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cloudythescribbler

(2,586 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 02:09 AM Jan 2012

Is there a list of where all Congresspersons stand on SOPA/PIPA? Where?

It would seem that with all the attention focused here and elsewhere (like Wikipedia) on this matter, that somewhere there should be an updated list of which Congresspeople have committed one way or the other on these issues and whose positions remain unknown.

I would like to know where there are links or discussions, other than the NY Times, and the reports of the six members of Congress who have flipped against them

Which members of Congress are leading the charge against these bills, and has anyone drawn up a replacement bill to address privacy in a way that the EFF would support?

Plz pardon my ignorance about this issue -- I am not really adept on the web

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BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
6. Uh Huh- and Boxer among others
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:51 AM
Jan 2012

I keep thinking I MUST be reading the info wrong.
PLEASE, tell me I am just a confused girl...
BHN

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
12. The only consolation is that the source is a current position thing...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jan 2012

they could (like Rubio for example) change their mind.

Sorry, had to use a Repug example because it just happened...

Owlet

(1,248 posts)
17. Just sent this to Senator Blumenthal
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:42 AM
Jan 2012

Waste of time sending anything to our other Senator - Asshole Lieberman'

"I was very disappointed to see that you are a co-sponsor of PIPA - the proposal to basically allow government censorship of the internet. My wife and I have been long-time supporters of yours and are saddened to think that you would be in favor of such a measure. Our representative, Joe Courtney, is opposed to the House equivalent of this bill (SOPA), and I would urge you to talk with him to perhaps persuade you to change your opinion on this matter.

You have long had the respect and admiration of the voters of Connecticut for your stands in opposition too the misuse of corporate power. PIPA is clearly in that category. I hoope that you will reconsider your position and not tarnish your well-deserved reputation as a champion of 'the little guy'"

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
2. Holy Shit! Boxer is in the Gallery of Rogues, AGAIN! As is Brad Sherman...
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:20 AM
Jan 2012

Well, this visual graph certainly gives us clarity as to who MUST GO.
I am now ashamed that I ever voted for and supported Barbara Boxer.
SHAME on you BB.
BHN

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Here is a list with the money they are getting from the music industry
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:27 AM
Jan 2012
http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/pipa#roll_call

Very depressing when you look at who is supporting this bill and then you look at how much money they are getting from the movie/music industry. If this isn't a graphic picture of the influence of money over our government, nothing is.

http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act_Senate_whip_count

This link shows who is on the fence and needs to be called, who is a 'yes' and who is a 'no' so far.

So many Democrats on the wrong side of this.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
5. Someone PLEASE tell me I am reading these info pages WRONG!
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:45 AM
Jan 2012

I can not believe how many Democrats have voted in support.
Have we officially gone through the looking glass?
They don't even PRETEND to represent "we the people" anymore?
WTF is going on?
PLEASE tell me I don't know how to read these stats!
BHN

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Unfortunately you are reading the stats correctly.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:10 AM
Jan 2012

Huge outrage today over those Democrats, especially since many of them are supposed to be the 'good democrats'. What I want to know is someone holding a gun to their heads because aside from the money, I cannot think of any other good reason why any Democrat would be supporting these bills.

Check out Harry Reid and Schumer eg, the amount of money they both received, nearly half a million each last year, and someone convince me that this is not the reason for their support for this bill.

What's even more sad is that it's the Republicans, Issa eg, who are withdrawing their support. I agree, it's like we went through the looking glass.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
9. IT IS OFFICIAL! WE HAVE CROSSED THE RUBICON.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:45 AM
Jan 2012

I kept looking at the voting stats and kept thinking, "I must be reading these wrong..."
No such luck.

So, the question at hand is what country to move to-
Me, I prefer one where people are educated, read books, and foster a sense
of community survival.

I don't care if I am impoverished by this whole trend in the US to
grab ALL the wealth and resources of this country- I just don't
want to go down among ignorant, evangelical bigots and hypocrites.

Where do we set up shop? This one is closed and burning to the ground, AND
most importantly, I don't want to wait until is is impossible to escape the impending
fascism whose goal is to keep us here- our assets for them to continue to plunder, setting up a
serf society ruled by the Elite, yada, yada.

I WANT OUT.

BHN

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. I'd like to go to Norway, but I bet they have a long, long list of
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:47 AM
Jan 2012

people wanting to go there. They seem to have figured out how to create and sustain a decent society that puts people first.

BeHereNow

(17,162 posts)
11. At this point, any where but here-
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:54 AM
Jan 2012

Anywhere we can stay off the radar is fine with me.
My daughter backpacked Europe last summer- she really liked Berlin and Amsterdam.
Hey. if they are educated and don't fear education like Tucson banning Shakespeare,
I willing to go.

BHN

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. Schumer is no surprise and he won't listen to the people either.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:42 AM
Jan 2012

Both he and Gillibrand are receiving a lot of money from the Music/Movie industries. Seems when you look at the list of who is for or against this, just look at the biggest amounts of money in the righthand column at this link, then look at the 'yes' votes next to the names of the biggest recipients of those donations.

http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/pipa#roll_call

The examples below are those who received the most money. The first amount next to the names is from the Movies/Music Ind and the second figure is from the Computers/Internet Ind. These are from 2010 for the campaign. All except Patty Murray so far, are a 'yes'.



Movies/Music/TV ~ Computers/Internet

Murray, Patty D WA $99,166 $363,129 19 Unknown

Boxer, Barbara D CA $571,600 $348,691 19 Yes

Reid, Harry D NV $500,300 $299,448 25 Yes

Schumer, Charles D NY $494,325 $291,384 13 Yes

Gillibrand, KirstenD NY $360,541 $217,750 3 Yes

Bennet, Michael D CO $367,733 $162,575 3 Yes

Leahy, Patrick D VT $346,056 $140,620 37 Yes

McCain, John R AZ $104,472 $116,318 25 Yes

Shelby, Richard R AL $28,000 $101,250 25 Unknown

Grassley, Charles R IA $111,150 $92,976 31 Yes


However there are a lot of undecideds who need to be called and some Republicans have dropped their support.

This is a shame, as it shows clearly how money can buy votes. And as the guy in your linked video says, these Reps probably know nothing about the Internet, it's probably all a big mystery to them so they vote for those who give them money. Just as they do on so many issues, without even reading the bills sometimes. This is the system that is destroying this democracy.
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
15. Both my Senators (California for crissakes) supported it.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:56 AM
Jan 2012

It's a shitstain of ignorance and special interest bribes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
16. Those are now mine also in CA. And I was in NY so I'm familiar with both Schumer and
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:06 AM
Jan 2012

Gillibrand who I was not thrilled with and now definitely not.

That list is like a photograph of the 'money in politics'. Shameful and no one can deny it anymore. I guess they didn't not expect the uproar though. They are so used to getting away with this stuff. Disgusting.

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