity to hide assets and GA. And maybe just maybe someone recorded trump on 1-6. Fingers crossed

[orangecrush]

77. Agreed

[Laura PourMeADrink]

81. [phone]

[Ocelot II]

39. This isn't something to get our panties in a bunch about, for this reason:

Of course the GOP can be expected to make a big fuss about it. But if they whine about how terrible it is, aren't they effectively admitting that it was also bad for TFG to do it? And even worse, because of instead of cooperating he refused to return the docs, hid some of them and claimed they were his? They'll have to tread very carefully when they go into whatabout mode on this.

[GoCubsGo]

49. And, Biden can always say he declassified them just by thinking about it.

Just as Trump claims to have done. (I'm seeing that it's not even clear that the documents were classified. I'm seeing an AP report saying "potentially classified.&quot

This also helps Merrick Garland, in that they can't claim Garland is a partisan on a witch hunt against Republicans.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. Really? Hope not. CNN an hour ago, said sources told them that they were

that highest level of classified... Don't remember the name. That would be fantastic if they were proven not to be classified. I just wonder in general, how does a person forget? Forget that there are classified documents somewhere. It must not be that big a deal? I'm just trying to understand.

[GoCubsGo]

82. It. Was. A. Joke.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. Calmed down. Haha

[ProfessorGAC]

40. Over The Top

The snip in this thread says "potentially" classified documents and in the vice president's office!
Where else should the VP read official government documents.
Apples & oranges.

[Mr.Bill]

51. They could easily be documents that have been declassified.

Trump did explain how easy it is to do that, right?

[SYFROYH]

61. He was the former VP when he used this office.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. Good info. So IF they were there - 2016+

[onethatcares]

44. well that didn't take long

gym and the crew are still nursing hangovers from their assholeish speaker election before they, or someone, discovered cwap.

what's next? Hunters' laptop again?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

45. Oh I can think of a LOT of things that would be way worse than this.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

92. Like what?? Supposedly there are two things that we can get trump on

For sure slam dunk. GA and Fla - stealing classified docs.

[Lovie777]

46. Impeachment number 1 .......

GQP want to impeach Pres Biden at least three times.

[cilla4progress]

48. Plus, once notified

Biden's admin is complying.

Errors happen. It's what you do about them that matters.

And this actually provides a great contrast with tfg's obstruction!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

63. Agree but it doesn't matter. If there's an iota of truth

That is all they need. Nuance will not cut through! Per CNN. And I agree 100%. Just utterly disappointed is all

[bdamomma]

53. Here's the thread here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217545208

snip of article:


Classified documents from Biden's time as VP discovered in private office, source says
Several classified documents from President Joe Biden’s time as vice president were discovered last fall in a private office, a source with knowledge of the matter tells CNN.

The National Archives has referred the matter to the Justice Department for further investigation, the source told CNN.

Biden’s lawyers found the government materials in November while closing out a Washington, DC-based office that Biden used as part of his relationship with the University of Pennsylvania, where he was an honorary professor from 2017 to 2019, the source said.

Fewer than a dozen classified documents were found at Biden’s office, the source said. It is unclear what the documents pertain to or why they were taken to Biden’s private office. Federal officeholders are required by law to relinquish official documents and classified records when their government service ends.

https://us.cnn.com/2023/01/09/politics/joe-biden-classified-documents-upenn/index.html

[LetMyPeopleVote]

101. CNN rushed to scandalize new reporting on classified documents found at former Biden office

CNN has become a clone of Fox News under the new management team

Link to tweet

https://www.mediamatters.org/cnn/cnn-rushed-scandalize-new-reporting-classified-documents-found-former-biden-office

fter news broke that classified documents from his vice presidential days had been found in President Joe Biden’s former office, CNN rushed to sensationalize the story and drew inaccurate parallels to the FBI’s retrieval of documents held by former President Donald Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

On Monday night between when the news broke and 11 p.m., CNN dedicated 1 hour and 47 minutes of coverage to the story, more than sevenfold MSNBC’s 14 minutes of coverage and over three and a half times Fox News’ 29 minutes.

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One particularly poor example in CNN’s programming came just before prime time, on Erin Burnett OutFront. As the story was breaking, anchor Erin Burnett emphasized that Biden was legally required to return the documents when his term as vice president ended in 2017. Burnett pointed out the differences between the FBI seizing documents at Mar-a-Lago following a court-approved search warrant and Biden’s legal team immediately turning over the documents to the National Archives when they found them. But CNN’s coverage implied hypocrisy on Biden's part by playing a September 2022 clip of the president rhetorically asking “how anyone could be that irresponsible” in regard to Trump withholding classified material at Mar-a-Lago. CNN also included an image of the classified documents found by the FBI at Trump’s residence during the segment without providing context, potentially misleading viewers.

From the January 9, 2023, edition of CNN's Erin Burnett OutFront

Burnett then brought out CNN correspondent Jamie Gangel, who while mentioning the differences between the Trump story and Biden’s, framed the news as “a political nightmare for the Biden administration” and “politically something that the Republicans and Donald Trump are going to make hay in.”

In response to a question from Burnett about “how much of a gift” and how “transformational” the new story is for Trump, Gangel stated that this is “a huge political gift for Trump." And despite the distinct differences between the documents found at Trump’s home and Biden’s office, Gangel posited that “it is going to be very important for Justice [Department], and as much as the National Archives plays a role here, to really let the public know what was in here. Is that nuance going to cut through? I don’t think so.”

Link to tweet

[Kingofalldems]

62. Should we give up?

[Greybnk48]

68. How do we know this is TRUE? Did someone plant them?

This sounds nutty to me, designed to help TFG.

[Zeitghost]

69. Biden's lawyers are cooperating

They have known since November what was handed over, if they suspected fraud or a criminal activity I'm sure they would be out in front of it.

The devil will be in the details. What level classification and what information was contained.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. Our cross to bear - opponents don't do nuance :(

[Laura PourMeADrink]

70. Joe Biden? Joe Biden attys? Although I haven't heard if he remembers

anything about them. He is saying he didn't know anything about them. Which means no entity, no system was actually looking for missing documents?

So very possible they could have been planted. But that would mean that trump had old classified documents right? To plant? Hmmmm. Just hypothesizing here..

[Hortensis]

74. Nah. Just remind people one law for all, including presidents,

and agree, "Well, of course!" with demands for "investigation." Then we and the press'll keep the stolen and missing documents taken by tRump in the news until they try to bury it.

Everyone understands the differences between clerical sloppiness/mistakes and theft.

[KentuckyWoman]

78. Amazing isn't it.

A staffer or a lawyer or someone discovered the docs. Immediately alerted someone. The docs were returned the next day. Biden and staff are complying fully with the required investigation.

I mean seriously - a president who does the right thing? What is THAT all about?
(snark)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

88. And what world are we in that what you said doesn't make 100%

sense to all humans!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

79. There's a key difference between the classified documents found at a former Biden office and the

ones Trump kept at Mar-a-Lago, national security expert says

A US attorney is reviewing a handful of classified documents found at President Joe Biden's former office in Washington, CBS News reported Monday.

In a statement, Richard Sauber, special counsel to President Biden, said the White House is cooperating with the National Archives and the Justice Department on the matter.

"The documents were discovered when the president's personal attorneys were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, DC," Sauber said. Biden held a position at the center, run by the University of Pennsylvania, from 2017 to 2019.

The documents "were not the subject of any previous request or inquiry by the Archives," Sauber noted and were immediately handed over to the record-keeping agency.

-more-

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/there-s-a-key-difference-between-the-classified-documents-found-at-a-former-biden-office-and-the-ones-trump-kept-at-mar-a-lago-national-security-expert-says/ar-AA169s3R

[Laura PourMeADrink]

80. Now that's very interesting... That statement that

Archives weren't looking for them. So curious. Does the Archives have their own classification system? Like "holy cow why is this doc missing" vs. "No big deal" docs.

Just asking like a plain ole thinking human being.

[LakeArenal]

86. Well, a difference is the documents seem to have been found in an official office...

The FBI didn’t have to get warrants to find them.

The FBI didn’t have to execute any warrants.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. Of course - WE understand differences - light years

of differences. But we're talking about people who didn't even think there was anything wrong with trump inciting 1/6, an lying like there's no tomorrow. They would never get the difference between an honest mistake and a crime.

[jcgoldie]

94. meh

The distinctions are obvious. Anyone who chooses to ignore them already had their mind made up anyway. This does not move any needle.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

95. Except the needle to convict trump of doc stealing crimes

[jcgoldie]

96. well if this is what the DOJ is concerned about in that Trump case...

... then you are saying they are entirely incompetent and not interested in justice at all. The one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other except as a talking point for a liar like Trump... who would be lying regardless.

[moondust]

97. Nothingburger.

Probably just some aides overlooked a few documents when shuffling and moving loads of stuff around.

[MerryBlooms]

98. Your OP contains zero information. Just emotional supposed

Doom and gloom. What the heck is going on? No links, no context, nothing!

I'm taking a hard Pass on hitting all your panic buttons.

[newdayneeded]

99. Garland will fast track indictment for

Biden in about 3 months, all the while throwing out trumps case.

I hope I'm kidding, but it looks like Teflon don strikes again. Never, ever will this guy face consequences for anything in his life.

This story will probably shut down the document investigation on him. Way way way to convenient on the timing of this!

[jcgoldie]

100. that is one stupid post!

Jesus Christ!