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Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:48 PM

Teacher shot by 6-year-old texted a dire warning to a loved one before she was wounded, source says

The Virginia teacher who was shot by her 6-year-old student texted a loved one before she was wounded that the boy was armed and that school officials were failing to act, according to a source close to the situation.

The source on Tuesday said Abigail Zwerner sent the text about an hour before she was shot on Jan. 6, saying that the student said he had a gun in his backpack and administrators at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News weren't helping.

The text "showed her frustration," said the source, who only disclosed details of the single text message to NBC News and not the messages that came before or after it. "She was frustrated because she was trying to get help with this child, for this child, and then when she needed help, no one was coming."

When asked about Zwerner’s text message and previous safety concerns from teachers and staff, Newport News Public Schools spokesperson Michelle Price said, “Anything that has been reported to our school leadership team in regards to concerns at Richneck from teachers and staff members is part of the investigation. It’s being thoroughly investigated.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teacher-shot-6-year-old-texted-dire-warning-loved-one-was-wounded-sour-rcna67290

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I hope she retires a very, very wealthy woman.

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Reply Teacher shot by 6-year-old texted a dire warning to a loved one before she was wounded, source says (Original post)
Coventina Jan 25 OP
Bettie Jan 25 #1
AkFemDem Jan 25 #9
Bettie Jan 25 #13
LisaL Jan 25 #25
Hortensis Jan 25 #31
LisaL Jan 25 #24
Bettie Jan 25 #26
LisaL Jan 25 #27
BlackSkimmer Jan 26 #43
Bettie Jan 26 #44
BlackSkimmer Jan 26 #45
Bluethroughu Jan 25 #2
Hortensis Jan 25 #32
Bluethroughu Jan 25 #40
Hortensis Jan 26 #42
tanyev Jan 25 #3
Sogo Jan 25 #5
tanyev Jan 25 #12
crickets Jan 25 #8
Cha Jan 25 #11
cab67 Jan 25 #14
mgardener Jan 25 #16
Bluethroughu Jan 25 #41
maxsolomon Jan 26 #46
Bettie Jan 26 #47
debm55 Jan 26 #48
Bettie Jan 26 #49
FakeNoose Jan 25 #4
BannonsLiver Jan 25 #6
Diamond_Dog Jan 25 #7
lpbk2713 Jan 25 #10
mgardener Jan 25 #15
Sky Jewels Jan 25 #17
GreenWave Jan 25 #18
sarisataka Jan 25 #19
Dr. Strange Jan 25 #22
sarisataka Jan 25 #28
Dr. Strange Jan 25 #35
questionseverything Jan 25 #29
AkFemDem Jan 25 #33
bucolic_frolic Jan 25 #20
progressoid Jan 25 #21
LisaL Jan 25 #23
debm55 Jan 25 #37
bucolic_frolic Jan 25 #38
debm55 Jan 25 #39
OverBurn Jan 25 #30
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 25 #34
ZonkerHarris Jan 25 #36

Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:52 PM

1. Sounds to me like the parents are

very well-off and well-connected. Oh, and 99% sure they are white.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:20 PM

9. This is not a wealthy or predominantly white district

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/richneck-elementary-school-profile

I think an argument can be made that lower income, diverse schools are viewed with apathy by district powers that be, and that even though lower income, minority students are more at risk of being victims of crime (and we know that’s true) there is a troubling lack of prevention and mitigation resources to protect these children and stop the gun violence that plagues cities like Newport News.

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Response to AkFemDem (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:46 PM

13. In my experience

they would have been all over a not-white kid.

It will be interesting to see where this goes. In any case, this was a failure by multiple people who could have done something.

It's also another thing that can be laid at the doorstep of our country's lack of mental health resources and placements, because this kid surely needed some help that the parents were not able to provide.

Some issues need to be dealt with by professionals and this case may very well be one of them.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:15 PM

25. He is not white.

So you are totally wrong.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:15 PM

31. Thanks. Can't move fix anything without understanding

the problem.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:15 PM

24. Well, the kid isn't white.

I saw his photo.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:17 PM

26. They are showing a photo

of this child? Whatever he did, that's wrong, he is still a small child, albeit one who needs...something. No idea what.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:18 PM

27. With his face blurred out.

But yes, the photo is in being shown.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:29 PM

43. I've seen a picture of the mom.

And you are wrong.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:55 PM

44. Given the delicate treatement

I am surprised.

I've said that several times. It isn't usual with non-white or poor people.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 02:57 PM

45. He's a minor.

Hence the treatment.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 01:56 PM

2. I hope she settles for at least 1billion.

People need to pay, because money is the only thing they listen to.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:19 PM

32. Really? That's the only thing you listen to?

Of course not, of course. Same for "them."

Btw, every school district in the nation has already ben running scared of legal damages for decades, and yet this happened.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:02 PM

40. Somebody has to be held responsible for a teacher being shot by

A student that had been acknowledged as a threat an hour before.

The dean, security, principal and district should be liable.
The parents should be in jail if it was their gun.
The community needs to come together and put gun regulations on the priority.

I'm not trying to say everyone, but if taxpayers start having to flip the bill for the gun violence in public areas, maybe the 2nd amendment above everything else people, will get sick of their fellow irresponsible gun buddies causing their wallet to suffer, and we get on commonsense gun regulations.

Unless we get a few more SCOTUS justices, I'm unsure what we can do.

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Response to Bluethroughu (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 01:01 PM

42. Don't worry, various parties are accountable and in trouble.

This shocking event didn't take place on Tatooine. It's the focus of state and national attention, and especially intense local attention, and various levels and types of established authorities, laws, regulations, etc are involved. As for who pays the bill, they're our institutions, including that school district and all the others involved, and so of course we always do. If monetary damages made society behave responsibly, they'd have worked long ago.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:03 PM

3. "The firearm our son accessed was secured," said the statement, released by the family's attorney.

Um, no. If a 6 year old was able to access the gun, then it was definitely not secured.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:08 PM

5. Things that make you go hmmm....

Can we therefore infer that an adult gave the child access to it?

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Response to Sogo (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:44 PM

12. It's occurred to me that there could be an older sibling mixed up in this.

But if the sibling is not old enough or mature enough to know you don't hand a gun to a 6 year old to take to school, then he or she should also not be able to access the guns.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:18 PM

8. Exactly. nt

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:24 PM

11. It was NOT "secured" Enough. So

it was Negligence.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:32 PM

14. agreed, but...

...I'm willing to accept the possibility the parents thought it was secured. Did an older sibling provide access? Did the child figure out how to get around the securing mechanism? (My daughter is his age, and her problem-solving skills are remarkable if she's determined enough.) Neither of these absolves the parents - it was their responsibility to secure the weapon properly, and it wasn't. They might very well be lying to cover their assess, but then again, maybe they're not.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:37 PM

16. Why would you have a gun in the house

With a child with that many issues?
Was the " secure" gun loaded at the time?

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 11:05 PM

41. Yep, as secure as the kid in diapers waving a gun, pulling the trigger

In the apartment hallway.

Unbelievable.

Except this is real.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:05 PM

46. If it was in a gun safe or had a trigger lock

then it was secured. If the kid overcame the security, then it wasn't secured adequately.

I question the wisdom of even having a gun in the house. The kid sounds like a sociopath.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 03:22 PM

47. If the parents being in class with him was

deemed necessary and reasonable, it seems that there are some serious issues.

Unfortunately, our society isn't good at dealing with such issues. There is little support for the families of people with them and even less after an incident.

On the one hand, I will never understand why parents with a possibly dangerous child would have a gun in the home. On the other, it is probable that they reached out for help and found that there aren't adequate resources available.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 04:46 PM

48. The school should have provided an aide, since the child's parents would no longer be attending

classes with him. Was this his homeroom? Was he being mainstreamed and this was a mainstreamed classroom? When I taught Art, I had students from the Educational and Behavior Delayed classrooms come to my room with an aid. So did the Music and Gym classes.Have things changed and their is no mainstreaming?

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Response to debm55 (Reply #48)

Thu Jan 26, 2023, 06:19 PM

49. My youngest is in middle school

but most elementary kids don't change classrooms except for art, music, PE around here.

Some kids go to sessions for various reasons (T&G, reading help, behavioral) but are 95% mainstream classes.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:08 PM

4. Lawsuits are coming

The school principal knew about the boy having a gun. There were at least 3 warnings from other teachers and school employees before Ms. Zwerner was shot. Absolute negligence on the school, also the boy's parents.

Please see https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143024094
Headline: Lawyer: Adminstrators were warned 3 times the day boy shot teacher at Virginia school

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:10 PM

6. The kid is a bad seed.

Should probably be in a facility permanently.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:12 PM

7. And everyone wonders why there's a teacher shortage.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 02:21 PM

10. Raise hand if any question why teachers are leaving the profession





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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:34 PM

15. I was injured by a student while working as a school nurse

I ended up going out on disability at age 42. Wrong place wrong time for me.
I sought legal advice and the lawyer was appalled when the copies of all the incident reports were sent to him. The stack was about a 1/4 inch thick. He was in 5th grade at the time.

We all knew he was dangerous. We all hoped nothing would happen.
But a shooting? I can't even imagine

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Response to mgardener (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:39 PM

17. Damn, that is just awful. I'm so sorry.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:48 PM

18. This story keeps growing legs.

What's next?
Cops failed to respond in time if call was actually placed?

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Response to GreenWave (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:55 PM

19. Nope

A Newport News police spokeswoman said authorities also determined through their investigation that "a school employee was notified of a possible firearm at Richneck Elementary before the shooting occurred," adding, "The Newport News Police Department was not notified of this information prior to the incident."

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Response to GreenWave (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:09 PM

22. Do we want teachers calling the cops on school kids?

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:19 PM

28. If a child brings a gun to school

They should not call police?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 06:07 PM

35. Seems like whenever a cop is called, people here go nuts.

I mean, I don't have a problem with it, but it doesn't seem like a particularly popular position.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:37 PM

29. If they have a gun? Yes

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:25 PM

33. YES. YES WE ENTHUSIASTICALLy DO want the cops called

When a student has brought a gun into a school.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 03:56 PM

20. Teachers have no authority to seize weapons from pupils backpacks?

It's school policy, apparently, to let situations like this fester until higher-ups decide to act? How about safety first?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:04 PM

21. Yeah, that's fubar.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:13 PM

23. Another teacher searched the backpack but didn't find the gun.

The boy probably put it in his pocket when backpack was searched.

"At 12:30 p.m. a teacher told a school administrator she searched the 6-year-old's backpack for a gun and told the administration that she believed the boy put the gun in his pocket before going outside for recess. The administrator downplayed the report and responded that the boy has little pockets, according to Toscano."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/school-board-decide-fate-superintendent-after-6-year/story?id=96654019

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:17 PM

37. You can't go in a child's desk either. Privacy issues. former PA teacher. I don't know if it has

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changed since all the school shootings. I know because I got written up for going in a child's desk. This was six years ago. He had a plastic butter knife from the cafeteria.

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Response to debm55 (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 08:57 PM

38. The legal rule at one time was in loco parentis

in location as the parent would do. Now the kids rule. Who knew?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 09:49 PM

39. There were lawsuits brought by parents, stating that their childs rights were infringed. I was

surprised that backbacks were checked as this was again infringment of rights. And you better have a very clear causef for the search. Schools are not like they were once were when I started teaching in 1978.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 04:54 PM

30. I guess I don't get it, if there's a fucking gun, take it. Don't wait for a shooting.

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Response to OverBurn (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 05:26 PM

34. The Subversive 6 have ruled that gun owners have more rights than women.

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Response to Coventina (Original post)

Wed Jan 25, 2023, 07:32 PM

36. Write the check Newport News

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