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erronis

(15,185 posts)
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 05:43 PM Apr 2023

Holy Shite: Public invited to swear their allegiance as king is crowned

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/29/public-invited-to-swear-their-allegiance-as-king-is-crowned

This borders on unholy worship - sort of the thing that trump lusted after.
Members of the public watching the coronation on television, online and in parks and pubs will be invited to swear aloud their allegiance to the monarch in a “chorus of millions of voices” to be known as the Homage of the People.

People around the UK and abroad will be invited to say the words “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God”, in a declaration that replaces the traditional homage of peers.
Saturday’s service will also involve for the first time the active participation of representatives of faiths other than Christianity. Rishi Sunak, a Hindu, will give a reading from the Bible in his capacity as PM, despite Church of England law in effect barring other faiths from taking an active role in its services. “There is no issue about [Sunak’s] personal faith, we’re delighted that he is doing [this],” said a Lambeth Palace spokesperson.

The service will start with a procession of faith representatives of the Jewish, Sunni and Shia Muslim, Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, Bahá’í and Zoroastrian communities. Peers from different faiths will take part in the presentation of regalia, and at the end of the service the newly crowned king will receive a greeting spoken in unison by representatives of Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Muslim and Buddhist communities. This will be unamplified because of the prohibition on using electricity on the Jewish sabbath.


What - no atheists allowed? Pastafarians? Wiccans?

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Holy Shite: Public invited to swear their allegiance as king is crowned (Original Post) erronis Apr 2023 OP
Well, four hundred years ago, two different types of Christians Aristus Apr 2023 #1
Barf. I just find no value in all of this. Of course, Maru Kitteh Apr 2023 #2
Let england be england jimfields33 Apr 2023 #3
And look where we are now. There seems to be a group who think they are royalty erronis Apr 2023 #5
Eff all royalty everywhere on the planet malaise Apr 2023 #4
Often they are parasites. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2023 #6
Amen! to this. nt jrthin Apr 2023 #8
Any constitutional mnarchy is free to drop the monarch when they choose to. brooklynite Apr 2023 #13
The Brits can abolish the monarchy by an act of Parliament Ocelot II Apr 2023 #14
It is meaningless ceremony and symbolism. I can't get my panties in a bunch over this. emulatorloo Apr 2023 #7
Just another asinine oath of fealty. nt Javaman Apr 2023 #9
Not my circus, not my monkeys. Ocelot II Apr 2023 #10
that is true -- gotta love the bands and the horses. NT Grasswire2 Apr 2023 #12
OMG and ICKY POO! I am a recent dual citizen of Canada. He's my king now LOLOL Grasswire2 Apr 2023 #11
Nothing could bring out both my Irish and American tendencies so well Maeve Apr 2023 #15
Why do you care about some other allied country's form of government? Ocelot II Apr 2023 #16
Particularly the Brits, but all of them Maeve Apr 2023 #19
I'm wondering why none of the European countries that have monarchs Ocelot II Apr 2023 #20
That I can tell you in one word... Maeve Apr 2023 #21
the monarchy brings far more into the country GenThePerservering Apr 2023 #17
Pretty sure King Charles would welcome all. BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #18

Aristus

(66,294 posts)
1. Well, four hundred years ago, two different types of Christians
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 05:46 PM
Apr 2023

were burning each other at the stake. In the grand scheme of things, this is progress.

erronis

(15,185 posts)
5. And look where we are now. There seems to be a group who think they are royalty
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 06:00 PM
Apr 2023

and the rest of us are their serfs.

Ocelot II

(115,610 posts)
14. The Brits can abolish the monarchy by an act of Parliament
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 07:11 PM
Apr 2023

any time they want to, but so far it appears they don't want to. The monarchy may be obsolete parasites with no useful function, but one thing Britain doesn't have is mass shootings every day. If we could trade our 400,000,000 guns for Charles III and his entourage I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

emulatorloo

(44,071 posts)
7. It is meaningless ceremony and symbolism. I can't get my panties in a bunch over this.
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 06:08 PM
Apr 2023

As the Jim noted above, let the UK be the UK. This has absolutely zero impact on the real world.

Ocelot II

(115,610 posts)
10. Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 06:28 PM
Apr 2023

If the Brits are cool with it (and apparently most, though not all, are), I hope they enjoy the show. Might watch it myself just because they're so good at ceremonies and they usually have really great music.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
11. OMG and ICKY POO! I am a recent dual citizen of Canada. He's my king now LOLOL
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 06:57 PM
Apr 2023

I gained my Canadian citizenship (my father was born in Canada and never relinquished his altho he lived in the U.S. on a green card all his adult life. Canada law changed in 2009 in a way that allows me to be a citizen. So I am. It took almost two years to get the Certificate of Citizenship.

I was kind of shocked, silly me, to realize that I agreed, in an oath, to bear allegiance to the monarch. Crazy.

And so.....I guess I will watch this stuff. I hate the trappings and the endless stupid stuff of the monarchy.

Ocelot II

(115,610 posts)
16. Why do you care about some other allied country's form of government?
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 07:18 PM
Apr 2023

Fuck monarchies in general (e.g., Sweden, Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and a few others), or just the British monarchy?

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
19. Particularly the Brits, but all of them
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 08:36 PM
Apr 2023

Why? Because they teach and practice that some are entitled by birth to treat others as lesser, a philosophy that has destroyed lives for centuries. While a "benevolent monarchy" could make life better for the subjects, it tends to fall back to "power corrupts" in short order. Britain has tried to get away from that with a parliamentary government, but the class system engendered by the monarchical system still continues.
And particularly the Bits because I know them best and they have a more direct bearing on my personal family history.

Ocelot II

(115,610 posts)
20. I'm wondering why none of the European countries that have monarchs
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 08:43 PM
Apr 2023

haven't abolished their largely powerless monarchies by an act of their Parliament, which any of them could do if they wanted.

GenThePerservering

(1,774 posts)
17. the monarchy brings far more into the country
Sat Apr 29, 2023, 07:28 PM
Apr 2023

Than their sovereign grant. There's a damn good reason they're still there.

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