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Ukraine: Estimated losses of the Russian army (Original Post) Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 OP
I have to consider the source before jubilating DFW Jan 2023 #1
Russia has acknowledged a lot of these numbers Johnny2X2X Jan 2023 #3
More news about assistance... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #5
Great news Johnny2X2X Jan 2023 #6
Manpower be damned, it's the Arsenal of Autocracy bucolic_frolic Jan 2023 #2
Putin has exposed the weakness of his military LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2023 #4
Slava Ukraini! niyad Jan 2023 #7

DFW

(54,281 posts)
1. I have to consider the source before jubilating
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 10:34 AM
Jan 2023

Besides the fact that the Russians have much more cannon fodder to spare, not to mention their brutal hired mercenaries.

Don't forget the "body counts" of "killed communists" that the U.S.military kept announcing on a daily basis during the Vietnam conflict. They turned out to be just a little optimistic, too.

I still think that the best hope of the Ukrainian nation at this point is a cabal of Putin's inner circle who end up deciding that enough is enough, and that the guys with the knives on March 15, 44 B.C. had the right idea.

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
3. Russia has acknowledged a lot of these numbers
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jan 2023

The running tally has grown and grown, and I think these numbers are ahead of what Russia is willing to acknowledge, but in the past Russia has admitted 70,000 casualties when the estimates were not far ahead of that. So 120,000 troops is probably not that far off from reality and Russia will probably acknowledge 100K soon. The hardware is easier to confirm and the US has counts from our intelligence that are very close to these.

I hate this war for the people of Ukraine, nothing about it is fair to them. But strategically, this war is just too good to be true for the West in general. Russia is bashing their own head in on a brick wall, they are diminishing their might and threat for generations and they're still going to lose. Russia cannot build replacement hardware because of sanctions and they're expending a large percentage of their total armory on this ill thought out invasion. It's so advantageous for the rest of the world that I'd bet there is a good deal misinformation that Putin is getting that they're winning that is coming from the West. We want him to keep expending all of his military in Ukraine. or at least enough of it that it will be 40 years before Russia has invasion capabilities again.

And the end game is that Russia will be so diminished and poor, that denuclearization can be the carrot for them to rejoin the civilized world and its economy.

All of this is awful for Ukraine. Not only are they being brutalized, but we give them just enough to hold their own and make small gains so it drains Russia even more. All the while they have to act appreciative and happy we're giving them enough for that, but not enough to end the war.

It's a proxy war, and the best investment the US has ever made in one.

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
6. Great news
Mon Jan 23, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

Ukraine is getting more and more advanced weapons because they are winning. When the tipping point is reached, you can expect a more no holds barred armament of Ukraine from the world. I think the decision has already been made to give them what they need to retake Crimea, but that fruition of that plan could be many months away.

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