High school basketball players brutally beaten for Tebowing

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Two South Carolina boys basketball players were slammed to the ground, punched and kicked “to the point of vomiting” for Tebowing during the game.

Following a 20-point win, the Wando (S.C.) students were beaten by fans of West Ashley (S.C).

The students celebrated during the game by getting down on one knee in Tebow’s signature pose.

The incident was first reported by the Charleston Post and Courier.

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http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/01/17/high-school-basketball-players-brutally-beaten-for-tebowing/?tsp=1

[Ian David]

1. Not kewl. n/t

[democrat_patriot]

2. More like they were beaten for taunting?

It just happened to be a 'tebow'.

So - it will soon be 'beaten for being christian'...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Yep. They were beat up in the hallway leaving the game.

The paper's headline doesn't even resemble the reported facts of the story.

[KamaAina]

12. I've often thought that "Tebowing" would be a penalty in collge football

under today's rules, at any rate. "Drawing attention to yourself" is considered unsportsmanlike conduct, a 15-yard penalty.

[arcane1]

3. No fair! I clicked on this thinking it was related to some weird sex act

Imagine my disappointment

[GoneOffShore]

35. If you tebow you can get santorum on the sheets.

[LiberalFighter]

83. Gross!

[GoneOffShore]

84. Thank you!

Now we just have to find something nasty for Gingrich and Romney - Google bombing can be fun!

How about: If you tebow with a gingrich you'll get santorum on the sheets unless you romney it first.

[Kalidurga]

4. I don't particularly like Tebow...

However, this Tebowing craze is really cute. I get a smile every time I see someone do this. It is disgusting anyone would beat another person up for celebrating a victory. I hope these thugs that beat those players up get a good long time out in prison.

[ret5hd]

8. Yeah, cute is one word. You used it in a syntactically correct manner. Maybe not the most accurate t

[Enrique]

5. the link to Tebowing is tenuous

from the original story, there is a history of violence with these teams.

[geardaddy]

16. Agreed.

[cthulu2016]

6. This is not religious bigotry, in case anyone was wondering

This was an (unjustified) fan reaction to being taunted after a loss.

But I have no doubt the war on prayer will soon join the war on Christmas.

[undeterred]

57. It could be religious bigotry.

Nobody has the right to bully someone or beat them up for "tebowing" any more than they do for holding hands.

[LeftinOH]

9. South Carolina. Are there any sane people there?

[markpkessinger]

74. <Crickets> . . . <Crickets> . . . n/t

[WingDinger]

10. Those pieces of shit tebowing, are claiming God wants the other side to lose.

Poor sportsmanship. Same with Tebow.

Just like the Santorum aide saying it is against God's will for women being in positions of authority.

Just like saying God wants Rethugs to rule, thus the poor should suffer.

Making God perform, especially immoral acts, got people harmed. Even tappping a rock twice, instead of once, got the Jews lost in the desert, for forty years.

[joeglow3]

11. Could they be genuine?

If someone truly is religious and thanks their God, are they automatically "pieces of shit?"

[WolverineDG]

13. It's ok to call them pieces of shit

Because they're Christians, allegedly. If they were of any other faith & got pounded for a similar religious display, the outrage meter on DU would kick into overdrive.

[Occulus]

32. If the religion didn't call some of us "abominations" you'd see it a lot less.

Probably a whole lot less.

[joeglow3]

34. So, prejudicing entire groups of people for the actions of others is cool?

Wow. This is DU, right?

[WingDinger]

51. How many references are there in the bible that proscribe that activity?

MANY. Why is it OK to flout the bible, and then boast your bona fides?

[joeglow3]

64. If you cannot see the holes in your logic, you never will.

[WingDinger]

78. Furthermore, it proscribes being contentious christians.

So, being a hypocrite, and a shit disturber christian, is plainly railed against.

Right wingers only care about one thing lately. Spewing bile. And the more bile spewed, the more electable/holy you are.

[leftyohiolib]

23. yep thats du where bashing christians is fashion

for example the post below, #14

[WingDinger]

49. And what if the criticism comes christians that are sick to death of pharisees?

And having to explain how you are not one of THOSE christians.

Just like most liberals started calling themselves progressives, to avoid the insinuations.

[leftyohiolib]

54. i call myself progressive to distiguish my line of thinking from coporate democrats

but i'll answer to liberal or progressive or democrat. i dont see too much criticism coming from christians here but alot of it the other way around

[WingDinger]

60. Yes, and it is hypocrites, that cause good people to pass on GOD's love,

because most christians{fundies} are haters.

[Lance_Boyle]

14. They are probably hypocrites.

Real christains would be praying in the closet, like that jeebus guy supposedly once told them to.

On the other hand, isn't the most basic doctrine of christainity that we are all born "pieces of shit" and can only rise above that status by slavish obedience to pedophiles in funny hats?

[bighart]

19. Your second statement is partially correct:

"On the other hand, isn't the most basic doctrine of christainity that we are all born "pieces of shit" (correct part) and can only rise above that status by slavish obedience to pedophiles in funny hats (incorrect part) ? The actual way to rise above is to "love your neighbor as yourself" ie treat everyone with the same respect and graciousness you expect to be treated with.

Kind of agree with the first part, however if they were indeed praying and that prayer included thankfulness that no one was injured during the game that would be different.

Sounds like the animosity level between these two schools is already high and this was just an excuse for a beat down.

[Lance_Boyle]

22. I get the idea that, as someone stated above,

the "Tebowing" was more gloating than sincere reverence. That's not sportsmanlike, nor is it something to be undertaken on the losing team's turf while the sting is fresh.

[bighart]

25. How would we know that?

[LanternWaste]

20. only if one reads the passage literally and without room for textual criticism...

"Real christains would be praying in the closet..."

If and only if one reads the passage literally and without room for textual criticism... but no one really does that, right?

But I understand the desire to label them as hypocrites-- it's an easy and convenient label.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. "it's an easy and convenient label"

Truer words were never spoken. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. The passage says 'when you pray, do not do so in public as the hypocrites do' and then

it says 'at home, in your closet' which means 'do not do this for show'. Jesus said those who pray for others to see are hypocrites. It was easy and convenient and he did it. Textual criticism does not change 'do not do this' to 'well, perhaps you should'.
I'd like to hear this 'textual criticism'.

[bongbong]

27. Real Christians

> Real christains would be praying in the closet, like that jeebus guy supposedly once told them to.

That's in the New Testament. All good American "Christians" know only the Old Testament needs to be followed since it is filled with violence, sex, revenge, and murder. The New Testament, especially The Sermon On The Mount, is to be ignored if you live south of the Mason-Dixon line.

(sorry for all the stereotypes; they may not apply in 100% of the cases, but I'll bet 0.000001% of Mitten's wealth that they apply in >50%)

[Bluenorthwest]

36. According to Jesus if they do so as a public display they are automatically hypocrites.

There is that to consider. That's what I call them too.

[WingDinger]

46. I am a christian. And it states quite clearly, do it in your closet.

Showy pharisee prayer, is lame, and bound to be offputting in circumstances where it is you or them.

How much clearer could it be?

Those that do pray publically, and not some sports general call for god's safety for all, are what is referred to as a stumbling block.

I would like to know why fundies want famous pharisees, if not to stick it to those heathens. Thumbing your nose at atheists.

Try shaking your head at me, with a derisive there but for the grace of God go I, and I too would get irate.

[joeglow3]

66. It states quite clearly don't do it in public for the express purpose of showing off.

Otherwise, every single service would be in complete contradiction to this message (in addition to every time Jesus held public prayers).

[guitar man]

29. In all fairness

I did see a boxer get the hell beat out of him after he did the knee in the corner thing

[WingDinger]

47. The implication is, God makes me a winner.

Not pick up your cross and follow me, but the calvinist conception of, if you are not a winner, it is because of some sin you are not copping to.

Same reason why when bad things befall you, churchy persons will shun you. Or scold you adding insult to injury.

The whole JOB thing dealt with that. None of his contemporaries would consider the possibility that a good person could have bad luck.

[Drahthaardogs]

52. Oh nonsense!

Troy Palamalu crosses himself many times before, during, and after a game. Bernie Kosar used to do it too. Tebow is not Catholic so he does not cross himself, but bows for a moment of prayer. You know, some people are praying that they can do their best, not get hurt, etc. Tebow himself has said he does not believe God has any interest in a football game. How do you know for what reason he prays?

[varelse]

17. There is apparently some less than friendly rivalry between the two high school basketball teams

And this isn't the first incident.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2012/jan/14/2-wando-students-beaten-at-game/

"The incident marked the second consecutive year that the contest has turned violent, raising concerns that security isn't sufficient. In January 2010, a Wando parent was charged with punching a West Ashley teacher. "

[bowens43]

21. I have no idea what that means. Is that some kind perverse sexual act or something?

[TlalocW]

28. No, but with the help of Google bombing... It could be.

It just refers to Tim Tebow going down on one knee because he thinks God cares who wins football games.

TlalocW

[ProgressiveProfessor]

75. Actually Tebow has said the opposite

Read up thread

[gratuitous]

24. Religious bigotry by atheists, I'll warrant

You know how offended atheists get whenever anyone even tangentially invokes a deity.

Will this post be deleted for prejudice or bigotry, or will it be seen as a simple declaration of subjective truth, and some folks should just develop thicker skins? Our faultless DU juries will tell . . .

[leftyohiolib]

26. you know the answer to that

post 14 just called all priests pedofiles

[Scout]

31. yes, some folks SHOULD develop thicker skins ... those who are religious. n/t

[leftyohiolib]

53. is that what you tell gay people who are picked on to just grow a thicker skin

you tell that to women who feel theyve been sexually harassed just grow thicker skin, of course not in fact when those kinds of stories hit here the fury against the antagonist knows no bounds. those who are religious should just shut up and accept the intolerance shown to them here. wow hypocracy on DEMOCRATIC underground. its shameful

[Scout]

79. yes, in some cases all those people might need a thicker skin...

depends on the circumstances.

and i've been told that PLENTY so get over yourself.

[leftyohiolib]

80. or maybe they should be able to expect less ridicule for their beliefs from people

on a democratic forum no matter how thick their skin is. maybe its not the ridiculing itself thats the problem but the fact that it comes from a group of people (myself included) that demand tolerance for others and their beliefs. as for getting over myself i dont know what that means.

[joeybee12]

30. I don't approve of the violence...but this s*it happens a lot

after games...to tie it into Teblowing is simply trying to make it sound like an atack against Christians.

[GoneOffShore]

85. I remember driving school buses back in the late 60's

One time I had to drive a lacrosse team for a private school. They lost the match but won the fight afterwards.

[Taverner]

33. Methinks there is more to this story....

[DavidDvorkin]

48. Yup. Methinks the same.

[surfdog]

39. I could care less

They openly worship a God that wants me murdered

Deuteronomy 17 if anybody wants to look it up

And they wonder why they can't get respect

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. Imagine the response if the two young men were beaten after

sharing a kiss.

I'm a little dismayed that some here regard being beaten after a non-threatening, rather benign, if not silly, act as grounds for being savagely beaten. When did a progressive site start dismissing acts of violence against peaceful people?

[surfdog]

41. Peaceful?

They worship a God that wants nonbelievers murdered

[Nuclear Unicorn]

42. Is that what tebowing stands for?

Seriously?

And if their god demands the death of non-believers the christians seem to be doing a pretty poor job of executing their marching orders. Good grief.

[surfdog]

44. don't be confused

T Boeing is praying to the Christian god make no mistake about it

[Nuclear Unicorn]

45. I understand the part about tebowing being a religious act

It's the rancid bigotry and lies I can't figure out.

[undeterred]

58. We are only selectively tolerant, you see.

We don't tolerate the Duggars or other people who practice their faith either.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. I suspect the beaters thought they were MOCKING Tebow

I find the idea of gangs of intolerant Atheists in SC a tad hard to believe.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

65. Have you seen the gangs of intolerant atheists at DU?

Supposedly tebowing is a call to exterminate unbelievers so no condemnation of the pummeling is to be forthcoming.

Or so I've been told.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. Sorry, nice try.

Let's leave it at this: The beating is unacceptable no matter the reason... but if, upon further details of the story coming out, this ACTUALLY turns out to have been "unbelievers beating players for tebowing" and NOT, say, "your high school sucks and ours rules" or "don't you dare make fun of Tebow"...

THEN I WILL EAT MY HAT.

Hat=Eat.

Okay?

[markpkessinger]

77. I don't think people are dismissing the violence here . . .

. . . What I read in most of the posts here is an objection to the implied assumption that goes unchallenged in the OP and the linked article in the OP, to wit, that the two young men were beaten because they engaged in an act of religious devotion. The beatings were wrong regardless of what act precipitated them, and no one is denying that. Pointing out that the real precipitating factor here was more likely the taunting aspect of of the "Tebowing," rather than its purported religious aspect, is not giving a pass on the beatings at all; it is merely calling out a rather dishonest assertion made in the OP.

Speaking as one who is both a gay man and a Christian (of the Episcopalian variety), I call foul on the false comparison you are making here. Look, the article is a pretty transparent attempt to feed into the "Christians are under attack" meme that is currently all the rage among Christian conservatives. Are Christian views sometimes subject to ridicule and mockery in this country? Yes, of course -- as are the beliefs of other religions, as well as non-religious groups. Freedom of religion does not imply freedom from criticism, be it fair or unfair, nor does it imply freedom from mockery and ridicule. But conservative Christians will be only too eager to jump on this story as evidence of anti-Christian "bullying," because it plays into their need to believe they are being "oppressed" (despite the fact that they are a culturally hegemonic group that attempts to hide behind it's own persecution complex in order to oppress others).

[surfdog]

81. The gay community isnt ....

Calling for unbelievers to be exterminated but the Christian faith does call for nonbelievers to be exterminated

Nice try though

Deuteronomy 17 if you need to look it up

[Nuclear Unicorn]

82. So the sermons calling for this action would be multitude, right?

It should be easily documented as an on-going and persistent threat.

[Electric Monk]

43. Matthew 6:6

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A6&version=NIV

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. Tsk. To get any justice in DU Court, they'd have to have been bowing to Mecca. nt

[Electric Monk]

56. BS nt

[Arugula Latte]

55. Oh jeez. This is being spun as more "poor persecuted Christians!" propaganda.

[undeterred]

61. boys basketball players were slammed to the ground, punched and kicked “to the point of vomiting”

spun?

[Warren DeMontague]

63. I strongly suspect there is more to this story. But, whatever the 'reason'

the act is reprehensible.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

70. You missed.... a whole bunch.

Not to mention odds are significant the perps were also "christians"

The incident marked the second consecutive year that the contest has turned violent, raising concerns that security isn't sufficient. In January 2010, a Wando parent was charged with punching a West Ashley teacher.

[undeterred]

72. How can we have a discussion about "odds"?

You think you know something that isn't explicitly stated by "odds"?

[Red Mountain]

67. It seems that way......

And yet the best guess we have (based on the relevant demographics) is that it is Christian on Christian violence.

Not terribly surprising in a fundie state that one group would be offended by another group implying divine favor in their victory.

They all think they own god.

Or it might be that school rivalry gone bad thing.

I'm guessing this had very little to do with religion.

Very little.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. Atheists will get blamed for it, no matter what the actual story is.

Just watch.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

71. But of course!! No TRUE christian would beat up another christian!

ergo... must be an athiest!!

[Warren DeMontague]

76. I suspect this has more to do with the 20 point win, than anything else.

Just a hunch.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. South Carolina is known to be a hotbed of Atheistic, Anti-Christian intolerance.

The "Dawkins Kings" and "Darwins Monkeys" street gangs are known to viciously defend their turf against the oppressed Christian minority.

[chrisa]

73. Get over your stupid sports you pieces of crap

It's just a game.