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Oh, man.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)It started with aphasia, right around the time my mom died. Then it progressed to dementia.
This news is heartbreaking.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I wouldn't wish dementia on my worst enemy.
I watched my late husband die from this curse.
Frontotemporal dementia is bad, very bad.
LisaM
(27,801 posts)It's brutal. I know about it because Gordie Howe's wife Colleen had this and it was covered by Detroit papers as it progressed.
I am sorry to hear this.
Torchlight
(3,327 posts)I liked him in Die Hard, dug him in Pulp Fiction, and even saw an unexpected direction and range of acting in Sin City. But I'll always look to his performance in Moonlighting as my go-to definition of the actor whenever he's brought up in convo.
No matter the progression of the disease, I'll forever see him as that mischievous guy with the impish grin.
Sky Jewels
(7,069 posts)Literally the first thing we saw, on the outskirts of LA, were two vehicles parked on the side of a freeway. The truck in front had a big film camera mounted on it. The other vehicle one had two people who were dressed up and sort of primping and obviously getting ready to film a scene. Somebody said, "Hey, those are those two actors from that new detective show, Moonlighting." It's weird to think that that was almost four decades ago.
MLAA
(17,282 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)It is a heartbreaking way to leave the planet. I lost my dad and granddad to early onset dementia.
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)Sad to hear...
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)My mother has suffered from dementia for several years and we never were provided a specific diagnosis -- hell, I don't even know if it's dementia or Alzheimer's or what. They basically give her basic questions (what's your name, birthday, where are you, who's the president, draw a clock, etc.) and diagnosed her that way, based on that and some of her other symptoms. Maybe she was "too gone" at that point and figured it wasn't worth putting her through the tests required to make such a specific diagnosis or maybe the treatment is similar regardless, but it would have been nice to know one way or the other... Until she had a recent stroke, we technically didn't even have specific confirmation of dementia beyond the verbal test or whatever they give; but the stroke confirmed that she had some sort of atrophy usually seen with dementia, but once again, they did not give a specific type.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)a form of dementia, and in most elderly dxed with dementia it is of the Alzheimer type.
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)...I remember that I was going to apply for some caregiver respite voucher from a local Alzheimer's Association type place and, as part of the application, they ask you what type of dementia the patient was diagnosed with. It listed Alzheimer's, Lewy Body Dementia, Vascular Dementia, and some other types, I believe. I basically never completed the application because I was never told exactly what type my mom had.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)only way to positively dx Alz is via autopsy. For other types, brain scans can sometimes be helpful, but if ones primary isnt knowledgeable enough about various types and characteristics, a neurologist would be the person to go to.
Sorry about your moms dementia
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)Her doctor should either give you a diagnosis based on symptoms, progression, etc, or send you to a neurologist who can do it. They run tests, maybe an MRI, and usually do some Q&A you will have to help with. Someone in her medical team should be able to help with this.
leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)Is with an autopsy, unfortunately.
Same with Parkinson's. Apparently, these conditions are varied.
A dear friend died at 67 of a combination of Parkinson's and pre frontal atrophy. She had experienced her father going through it. She knew where she was headed when she began to have symptoms. Heart breaking.
I'm sorry you are going through this.
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)But how does someone like Willis get diagnosed before his death? Is it just that some dementias or types of dementias are diagnosable before death? Or are they all just suspected -- not confirmed -- based on the associated symptoms?
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I was just watching something about this the other day.
They were comparing MRI scans of the brain of someone with Alzheimer's disease and another with vascular dementia.
Neither one of them are any damn good at all! !!
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)They would not run an MRI scan on my late husband.
That would have shown vascular dementia and I would have known that his time was short. I wish I had known this before he died.
I found out when I received the death certificate in the mail!
It was a horrific thing to witness.
I still see it playing over and over again in my mind. It was last year at this same time that I realized how seriously ill he was. He died in May at the age of 85 years.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)It's awful. But I can tell you it will get better with time
take care
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CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I don't know what I could have done differently.
At least I did not dump him into an "assisted living center". That was one option I was given, that or palliative care for $1500 a month. I never quite figured out what the palliative care was. I think I was doing that already.
I hate receiving bad news the way I did.
I do not understand why they just did not tell me!
The health care provider I see finally told me a couple of months ago that vascular dementia is the worst way to go as far as what type of dementia was it. I kind of figured that one out already in Feb. of 2022 when it began to get really awful.
How I made it through that whole thing I will never know.
It has left me cold and I don't believe in much of anything any longer I am afraid. Nope.
debm55
(25,162 posts)were not honest with you. You are a very strong and loving person.
MissB
(15,805 posts)Truly what a horrible way to find out. So sorry you went through that.
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)It is a terrible situation all around. For the person with dementia, yes, but also for those around them, especially those providing the much needed care.
I sometimes wonder how I will even be able to go on in life, after seeing how this is playing out with my mom. It's almost like it opened up my eyes to a terrible existence that I was blissfully unaware of for most of my life and I don't know how I can even continue on in life knowing that that sort of situation is possible. It really just darkens my entire mood on life and the world in general -- as if I didn't already have enough to be depressed about from politics! Heh, gallows humor, I guess...
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)All I know is that its been one year since things began to get very very bad.
Hospice came to the house and told me he'd be around for a long time.
He was dead three months later.
I was not prepared for it and I screwed up in many ways.
I'm still trying to recover financially as nothing was left for me to have.
I've been blessed with a few new friends however. They have been very helpful towards me.
I wish I knew what to write except do the best you can, that's all anyone can do.
I hope the situation rectifies itself sooner rather than later for BOTH of you.
It is a hell I never cared to visit, that is all I can say.
Take care of YOU, that's what is important as it is up to you it sounds like.
It as a lonely boat to hell is how I felt.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)Her doctor inferred she had vascular dementia because of how it accelerated so quickly. Overnight, literally, after a medical procedure that required anesthesia, she all of a sudden couldn't make a cup of tea, dress herself, or use the bathroom alone. Her ability to comprehend the simplest of directions was just gone. She lived with me her last 5 years, and previous to this, she was slow but able to do these simple tasks. But then it was like someone flipped a light switch off. This, apparently, is typical of vascular dementia.
She lived only one more year after that. But honestly, her quality of life became so diminished, it was just horrible to witness. Last July she broke her hip and never woke up after the surgery. Small mercy it was that she passed peacefully.
I miss my Mom.
MissB
(15,805 posts)My father died a number of years ago. He had Alzheimers and would sunset mid-day and become violent. He died of prostate cancer, which they stopped treating because of the Alzheimers. It was a mercy.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 16, 2023, 06:50 PM - Edit history (1)
It was the sunsetting that caused my Mom to break her hip. There does come a time with dementia when you question why you're working to prolong life. (My Mom also had CLL leukemia.) It is just a horrible, horrible disease.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 16, 2023, 06:09 PM - Edit history (1)
My husband fell and broke his hip. When he woke up from the surgery, he could not breathe nor swallow.
I've been through a hell I hope to never visit again.
I am sure you feel the same way.
I'd never heard of vascular dementia before.
It was like he was here one day and gone the next.
I am sorry to read of your loss and yes, I can totally relate.
Take care.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)I can't imagine having to help a spouse at end of life with dementia, especially when they have been the center of your world. That is just the worst. So heartbreaking.
And yes, here one day, gone the next. But I do believe they are waiting on us, "just around the bend." It's our time now to savor every moment, just as they would want us to.
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)Going through this sort of experience is terrible and very eye-opening.
It has sort of clouded my view on life in general. Being a caregiver like you were and having it happen before your very eyes is especially tough. I know that I often feel like I am doing everything in my power to help my mom and yet she continues to decline. I know that is the nature of the disease, but it's still difficult to accept. I'm sure I will have some deep-rooted problems that I will need to try to address once my mom passes because I think I've come to realize that this entire experience has broken me in a way I'm not sure if I can ever repair unfortunately.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)And you are right, no matter how hard you try, she will continue to decline, but it's not because you aren't doing your best. It's also okay to ask for help. In a non-medical home setting, we are not equipped to deal with the very severe issues that arise at end of life (incontinence, aggression, etc). Just having the patience and strength to be willing to be there for your Mom at this time is a very heavy lift-- it consumes your life. Be gentle with yourself and know you are doing the best you can. Get help wherever you can, hospice in particular. Her doctor may be a resource or have info that can help. Reach out. It can make a difference.
Message me privately anytime. Hang in there.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)It was going on for a few years yes.
But, in Feb. of last year it was like a went off.
My god what a hell I have lived through with NO HELP AT ALL, none!
Why I am still here baffles me and I miss him so very much.
I understand and let me know if I can be of any assistance having "been there" so to speak.
I found the silence of others (including his family) to be deafening.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)... when dementia rears it's ugly head. I am so sorry.
Also, healing after caregiving for a loved one with dementia is no small task either. For the longest time after my Mom passed, I felt like I couldn't leave the house. It was like a dog that had been chained to a fence for years and when someone took the chain off, the dog just sat there. I have had to make a conscious choice to forgive myself for anything I think I could have done better, and now begin the process of my own healing. I'm slowly exploring new things and waking myself back up to life and all it has to offer. I know my Mom would not want me to be sad and suffering. So I am choosing, each day, to be gentle with myself and purposefully explore some fun things that I've had on the back burner for so long.
Those of us who have been through this particular hell deserve happiness.... but I do believe we have to choose it. Coming out of caregiving after a loved one dies is so very hard. I hear you and know it too well.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I am indeed broken in a way that can never be repaired.
Thank you W_HAMILTON.
AmBlue
(3,110 posts)...and do still struggle with dark days. In 2017, the year my Mom came to live with me, I also lost my Dad and two other immediate family members, both in their early 50s. One right after the other. I was in a deep depression, and felt like "what's it all for?"
As hard as caring for my Mom was, it was the right thing for me to do and I am doing my best to be at peace with her passing and the years I sacrificed.
Though I am still recovering, I am grateful to have a family who need me here and engaged in life. So I started just doing each day for them, whether I wanted to or not. In the process, I am getting a little better every day at doing it for myself. I know my Mom-- and Dad, and all whom I've lost-- would want me to find joy again. So every day I try to do that. It's not easy, but for me it's all I know to do.
I hope you and W_HAMILTON can find your joy again one day. We all must travel our own path and find our way. All my best to you both...
❤ ❤
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)One of the typical processes of neurological diagnosis is a neurologist will conduct questionnaires/interviews with family/caregivers as well as the patient. The patient will be generally be given a series of cognitive tests (answering questions, solving problems, memory and language, etc.) followed by a physical exam that tests physical abilities. For example, Parkinson's tests will test for reflex, gait, posture, tremor, limb pronation/supination, fine motor skills, etc. Depending on how these physical abilities present and the progression of them (what abilities are impacted in which order) can help narrow down what is being dealt with.
There are physical scans that can be done. CT, MRI, PET. A lot of the time that's just to rule out suspects and narrow down potential diagnoses.
The family/caregivers will answer questions about behavior, habits, observations, and patterns. This alone can be a fairly lengthy process. Those packets are thick. It's usually long sessions with follow ups six weeks to six months later where the same questions are cycled through again and again to find common patterns and themes to potential changes. It's about observing the progression.
Sometimes it's obvious and a diagnosis can be reached fairly quickly. Sometimes it's about dismissing what they know it isn't. You'll notice that frontotemporal dementia isn't just one specific thing. It's a diagnosis that was no doubt reached after they ruled out a lot of other things they know it isn't. With that kind of dementia, it seems the neurologists narrowed it down over time. It started as aphasia initially, but over the course of a year, they were able to hone down on it probably through repeated tests, interviews, and observation of progression.
Hope that helps. Used to work with a lot of Parkinson's/Alzheimer's/Dementia patients and spent many, many hours sitting through a lot of these testing processes.
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Raine
(30,540 posts)it's an awful disease, runs in my family so I know how bad it is.
Emile
(22,669 posts)debm55
(25,162 posts)wnylib
(21,432 posts)debm55
(25,162 posts)the next day to see if there were hints I missed. He was very good in that. Thank you for reminding me. wnylib.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)mn9driver
(4,423 posts)a couple years now. He, or rather his handlers, filled the last several years with smaller parts on lots of low budget films. It was all he could handle; a couple short days work for a couple million dollars. By last fall, he couldnt even do that.
Sad
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)I assume he is wealthy enough that his family wont go broke trying to care for him.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I rather suspect his time may be short, like months (???).
It was three months here from when I realized how sick he was to when he was gone.
A friend of mine told me that she thought I'd end up broke and with nothing.
At least that did not happen but it so often does!
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)It is a very painful thing which you never fully recover from. I am glad you made it through.
Lunabell
(6,078 posts)I hope he is surrounded by loving family and friends who can understand how to positively interact with dementia patients as their disease advances. It is a horrible disease.
Botany
(70,490 posts)"There's currently no cure for frontotemporal dementia or any treatment that will slow it down."
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/frontotemporal-dementia/
niyad
(113,259 posts)KS Toronado
(17,199 posts)Two years ago he started having trouble finding simple words like house, car, mail, to complete a sentence and
was diagnosed about a year ago. He's only 68 now and his wife doesn't believe he'll see another Christmas.
debm55
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