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marmar

(77,073 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:05 PM Jan 2012

Shocking: Income Inequity Since 1970, In Graph Form

from Bill Moyers & Co.:


http://billmoyers.com/content/the-triggers-of-economic-inequality/


The Triggers of Economic Inequality
By Troy Oxford and Lauren Feeney

In recent years, the rich have seen their wealth grow dramatically while the poor and middle class have basically flatlined. It’s no accident, argue Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson in their book Winner-Take-All Politics. The infographic below, which draws from Hacker and Pierson’s book, explains how our politicians — on both sides of the isle — fell under the spell of corporate dollars and re-engineered our economic system to favor the wealthy. The dark green line shows the income trajectory for the top 1 percent since 1970, while the light green line shows the bottom 90 percent. Click the orange triangles to learn about critical turning points that helped create the skewed system we have today.





....(snip)....


Shocking: Income Inequity Since 1970, In Graph Form

We know income inequality has grown exponentially in the last 40 years, but when you see it in graphic form, it's that much more astonishing. Using the new book Winner-Take-All Politics as a basis, Bill Moyers' site line-graphed the way income in America has changed, depicting a flatlining—even slightly declining—income for the bottom 90%, and an explosively inclining income for the top 1%. Further, a ticker notes each year that politicians engineered this mess for the upper echelon through legislation and executive decisions. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the steepest inclines for the rich came under the presidencies of Reagan, Clinton, and George Bush II.


http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/763245/shocking%3A_income_inequity_since_1970%2C_in_graph_form/


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Shocking: Income Inequity Since 1970, In Graph Form (Original Post) marmar Jan 2012 OP
It's the Reagan revolution in effect. Neoma Jan 2012 #1
Rayguns trickle down economy is not helping to raise the boats of the bottom 99% peacebird Jan 2012 #2
The entire program was great yesterday malaise Jan 2012 #3
"The Triggers of Economic Inequality" Thanks, I'm saving that! pnorman Jan 2012 #4
The rollovers are good; those things had real impact. PETRUS Jan 2012 #5
Both sides of the aisle. Both. Nt xchrom Jan 2012 #6
+10000000. Denial prevents solutions. woo me with science Jan 2012 #9
Capitalism and a two party system. TBF Jan 2012 #24
Not much of an incentive for the 99% nt Trillo Jan 2012 #7
This one floored me, too. K&R woo me with science Jan 2012 #8
I'm curious as to why the numbers are so high FreeJoe Jan 2012 #16
They explained on the show that the one percent grouping is very misleading, woo me with science Jan 2012 #17
flat lining kpete Jan 2012 #10
what does Dr Putnam's BOWLING ALONE research say about this? divide_and_rule Jan 2012 #11
Wallpaper your town with this. Gold Metal Flake Jan 2012 #12
k&r n/t RainDog Jan 2012 #13
I can't clearly describe how this makes me feel. Greybnk48 Jan 2012 #14
Clinton was the worst. GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #15
Exactly wrong cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #18
did you look at the graph or do you just make stuff like that up...? mike_c Jan 2012 #21
Yeah, I just like to make stuff up. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #22
in other words, the gains realized by the bottom 90 percent UNDER CLINTON... mike_c Jan 2012 #23
K&R stevenleser Jan 2012 #19
The Rising Tide Lifts all Yachts. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #20
Welcome back Bill Moyers! dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #25
The video of the show is amazing. They do a great analysis of the real causes of inequality pampango Jan 2012 #26
I had one problem with it though dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #27
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #28

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. +10000000. Denial prevents solutions.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jan 2012

We will have thieves for exactly as long as we consent to vote for thieves.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
16. I'm curious as to why the numbers are so high
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jan 2012

The stats I've been seeing ever since the start of OWS show a household income of about $350,000 gets you in the top 1% and that is pre-tax. This CBO data says that having an after-tax income less than $400,000 doesn't even get you in the top 5%. I wonder which is correct. Based on my life experience and guestimates, I have a hard time believing that one out of every hundred American households is netting $1.2 million after taxes. I know very few people bringing in that kind of money.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. They explained on the show that the one percent grouping is very misleading,
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:34 PM
Jan 2012

because there is actually a much smaller subset at the very, very, very top whose increases have so outpaced the others that you can't even make a graph that will fit on most pages...their bar is so high.

According to the authors, there is a very tiny group of oligarchs in a fraction of the one percent who are taking home one out of every eight dollars produced in our economy.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
18. Exactly wrong
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:40 PM
Jan 2012

The Clinton administration was the only sustained period of real-wage increases since Reagan got into office.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
21. did you look at the graph or do you just make stuff like that up...?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:25 PM
Jan 2012

It looks to me like most of us-- the 90 percent represented by the bottom line-- had more-or-less flat earnings during Clinton's presidency, while the rich profited enormously.

Do you dispute the data presented in the OP? Or might that "sustained period of real-wage increases" you cite have been so paltry that it simply doesn't show up on a graph of this scale? In which case, Clinton's presidency was no better than Reagan's for 90 percent of Americans, and great news for the wealthiest one percent.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
22. Yeah, I just like to make stuff up.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jan 2012

This stuff that is well known to everyone who has looked at patterns or American income and wealth distribution from 1980 to the present.

First, on re-reading I see that the poster I replied to was saying that income inequality grew most under Clinton. Fair enough. I was ojecting to Clinton being "the worst" because income inequality is not, in itself, the best measure of how people on the bottom are doing. (But if the raw difference is what is "the worst" then the poster was right.)

Income inequality can increase in good times because a stronger economy favors the rich disproportionately. More economic activity, more opportunities for profit. But that does not mean that working people do better in a bad economy, or that they do equally well in all good economies.

Of course the rich got richer under Clinton. The stock market exploded upward. Rich people have stocks.

But ordinary people captured more of that good economy than under republicans.

The chart in the OP is scaled to maximize the flatness of the bottom line because it is intended to show the huge gains made by the wealthy. All charts are designed to show one or two things clearly.

Here's a good chart of how much of GDP was captured by the median family. It tells the same tragic story as the chart in the OP, with the rich grabbing a huge portion of all economic growth since 1980. But you can see that without the gains (however paltry) of the 1990s the median family share of GDP would be lower than it started out.

Put most simply, any worker would take the 1990s over the 2000s.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
23. in other words, the gains realized by the bottom 90 percent UNDER CLINTON...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jan 2012

...were so miniscule that they don't even show as a tiny blip on a graph where the wealth inequality curve for the wealthy rises robustly. And THAT was the "greatest rise in real wages since Reagan" or whatever (I'm paraphrasing your earlier response).

Thanks, but I'm not very impressed. In other words, you don't dispute the data the OP presents, but merely want to spin it in a democrat friendly way. You know, that bottom line STILL looks pretty flat during the Clinton years, at least to me.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
20. The Rising Tide Lifts all Yachts.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012


"Who tells the president to 'Speed it Up'?"

The Bankster-Run Corptocracy, that's who. Now and forever.

K & R.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
25. Welcome back Bill Moyers!
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:43 PM
Jan 2012

Caught this show last night, it was excellent. He's going right for the heart of what troubles our nation. Good to have him back on the air.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
26. The video of the show is amazing. They do a great analysis of the real causes of inequality
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jan 2012

and its increase starting under Reagan.

Link for the video: http://billmoyers.com/episode/on-winner-take-all-politics/

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
27. I had one problem with it though
Wed Jan 18, 2012, 01:59 AM
Jan 2012

The guests that authored the book (I think it was "winner take all" or something similar) kept blaming the growth of inequality to government policies, and saying both sides were to blame.

First, false equivalence. Both sides are to blame, but they're not equally to blame. Republicans own this issue, Democrats attempt to serve 2 masters, the people and the corporations, though the corporations are clearly the most feared master these days (we need to change that, and fast).

But the real problem I had with it is I don't see it as a "throws all the bums out of office" situation at all. The corporations will just coopt the new bums, no problem for them to do so. They've been doing it for years.

I don't see the rise of inequality as being a function of government policy changes so much as it was a function of CORPORATE-written legislation that was pretty much handed to the politicians to approve. It's the corporations, stupid. I don't get why they didn't more squarely focus the blame there, since it's obvious where this all comes from.

The authors would probably agree with me on this, they just weren't stressing it as the root of the problem, or not to my satisfaction anyway.

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