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This message was self-deleted by its author (Original post)	Marius25	Jun 2023	OP
I think Trump IS Satan.	pdxflyboy	Jun 2023	#1
That is a slur on Satan	Maeve	Jun 2023	#31
+1	kimbutgar	Jun 2023	#37
As I understand it.. He had to file where the crime was uncovered.. that was Florida	Peacetrain	Jun 2023	#2
Not me. But I read the same thing. Refusal to return was in Florida. Searched there	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2023	#6
But I always thought you tried the crime where it was commited--DC	debm55	Jun 2023	#105
None of the crimes alleged in the indictment occurred in DC.	onenote	Jun 2023	#109
Thank you. I see my mistake. And the indictment (read it this afternoon) was more centered on	debm55	Jun 2023	#113
Much of the Grand Jury work was done in DC. Might as well of pissed in the wind bringing it to her	dem4decades	Jun 2023	#8
There's more than 1 road here. It's only the first few days of	Tetrachloride	Jun 2023	#3
Where Are You Getting...	ProfessorGAC	Jun 2023	#4
You have to get through the preliminaries, how much time do you have?	dem4decades	Jun 2023	#9
She's going to be the trial judge unless she recuses herself	Marius25	Jun 2023	#10
The Circuit Can Order Her To Recuse	ProfessorGAC	Jun 2023	#36
She's not going to be the judge	relayerbob	Jun 2023	#5
She already is. Confirmed by the Clerk of the Court	Marius25	Jun 2023	#12
Who is Hugo Lowell?	SCantiGOP	Jun 2023	#17
Justice reporter for the Guardian	Marius25	Jun 2023	#26
She is to oversee the case..a lot different than trying the case!	PortTack	Jun 2023	#27
Overseeing the case refers to the trial	Marius25	Jun 2023	#29
Here's what is left out of that tweet..and has been mentioned many many times	PortTack	Jun 2023	#38
You quoted an article from yesterday.	Marius25	Jun 2023	#59
Trashing	PortTack	Jun 2023	#63
I agree	Dave says	Jun 2023	#7
I wouldn't count Jack Smith out so soon in the process	calguy	Jun 2023	#19
Sounds like good advice	Dave says	Jun 2023	#40
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2023	#23
Exactly..and if we look at what she did with all the special master nonsense, made ZERO difference	PortTack	Jun 2023	#30
This	calguy	Jun 2023	#64
Got it	Dave says	Jun 2023	#67
Jack Smith was correct.................	Lovie777	Jun 2023	#11
And he's going to lose the case with Cannon as the Judge	Marius25	Jun 2023	#14
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2023	#24
Her being the Judge is a near guarantee he will get away with this	Marius25	Jun 2023	#28
You've made your point. It's just as insulting to go on as if you have some insight, telling those	PortTack	Jun 2023	#32
I literally wrote a whole thread here saying we should be prepared for her to be the judge	Marius25	Jun 2023	#41
If you don't believe ppl like Joyce Vance, Glen Kurscher, Neil Katyal who have law degrees	PortTack	Jun 2023	#54
Lawrence Tribe said he's very worried about her as a judge	Marius25	Jun 2023	#57
I quit!	PortTack	Jun 2023	#58
Why listen to people with law degrees...	calguy	Jun 2023	#61
Oh yeah..right!	PortTack	Jun 2023	#66
This message was self-deleted by its author	democratsruletheday	Jun 2023	#25
I disagree. There were serious problems with any venue he might have chosen.	Scrivener7	Jun 2023	#39
No, Jack Smith Kows what he's Doing	Cha	Jun 2023	#13
On a similar note as the OP Capt. Sully did a crappy job landing that plane.	grantcart	Jun 2023	#51
Those guys at Iwo Jima did a sloppy job.	yardwork	Jun 2023	#93
THIS!!☝️	onetexan	Jun 2023	#87
Aloha onetexan..	Cha	Jun 2023	#99
Maybe, but my money is on Jack.	Joinfortmill	Jun 2023	#15
That opinion ignores the case currently in front of SCOTUS regarding venue, and what SCOTUS	RockRaven	Jun 2023	#16
Can stop now...how many threads have there been on this?	PortTack	Jun 2023	#18
I appreciate the sentiment, but Jack Smith has no authority to stop a federal judge	Marius25	Jun 2023	#21
So you think she would dismiss the case and then Mr. Smith might maybe appeal..really?	PortTack	Jun 2023	#34
And what if she refuses to allow key evidence and witness testimony?	Marius25	Jun 2023	#35
Maybe you will believe this expert knows what she's talking about	PortTack	Jun 2023	#45
I know who Joyce Vance is. Watch her every day.	Marius25	Jun 2023	#48
I give up! Hang on to your negativity..but JMHO get ready to eat crow	PortTack	Jun 2023	#53
Just being realistic. I don't think the power of positive thinking is going work here	Marius25	Jun 2023	#56
This message was self-deleted by its author	Marius25	Jun 2023	#49
So many it is obvious taunting in my opinion.	Kingofalldems	Jun 2023	#83
I do not think he had a choice.	Big Blue Marble	Jun 2023	#20
The crime occurred in Washington DC where he had stolen	Emile	Jun 2023	#50
It more clearly occurred in Palm Beach.	Big Blue Marble	Jun 2023	#103
The DC circuit, while in many ways very favorable to the prosecution in this case	dsc	Jun 2023	#22
If he had filed in DC, the case would have been thrown out and the optics would have looked terrible	Beautiful Disaster	Jun 2023	#33
Whatever happens in Florida, there is the bigger one, the insurrection one, and that is in	JohnSJ	Jun 2023	#42
I personally think this case is bigger.	Marius25	Jun 2023	#43
Last night Andrew Weissman said	MOMFUDSKI	Jun 2023	#44
Personally I don't think it was a random draw, I think it was intentional	Marius25	Jun 2023	#46
Even more ridiculous nonsense, lol	tritsofme	Jun 2023	#55
Mahalo for that from Andrew	Cha	Jun 2023	#69
Here's the thing...	AZSkiffyGeek	Jun 2023	#85
+100.	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#88
I'm reasonably sure	AZSkiffyGeek	Jun 2023	#90
Demoralizing but it ain't	Cha	Jun 2023	#98
Neither with this old truck driver.	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#100
Who gives up before it's over?!	Cha	Jun 2023	#101
Someone here with an obvious agenda.	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#102
What's the obvious agenda?	Marius25	Jun 2023	#107
This message was self-deleted by its author	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#108
I have no agenda other than to be very worried a bad judge is overseeing this case	Marius25	Jun 2023	#110
This message was self-deleted by its author	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#112
Exactly this!	edisdead	Jun 2023	#106
You people are so busy moving goalposts, it's ridiculous.	tritsofme	Jun 2023	#47
Here some OPs we can expect in the future	grantcart	Jun 2023	#60
Geez...	Spazito	Jun 2023	#52
Here's a suggestion: google Did Jack Smith Prosecute War Crimes Successfully	Hekate	Jun 2023	#62
His skill as a prosecutor has no bearing on how he can deal with a rogue judge	Marius25	Jun 2023	#70
Sure	Hekate	Jun 2023	#73
A clerk is not going to permanently assign the judge in this case,	gab13by13	Jun 2023	#65
Good point	PortTack	Jun 2023	#68
Reinhart was the one that approved the Mar a Lago search	Marius25	Jun 2023	#74
The Judges were drawn from a small pool that oversee West Palm Beach	Marius25	Jun 2023	#72
No matter what happens one thing's for sure	Tom Kitten	Jun 2023	#71
I think Florida is correct venue. Florida is where the conduct occurred	In It to Win It	Jun 2023	#75
Seems very strange, I heard their are 11 judges in the circuit and they just happen to	doc03	Jun 2023	#76
Supposedly it was out of a pool of like 4 or 5 assigned to West Palm Beach	Marius25	Jun 2023	#77
You can't blame anyone for being pessimistic about it. The last several years	doc03	Jun 2023	#80
That's why I'm so upset. The guy gets away with everything	Marius25	Jun 2023	#81
This message was self-deleted by its author	ancianita	Jun 2023	#111
The pool should be larger than 4 or 5 judges	In It to Win It	Jun 2023	#82
Should we give up and let Trump take over?	Kingofalldems	Jun 2023	#78
You do what you want.	Marius25	Jun 2023	#79
....	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#86
Moving out of the country	AZSkiffyGeek	Jun 2023	#89
Huh? nt	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#91
Not you....	AZSkiffyGeek	Jun 2023	#92
Ah, ok,	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	ancianita	Jun 2023	#84
Mahalo, ancianita! I hadn't seen that	Cha	Jun 2023	#104
Be patient. Jack Smith is likely already on it.	LiberalFighter	Jun 2023	#95
95 replies and only 3 Rec.,	MarineCombatEngineer	Jun 2023	#96
Nah She was deeply embarassed after being called out by her peers	Lucinda	Jun 2023	#97

Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:42 PM

pdxflyboy (628 posts)

1. I think Trump IS Satan.

N/T

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Response to pdxflyboy (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:07 PM

Maeve (41,909 posts)

31. That is a slur on Satan

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Response to Maeve (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:15 PM

kimbutgar (19,543 posts)

37. +1

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:43 PM

Peacetrain (22,741 posts)

2. As I understand it.. He had to file where the crime was uncovered.. that was Florida

That is what I took from some of the background stories I was reading.. we have other DU contributors who really know their stuff when it comes to issues like this.. I am sure they will check in..

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:47 PM

Bernardo de La Paz (46,720 posts)

6. Not me. But I read the same thing. Refusal to return was in Florida. Searched there

If the alleged crime was something like "taking classified docs" the taking occurred in D.C. But since "classified" has been muddied by the claim tRump can do it in his mind (but only while prez), it was strategic to charge with non-classified crimes to avoid that whole line of nonsense and delay, and they occurred in Florida.

I have zero legal training.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:23 PM

debm55 (11,200 posts)

105. But I always thought you tried the crime where it was commited--DC

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Response to debm55 (Reply #105)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:50 PM

onenote (41,008 posts)

109. None of the crimes alleged in the indictment occurred in DC.

If I steal something from you in DC, I can be charged with theft in DC. But if I'm arrested for possessing stolen property in Florida or for lying to the authorities about the theft or conspiring to mislead law enforcement, I'm going to be charged where those acts took place

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Response to onenote (Reply #109)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:58 PM

debm55 (11,200 posts)

113. Thank you. I see my mistake. And the indictment (read it this afternoon) was more centered on

Florida actitivies. Thank you.

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #2)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:48 PM

dem4decades (10,940 posts)

8. Much of the Grand Jury work was done in DC. Might as well of pissed in the wind bringing it to her

Trump wins again.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:44 PM

Tetrachloride (7,481 posts)

3. There's more than 1 road here. It's only the first few days of

the new front line.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:46 PM

ProfessorGAC (60,982 posts)

4. Where Are You Getting...

..."stuck with Aileen Cannon"?
I've read that the actual trial judge will be random draw & that she's just assigned to preliminaries.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:49 PM

dem4decades (10,940 posts)

9. You have to get through the preliminaries, how much time do you have?

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:50 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

10. She's going to be the trial judge unless she recuses herself

Link to tweet

?s=20

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:14 PM

ProfessorGAC (60,982 posts)

36. The Circuit Can Order Her To Recuse

It's specifically stated in the law.
Your putting the cart before the horse.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:47 PM

relayerbob (6,190 posts)

5. She's not going to be the judge

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Response to relayerbob (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:53 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

12. She already is. Confirmed by the Clerk of the Court

Link to tweet

?s=20

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:55 PM

SCantiGOP (13,552 posts)

17. Who is Hugo Lowell?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:00 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

26. Justice reporter for the Guardian

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:00 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

27. She is to oversee the case..a lot different than trying the case!

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Response to PortTack (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:03 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

29. Overseeing the case refers to the trial

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #29)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:16 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

38. Here's what is left out of that tweet..and has been mentioned many many times

https://www.nytimes.com › 2023 › 06 › 09 › us › politics › aileen-cannon-trump-judge.html
Trump-Appointed Judge Aileen Cannon Will Handle Documents Case - The ...
1 day agoFormer President Donald J. Trump's criminal indictment on charges stemming from his handling of classified documents will be overseen — at least initially — by a federal judge whom a higher court...

Paywall

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Response to PortTack (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:37 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

59. You quoted an article from yesterday.

This is updated today after the NYT talked to the Clerk of the Court.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #59)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:39 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

63. Trashing

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:47 PM

Dave says (4,444 posts)

7. I agree

This was an awfully big risk to take. Wasn’t removing the documents from the White House the initial crime? That took place in DC, that’s where the case should be tried. Too late, though; looks like the fix is in and the American people lose again.

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Response to Dave says (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:57 PM

calguy (4,563 posts)

19. I wouldn't count Jack Smith out so soon in the process

He impresses me as someone who does his home work and probably has a strategy for this.

And not to forget the J6 investigations is still going on, as well as that little matter in Georgia.

Make a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show.

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Response to calguy (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:18 PM

Dave says (4,444 posts)

40. Sounds like good advice

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Response to Post removed (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:03 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

30. Exactly..and if we look at what she did with all the special master nonsense, made ZERO difference

In the outcome…none.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:40 PM

calguy (4,563 posts)

64. This

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Response to Post removed (Reply #23)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:45 PM

Dave says (4,444 posts)

67. Got it

So, adult sir, no comment on my remark about venue? Since the first crime was removal of the documents from the White House, DC was a proper venue. And, in my child-like lay opinion, a less risky option. Of course, I have neither the knowledge and experience of Smith nor of you blah blah blah … just my lay opinion.

I liked your second paragraph.

(Note I did not mention J6 nor Georgia at all. I shared my opinion - fear, really - that the documents case is already in trouble with Cannon as judge, albeit poorly expressed. I’ll take the advice of the previous poster and grab some popcorn. I am already in bed a lot, adult sir, given I have a likely terminal cancer.)

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:52 PM

Lovie777 (9,854 posts)

11. Jack Smith was correct.................

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Response to Lovie777 (Reply #11)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:53 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

14. And he's going to lose the case with Cannon as the Judge

She will not allow a fair trial, much less a real sentence.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:01 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

28. Her being the Judge is a near guarantee he will get away with this

Cut out the insults.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:08 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

32. You've made your point. It's just as insulting to go on as if you have some insight, telling those

That disagree you know what is going to happen. nothing is a guarantee!

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Response to PortTack (Reply #32)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:18 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

41. I literally wrote a whole thread here saying we should be prepared for her to be the judge

People here chewed me out, demanded me delete the thread, and called my argument stupid and how dare I even bring it up.

Maybe don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about when I was right a few days ago about her.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:34 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

54. If you don't believe ppl like Joyce Vance, Glen Kurscher, Neil Katyal who have law degrees

And huge pedigrees then….

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Response to PortTack (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:36 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

57. Lawrence Tribe said he's very worried about her as a judge

He's a very famous Harvard law professor

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:37 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

58. I quit!

JUST MY OPINION Jack Smith has this one

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Response to PortTack (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:38 PM

calguy (4,563 posts)

61. Why listen to people with law degrees...

When there are so many on the internet who know so much more than they do.

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Response to calguy (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:42 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

66. Oh yeah..right!

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #14)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:17 PM

Scrivener7 (49,289 posts)

39. I disagree. There were serious problems with any venue he might have chosen.

Yes, Aileen is a serious problem. But in the end, she is really likely to just be a delay. The issues in DC were that the case could be ended.

He's got this.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:53 PM

Cha (289,490 posts)

13. No, Jack Smith Kows what he's Doing

in spite of anyone who thinks they know batter.

Article III, Section 2:

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.
******************************
"The mishandling of data happened in Florida. Obstruction happened in Florida. The trial has to happen in Florida".

And, Attribute you,GregariousGroundhog.. TY!!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17986981

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:27 PM

grantcart (53,061 posts)

51. On a similar note as the OP Capt. Sully did a crappy job landing that plane.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:43 PM

yardwork (58,205 posts)

93. Those guys at Iwo Jima did a sloppy job.

The flag was crooked. I don't know what they were thinking.

We shouldn't have landed men on the moon in 1969. There were too many other distractions. It got overshadowed. We should have waited until 1973 when there wasn't anything going on.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:40 PM

onetexan (12,613 posts)

87. THIS!!☝️

Hi Cha

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Response to onetexan (Reply #87)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:58 PM

Cha (289,490 posts)

99. Aloha onetexan..

Are you still across the Pond?

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:53 PM

Joinfortmill (12,820 posts)

15. Maybe, but my money is on Jack.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:54 PM

RockRaven (13,399 posts)

16. That opinion ignores the case currently in front of SCOTUS regarding venue, and what SCOTUS

might do to help TFG skate by molding their ruling to help him specifically given the timing of things.

Smith v US

Oral arguments were in late March. Ruling pending.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:56 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

18. Can stop now...how many threads have there been on this?

Jack Smith war crimes prosecutor is not going to let some rinky dink judge bring this case down. They have mountains of evidence..one, and two as has been mentioned he would be well within his rights to ask for another judge. the 11th circuit would make that decision…oh and who was it that dressed her down the last time??

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Response to PortTack (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:58 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

21. I appreciate the sentiment, but Jack Smith has no authority to stop a federal judge

She can literally dismiss the entire case if she wants. He could appeal it, but it's questionable whether he will and whether they will grant the motion since the 11th Circuit didn't claim she was biased.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:12 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

34. So you think she would dismiss the case and then Mr. Smith might maybe appeal..really?

And what do you think the 11th circuit would say to her with the kind of evidence they have?. Prosecutors like smith in federal court regardless of biased judges have a 95+% rate of conviction

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Response to PortTack (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:14 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

35. And what if she refuses to allow key evidence and witness testimony?

Or what if he manages to get convicted, and she gives him probation on charges that should be a life sentence?

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:22 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

45. Maybe you will believe this expert knows what she's talking about

Joyce Vance, a former U.S. attorney in Alabama, said the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has ordered the “reassignment” of judges who lean so heavily for a defendant that it calls into question their objectivity.

“This is persuasive authority that Judge Cannon must step aside if the case falls to her as a permanent assignment,” Vance said in a series of tweets.

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Response to PortTack (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:25 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

48. I know who Joyce Vance is. Watch her every day.

The Clerk of the Court says she's the Judge. I don't see the 11th Circuit removing her, because they didn't rule she was biased before, they just criticized her legal argument.

Now had the court said she showed extreme bias to the defendant, then I think it would be more likely.

Keep in mind, the 11th Circuit is extremely conservative. They're not going to just kick her off the case because she screwed up before.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #48)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:31 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

53. I give up! Hang on to your negativity..but JMHO get ready to eat crow

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Response to PortTack (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:35 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

56. Just being realistic. I don't think the power of positive thinking is going work here

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Response to PortTack (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:27 PM

Kingofalldems (37,641 posts)

83. So many it is obvious taunting in my opinion.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:57 PM

Big Blue Marble (4,496 posts)

20. I do not think he had a choice.

Indictments are filed where the crimes occur.

Listen to Lawfare Podcast for a great discussion around the issues of the judge and the venue.

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Response to Big Blue Marble (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:27 PM

Emile (16,427 posts)

50. The crime occurred in Washington DC where he had stolen

government property.

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Response to Emile (Reply #50)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:13 PM

Big Blue Marble (4,496 posts)

103. It more clearly occurred in Palm Beach.

He was still president when he moved the boxes out of the White House. It is much easier
to prove the crimes that occurred at Mar-a-largo.

Check the podcast I linked for more details.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:58 PM

dsc (51,929 posts)

22. The DC circuit, while in many ways very favorable to the prosecution in this case

has some very bad decisions in regard to venue in obstruction cases. I think he was stuck with Florida not sure what he can do about this judge.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:10 PM

Beautiful Disaster (667 posts)

33. If he had filed in DC, the case would have been thrown out and the optics would have looked terrible

The crime occurred in Florida.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:19 PM

JohnSJ (89,128 posts)

42. Whatever happens in Florida, there is the bigger one, the insurrection one, and that is in

Washington DC.

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Response to JohnSJ (Reply #42)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:20 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

43. I personally think this case is bigger.

Way more evidence, far more clear cut, and a more serious offense.

Proving Trump is guilty of seditious conspiracy is going to be much harder.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:22 PM

MOMFUDSKI (2,650 posts)

44. Last night Andrew Weissman said

Cannon was a bad draw and he thought Smith would be working on that situation Friday night and not going out to dinner and drinks. Nose to the grindstone

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Response to MOMFUDSKI (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:22 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

46. Personally I don't think it was a random draw, I think it was intentional

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #46)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:34 PM

tritsofme (16,213 posts)

55. Even more ridiculous nonsense, lol

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Response to MOMFUDSKI (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:47 PM

Cha (289,490 posts)

69. Mahalo for that from Andrew

Weissman.

I figured Jack Smith is Not going to Do All that Impeccable Work and have a bias trump judge ruin it for him and Us!

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Response to Cha (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:38 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (9,636 posts)

85. Here's the thing...

You don’t think that the administration is incompetent. The Eeyore crowd is convinced that TFG is an evil genius and is racking up victories and nothing can convince them otherwise. If it wasn’t Cannon there would be another reason why Smith, who they were praising over the incompetent Garland, had fucked up.
These posters never have a good word about any of the people investigating the crimes, yet they can’t stop themselves from getting excited about how TFG is going to get off.
And then double down whenever anyone points out how wrong they are.
I find that curious.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:41 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (10,864 posts)

88. +100.

Makes one wonder what the true agenda is.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #88)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:42 PM

AZSkiffyGeek (9,636 posts)

90. I'm reasonably sure

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #88)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:55 PM

Cha (289,490 posts)

98. Demoralizing but it ain't

working with this Glass 1/2 Full of Lemonade gal.

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Response to Cha (Reply #98)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:58 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (10,864 posts)

100. Neither with this old truck driver.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #100)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:07 PM

Cha (289,490 posts)

101. Who gives up before it's over?!

Jack the Knife!

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Response to Cha (Reply #101)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:08 PM

MarineCombatEngineer (10,864 posts)

102. Someone here with an obvious agenda.

Mahalo Cha.

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #102)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:47 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

107. What's the obvious agenda?

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Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #108)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:51 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

110. I have no agenda other than to be very worried a bad judge is overseeing this case

Why the personal attacks?

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 10:35 PM

edisdead (1,123 posts)

106. Exactly this!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:24 PM

tritsofme (16,213 posts)

47. You people are so busy moving goalposts, it's ridiculous.

I think Smith has a better idea of what he is doing than random internet guy.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:38 PM

grantcart (53,061 posts)

60. Here some OPs we can expect in the future

Captain Sully should have landed the stricken airliner at an airport not a river.

Shotei Ohtani should pitch or play outfield and hit home runs but not both.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:28 PM

Spazito (49,358 posts)

52. Geez...

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:39 PM

Hekate (86,320 posts)

62. Here's a suggestion: google Did Jack Smith Prosecute War Crimes Successfully

You can see just what kind of powder-puff this guy is.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #62)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:47 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

70. His skill as a prosecutor has no bearing on how he can deal with a rogue judge

Aileen Cannon can literally dismiss the trial with prejudice arguing it violated Trump's rights, and it can't be appealed.

Or she can be more subtle and not allow a serious voire dire process to find unbiased jurors. Or she could refuse to allow certain testimony as evidence.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #70)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:49 PM

Hekate (86,320 posts)

73. Sure

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:42 PM

gab13by13 (17,952 posts)

65. A clerk is not going to permanently assign the judge in this case,

simply because that makes zero sense, the trial is too important.

I kept hearing that the judge to preside over the case would be randomly drawn and I have seen no evidence that happened.

How many times has this law clerk assigned a judge? Is that the procedure?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #65)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:45 PM

PortTack (30,715 posts)

68. Good point

It’s my understanding from Lawrence O’Donnell that she wasn’t chosen, she’s there because she initially oversaw the case, as was the other judge..forget his name…the reasonable one

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Response to PortTack (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:51 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

74. Reinhart was the one that approved the Mar a Lago search

But that's not what the New York Times is saying here. They're saying she's the assigned trial judge.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #65)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:49 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

72. The Judges were drawn from a small pool that oversee West Palm Beach

Cannon is one of those judges and she got the case. So if you go by the "random wheel" argument about judicial assignments, there was about a 25% chance of her being the Judge and that's what happened.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:48 PM

Tom Kitten (7,165 posts)

71. No matter what happens one thing's for sure

We're doomed I tell ya!

DOOMED!!!

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:57 PM

In It to Win It (7,232 posts)

75. I think Florida is correct venue. Florida is where the conduct occurred

and therefore Florida is where the venue should be. Got the short end of the stick when it comes to the judge, but Florida is where it has to be.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:00 PM

doc03 (33,867 posts)

76. Seems very strange, I heard their are 11 judges in the circuit and they just happen to

randomly pick here the second time.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #76)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:03 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

77. Supposedly it was out of a pool of like 4 or 5 assigned to West Palm Beach

She's one of the 4 or 5

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #77)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:11 PM

doc03 (33,867 posts)

80. You can't blame anyone for being pessimistic about it. The last several years

every time it looks like they got him on something someone like Comey, Barr or Cannon saves his ass.
At the very least there will delay after delay until at least after the election.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:13 PM

Marius25 (2,931 posts)

81. That's why I'm so upset. The guy gets away with everything

and it looks like it will happen again.

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Response to Marius25 (Reply #77)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:20 PM

In It to Win It (7,232 posts)

82. The pool should be larger than 4 or 5 judges

Under the District's rules, judges within the division, West Palm Beach, or a neighboring division (Fort Lauderdale division to the south; Fort Pierce division to the north) could have been assigned the case.

I'm pretty there sure there are more than 4 or 5 judges in these 3 divisions, but not much more. Maybe like 6 or 7. These are not very huge divisions.

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Response to Marius25 (Original post)

Sat Jun 10, 2023, 09:08 PM

Kingofalldems (37,641 posts)