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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 05:16 AM Mar 2023

I've spent a couple of days watching the end of WWII in Europe...

especially the death camps.

I've known about them for years, of course, but each time I see a bit more, I am outraged and can't understand how people can do this. Even Eisenhower, as the war was dying down, was shocked at what he saw at Birkenau. Allied troops were outraged as they put down their weapons of war and helped the Red Cross. Some stormed SS redoubts and killed even Germans surrendering. Others married survivors of the camps

During all of this, as I see the stomach-turning torture and destruction, I wonder if the pseudo-Nazis these days have any idea what they are talking about...

And then there's Putin.

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I've spent a couple of days watching the end of WWII in Europe... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Mar 2023 OP
Most likely the pseudo-Nazis do and probably don't care. tikka Mar 2023 #1
What series are you watching? FrankChurchDem Mar 2023 #2
Soldiers marrying survivors - that was new information to me. 3Hotdogs Mar 2023 #3
Had to be later COL Mustard Mar 2023 #4
I never knew that either. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #7
Liebensraum bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #5
From wiki SpamWyzer Mar 2023 #6
Lebensraum is how they justified invading neighboring countries, because German was spoken there FakeNoose Mar 2023 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Mar 2023 #8

3Hotdogs

(12,364 posts)
3. Soldiers marrying survivors - that was new information to me.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:12 AM
Mar 2023

Was that immediately after the war, or sometime later?

COL Mustard

(5,890 posts)
4. Had to be later
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:20 AM
Mar 2023

Enlisted men needed the CO's permission to marry (up until the 1960s if memory serves), and the CO wouldn't give permission in the middle of a war. Also the survivors wouldn't have been able to do very much physically. They were usually sent to DP camps to recover. Maybe they were reunited with occupation troops at the DP camps, but that would have been hard too.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
7. I never knew that either.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 09:47 AM
Mar 2023

Most survivors were far from thinking of romance after being released from those horrible places,

bucolic_frolic

(43,116 posts)
5. Liebensraum
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:26 AM
Mar 2023

Like overpopulated rats in a maze. The dominant seek to eliminate the weak in a resource grab, then pass the plunder up to their leaders.

History goes in cycles, and repeats.

 

SpamWyzer

(385 posts)
6. From wiki
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:51 AM
Mar 2023

Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] (listen), living space) is a German concept of settler colonialism, the philosophy and policies of which were common to German politics from the 1890s to the 1940s. First popularized around 1901,[2] Lebensraum became a geopolitical goal of Imperial Germany in World War I (1914–1918), as the core element of the Septemberprogramm of territorial expansion.

FakeNoose

(32,616 posts)
9. Lebensraum is how they justified invading neighboring countries, because German was spoken there
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 06:59 PM
Mar 2023

The German Nazis felt comfortable taking over Austria (which welcomed them for the most part) as well as Czechoslovakia and Poland. They practically walked right into the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and they met a little resistance in France, but not much. To the Nazi-Germans, Lebensraum meant "Let's take over every country that has German-speaking people, because it might as well be ours anyway."

It's also the reason why they felt comfortable with Italy as their ally, since most of northern Italy was also German-speaking at that time.

Needless to say, that's not how they think now, but it was true in the 1930's and 40's. It's probably very close to Putin's thinking nowadays.

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