The fallacy, politicians, top people in the White House never get charged, convicted, for crimes.

[fightforfreedom]

Watergate: 40 government officials indicted or jailed.

Haldeman and Erlickman, Top White House staff were jailed.

John Dean, White House counsel, jailed.

Mitchell, Attorney General, jailed.

Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy, jailed

Charles Colton, special counsel to president, jailed.

James McCord, jailed.

All of these people were convicted for lesser crimes than are being investigated in the J6 Coup of Fools. The argument no one at the top will be held accountable because of past history, is a flawed argument.

[nightwing1240]

1. Key name missing and that is the arguement

Richard Nixon. While it would be nice to jail Trumps cronies for crimes they committed that will not mean a thing if the ringleader himself is not convicted.

[fightforfreedom]

2. Nixon was forced to resign.

Ford pardoned Nixon soon after he left office because there was a good chance he would be indicted after he left office. What Nixon did was far less serious than what Trump did.

[raging moderate]

4. Also, didn't Nixon get very ill almost immediately?

I seem to remember he was in the hospital soon after that.

[nightwing1240]

10. I am well aware of that

Just saying we have had criminals as Presidents that got away with crimes

[Irish_Dem]

3. That was a lifetime ago. When "rule of law" had a different meaning.

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. THIS!!!

[Hortensis]

14. :) Still same meaning. The Republican Party has gone completely rotten,

from top to bottom and from bottom to top. That's the difference, though it was already worrisomely unprincipled back then. They didn't even like Nixon but reelected him by an overwhelming, unchecked surge (49 states!) of factional loyalty in the middle of the Watergate investigation.

But decent people were in the majority then and still are now.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Another difference is that the views of the majority are not as important now.

The GOP can cheat, gerrymander, suppress votes, use propaganda.
The will of the people is of no import.

[fightforfreedom]

16. You must be kidding.

[Irish_Dem]

21. I kid you not my friend.

Those were very different times in so many ways.
A bygone era, so quaint now in retrospect.

[raging moderate]

5. What happened to Spiro Agnew?

That was so long ago. I remember he had committed some crime, and he was forced to give up being Vice President.

[fightforfreedom]

12. I believe it was not related to Watergate.

Agnew was corrupt as hell.

[LexVegas]

6. Lets talk this century. Did Bush and his cabal face any consequences for their heinous crimes?

[nightwing1240]

9. This too!

[fightforfreedom]

11. Did Bush try to over throw our country?

Did Bush steal and hide secret documents. What are going to charge them with that can be proven in a court a law? Lying about WMD's, good luck with that. Torture, maybe that could be proven in court, maybe not.

The fact remains, top people in administrations have been held accountable in the past. No argument will change that fact.

[Beastly Boy]

7. Another fun fact.

Actually a bunch of fun facts:

September 3, 1971: First major operation by the "White House Plumbers" breaking into the offices of Lewis Fielding

15 months later, with no apparent accusations of the authorities "sitting on their hands" : Five defendants plead guilty as the burglary trial begins. Liddy and James W. McCord Jr. are convicted after the trial on January 8, 1973. No complaints about the authorities only going after the "small fish".

20 months later, May 19, 1973: Independent special prosecutor Archibald Cox appointed. No complaints about DOJ being "too cautious".

27 months later, January 28, 1974: Nixon campaign aide Herbert Porter pleads guilty to perjury. No complaints over the "pyramid strategy" being ineffective.

29 months later, March 4, 1974: The "Watergate Seven" (Mitchell, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Colson, Gordon C. Strachan, Robert Mardian, and Kenneth Parkinson) are formally indicted. No cries of "what took them so long".

34 months later, August 9, 1974: Nixon resigns. No indignant calls of "justice delayed is justice denied".

35 months later, September 8, 1974: Ford ends the investigations by granting Nixon a pardon.

51 years and counting, DOJ: No Nixon trial, no conviction.


Just sayin'...

[Autumn]

13. Richard Nixon. Resigned and pardoned. That is the problem.

[fightforfreedom]

15. No it is not.

Nixon resigned because he was going to be impeached. That's what the constitution calls for. Impeachment. Our constitution does not call for sitting presidents to be indicted. After a president leaves office he is a civilian.

We do not have a lot of set precedent when it comes to indicting former presidents. Ford pardoned Nixon, that was his choice, he had the power to to that. That did not change the fact Nixon was removed from office, ruined politically and personally. He never recovered from it and he will be remembered by history forever by what he did.

[Autumn]

17. And he was never charged with anything. He was pardoned. Regan was never charged. Bush was never

charged. Cheney was never charged. And here we fucking are. Waiting for another.

[fightforfreedom]

18. Charged with what? What were all the people you named going to charged with?

That could be proven in a court of law. Just because people we don't like do things we believe are criminal means it can be proven in a court of law. What Trump did does not compare to what all the other people you mentioned. Not even close. Everyone who is honest and has a brain that works knows Trump tried to over throw our country. He attempted to put in place a dictatorship. End our democracy and the constitution.

How can you compare that to what other presidents did?

[Autumn]

19. If you aren't aware of the crimes they committed maybe you should look them up.

How can I compare that to what Trump did? Easy, they were all crimes done openly and never investigated. Here's what I do know Trump is in trouble for his tax cheating. Treason, which he has openly committed will never be one of the charges.

Everyone who is honest and has a brain that works knows what crimes were committed by Nixon, Regan, Bush, Cheney and Barr. None of them were charged. If you don't see the comparisons you are just being dishonest.

[inthewind21]

20. I wonder

how many who are calling for arrest and conviction RIGHT NOW would react if they were arrested without solid evidence and based on "we know they committed crimes."

[gratuitous]

23. Republicans learned their lesson from Watergate

Poppy Bush was probably the finest practitioner, but Republicans have largely avoided answering for their crimes since Watergate. In the dead of night on Christmas Eve 1992, Lame Duck President Poppy pardoned Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, Robert McFarlane, Clair George, Alan Fiers and Duane Clarridge, all of whom were about to go on trial for their part in the Iran/contra arms-for-hostages swap.

In his final report, Lawrence Walsh said that the trial set to begin in early January 1993 would have produced evidence that put the lie to Poppy's contention that he was "out of the loop" on Iran/contra. The nauseating comments in the aftermath of the pardons by Bush and those pardoned were all the wink-nod bullshit of those who like to say that no one is above the law: Those going on trial had already suffered enough; while confident of their exoneration, the accused took their pardons and skedaddled stage right; the investigation had grown stale and run its course; and a trial was just too much for the country to have to put up with.

We've seen evidence of misconduct (at least) or criminal acts by high government officials that would seem sufficient to bring charges against the former guy, AG Barr, Special Counsel Durham, and a host of others. And yet, to this point, nothing. The break-in at the Watergate occurred June 17, 1972, and the first indictments were announced March 1, 1974 about 22 months later. It is going on 26 months since January 6, 2021.