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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:08 PM Jan 2023

It's the guns

“Although opponents of sensible gun control…continue to put the spotlight on the shooters’ motivations or unstable mental states, these are cynical diversions from the one obvious truth: The common thread…is the absurdly easy access to guns.”


We know what the problem is
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.add1854
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It's the guns (Original Post) Roland99 Jan 2023 OP
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2023 #1
It's absolutely stupid that our 'representative governmnet' continues to feed the AndyS Jan 2023 #2
It's because that monster Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #4
There have always been "unstable mental states." moondust Jan 2023 #3
It is the weapons - WMD - Weapons of Mass Destruction erronis Jan 2023 #5
Here's the thing: Straw Man Jan 2023 #6
Some of us remember when kids could take guns to school Kaleva Jan 2023 #8
Violent crime is still lower Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #11
It always surprised me how little people want to talk about what changed. SYFROYH Jan 2023 #9
Something has changed. Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #10
It's not the guns....it's the deeply rooted mentality Tripper11 Jan 2023 #7
We see the problem differently. Straw Man Jan 2023 #12

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
2. It's absolutely stupid that our 'representative governmnet' continues to feed the
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jan 2023

monster that's killing us.

moondust

(19,960 posts)
3. There have always been "unstable mental states."
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jan 2023

Globally.

From long-term to the impulsive "snap" due to a triggering event.

It's not the muskets wielded by a well regulated Militia as necessary to the security of a free State.

It's the guns.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
5. It is the weapons - WMD - Weapons of Mass Destruction
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 06:53 PM
Jan 2023

WMD - A favorite of the right-wing when someone else/others have them. OK when they are in the hands of self-styled patriots.

I'm anticipating a new class of mass-destruction weapon that every Tom, Dick, and Harry can have in their pockets and use it to take out 10, 100, 1,000 people in short order.

Who knows. Perhaps a handheld laser pulsed at the terahertz level?

What will the 2nd Amendment folks say if isn't a bullet-spewing WMD? Is it different somehow?

What will the politicians and other K-Street suited consorts say when they, and their families and drinking buddies can be taken out from a mile away without a trace?

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
6. Here's the thing:
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 08:18 PM
Jan 2023

The AR-15 has been for sale on the civilian market since 1964, at which time there were no background checks whatsoever for firearm purchases. Rifles could be mail-ordered to the buyer's home. Prior to 1968, serial numbers were not required on firearms. Guns were manifestly easier to obtain legally than they are now.

Obviously, something has changed.

Elessar Zappa

(13,911 posts)
10. Something has changed.
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:19 PM
Jan 2023

Violent crime, including murder, is lower now than it was in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Mass shootings are more common now but there’s also far fewer serial killers.

Tripper11

(4,338 posts)
7. It's not the guns....it's the deeply rooted mentality
Sun Jan 22, 2023, 09:00 PM
Jan 2023

I think it's the gun mentality. Asking the question how do we get the guns out of the hands of these people, or any similar question is not the right one.
I believe the right one is how do you change the gun mentality? How do you change Americans minds that it is your "god given right" or another reason to have a gun.
Nothing will change with any type of legislation.
America needs to change its mindset about gun ownership.
I think it needs to be a change in thinking, and that change will take generations.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
12. We see the problem differently.
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 03:50 AM
Jan 2023

I have no problem with people thinking it's their right to have a gun, god-given or otherwise. The problem is people that want to kill a large number of the fellow human beings in one berserk rampage.

As has been stated elsewhere, "regular" violent crime is down. The frequency of these mass-killing incidents is up. Something is seriously wrong with the zeitgeist.

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