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Duppers

(28,117 posts)
1. Gawd, my butt. This is racists pushing back at our 'wokeness.'
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 05:51 AM
Feb 2023

They're pushing, thinking progress can be stopped by this horrible terrorism.

NBachers

(17,083 posts)
2. Here's a link to his mom's GoFundMe Page. I would not be able to write a coherent message if this
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 07:14 AM
Feb 2023

happened to my son. Read her heartbreaking message.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/lawyer-fees-and-medical-expenses

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
7. I'm reserving judgment until there's an investigation.
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 01:03 PM
Feb 2023

This has overtones of the Sherita Dixon-Cole incident. The "facts" thus far are the GoFundMe set up by Mr. Jenkins' mother citing an unnamed witness and some rando posting on social media, both making some very sensational claims. Let's see what a proper investigation turns up.

If the claims are true, the deputies involved need to be fired and charged.

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
8. Did any police in that case also kill two black men previously?
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 01:16 PM
Feb 2023

But sure these killers deserve the “benefit of the doubt.”

Adding …. And it’s “normal” for police to shoot people in the mouth because the handcuffed victim probably didn’t comply.





Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
9. Do you know the circumstances of those other shootings involving these deputies?
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 02:46 PM
Feb 2023

I doubt that you do, and I don't, either. Every police shooting isn't automatically murder. If the deputy wasn't disciplined or charged in either case, the logical conclusion is that the shootings were justified uses of force. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'm willing to hear and consider it.

For this incident, we have next to nothing to go on. We have a GoFundMe page and some rando on social media making sensational allegations. I'm leery of the former because of the financial angle and I'm leery of the latter for obvious reasons.

In the Sherita Dixon-Cole incident, social media (largely Shaun King, who never apologized for his role in the incident, as far as I know) spread sensational allegations about what transpired during her arrest. They were later proven to be lies when the bodycam footage was released. Two Texas DPS troopers received death threats as a result of those lies. One of them wasn't even involved at all, he simply had the same name as the trooper who arrested Ms. Dixon-Cole.

So you will, I hope, forgive me if I choose to withhold judgment until an investigation is done. If you choose to take the GoFundMe page and some rando on social media as gospel truth, go for it. I can't imagine why you would, but you're welcome to do so.

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
10. Qualified immunity and a cultural code of silence prevent police from being
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 05:09 PM
Feb 2023

charged. So the fact that they were not does not prove anything.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
11. So absent any details or evidence whatsoever, you assume that the shootings were unjustified?
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 06:57 PM
Feb 2023

Would you consider evidence to the contrary, should it surface? I'm at least open to the possibility that they weren't justified, should evidence to that effect be presented.

It's very similar to the way you've seemingly accepted the claims presented in this incident as factual when there's nearly nothing to go on. I'm skeptical, but should an investigation conclude that the claims are true, so be it. If the claims are true, the deputies clearly committed a crime and should be charged.

With all due respect, it just seems to me like you're jumping to conclusions without any solid facts in hand. I'm curious as to why you're taking that approach.

Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
13. That needn't mean you or I should accept every allegation as factual.
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 08:34 PM
Feb 2023

This is particularly true in the absence of anything resembling evidence. It's possible to acknowledge the problem while still remaining objective and waiting for an investigation to determine what happened in each incident.

If the allegations here are proven to be true, I'll join you in calling for these deputies to face justice.

live love laugh

(13,081 posts)
14. You're looking for something else instead of what's in
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 09:06 PM
Feb 2023

front of your eyes … a human being was shot in the mouth while detained by police—with no aid for four hours. Those are facts.

What justifies that?

These situations don’t happen as frequently — or at all to other Americans.

If they did, they’d be stopped.

Instead of simple concern for the obvious mistreatment of another human being to hear a wait-and-see, maybe he-deserves-it, maybe-he-lied-like-one-black-person-lied-5-years-ago is appalling.



Jedi Guy

(3,175 posts)
15. You're accepting that as fact when it hasn't been established as such, though.
Sat Feb 4, 2023, 09:43 PM
Feb 2023

That's my entire point. You're accepting a GoFundMe and a social media video as gospel truth. It's a pretty sensational claim with literally no scrap of fact to back it up thus far. No video, no investigation, no nothing. Why are you simply accepting it as truth sight unseen?

Also, I defy you to point out where I said "maybe he deserved it." What's appalling here is that you're deliberately lying and twisting my position. Why are you doing that?

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