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Democrats Against Obama are (Original Post) Aida F Jan 2012 OP
Who says there are democrats against Obama?? Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #1
No, no, no. It's the Democarats that are against Obama. tammywammy Jan 2012 #5
I agree. Democarats against Obama are indeed idiots. provis99 Jan 2012 #2
yawn. flame bait. roguevalley Jan 2012 #3
Every election, same old tired argument... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #37
I don't like any Democarats. tammywammy Jan 2012 #4
Obviously, Democarats are 1-percenters :) pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #6
Thanks for the spellcheck!!! Aida F Jan 2012 #7
They're not the only ones who will get a living hell, so will the rest of us. nt gateley Jan 2012 #8
If you are going to call carats idiots then you need to join in the discussion Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #9
Hello Aida! Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #10
ROFLMFAO Caretha Jan 2012 #30
Calling me an "idiot" is a very poor start at "winning" my vote 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #11
You do know NDAA passed with a veto-proof 86-14 vote, right? AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #12
Shhhh. Obama is KING. Don't ruin it for everybody! FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #13
I told him not to wear the pointy hat in public. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #16
Funny Pic.. nice +1 ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #19
That crown doesn't have real jewels in it. Just demo-carats. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #49
He still didn't have to stoop to actually signing it. 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #17
Glad to see those recent developments too. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #21
You just made me smile really big 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #22
If the Democrats really believed that his threat to veto was any more than a bluff MNBrewer Jan 2012 #23
Translation: You just don't understand politics. EFerrari Jan 2012 #26
That's G 47 on my card. MinervaX Jan 2012 #34
how many arms did obama twist to get democrats to vote nay on ndaa? frylock Jan 2012 #43
The right question! texshelters Jan 2012 #48
So, why try to defeat a bill texshelters Jan 2012 #46
There is a difference between a vote on a bill and a vote to override a veto. morningfog Jan 2012 #61
Really? 1stlady Jan 2012 #15
Read my post again 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #18
You should totally base your vote on sufrommich Jan 2012 #33
Oh gee, what was I thinking? 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #38
We aren't going to beg you for your vote treestar Jan 2012 #44
My point was 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #47
Not a big fan of name-calling, but welcome to DU. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #14
funny how now with DU3 99th_Monkey Jan 2012 #20
I hope you're not working for the Obama campaign. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #24
Idiots? No. DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #25
More name calling texshelters Jan 2012 #50
Unrec. emilyg Jan 2012 #27
of course they are booley Jan 2012 #28
No, they're "fucking retarded" or "fucking retards" or whatever Rahmulous said datasuspect Jan 2012 #29
Reread your comment texshelters Jan 2012 #53
Just because I disagree with some of the POTUS' hifiguy Jan 2012 #31
We saw what happened when Bush II took over from Clinton WI_DEM Jan 2012 #32
How is your post encouraging folks to vote for Obama? bigwillq Jan 2012 #35
Some Democrats are "holding his feet to the fire" as he requested. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #36
PPR! Posting privileges revoked! Buh-bye, Aida! ;) n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2012 #39
Huh! I wonder what made that happen tkmorris Jan 2012 #40
Read the transparency page. William769 Jan 2012 #41
"Telling another member to fuck off." Robb Jan 2012 #55
I'm just providing the information. William769 Jan 2012 #58
Copy that. Robb Jan 2012 #59
I do miss the ol' tombstone. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #52
bye Aida F! quinnox Jan 2012 #42
Awesome post! whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #51
I must be the smart on here texshelters Jan 2012 #54
Awww progressoid Jan 2012 #56
Aida F has left the building Autumn Jan 2012 #57
You're either with us or against us - George Bush L0oniX Jan 2012 #60
How about those of us who disagree with a great deal of what he has done? Marrah_G Jan 2012 #62
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. Calling me an "idiot" is a very poor start at "winning" my vote
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:25 AM
Jan 2012

for Obama's 2nd term.

Obama has done MANY things I strongly object to (NDAA being chief
among them), but there's STILL a reasonably good chance that I will
STILL vote for him in Nov. ... I'd bet money on it.

But every comment like yours that I hear or see, between now and Nov.
will lessen the odds of my winning the bet.

If you want to wax elequent to exert meaningful pressure for a better
world, please address it to Obama, not to Lib/Dems who have been
wondering what the fuck happened to Mr. Hope and Change on the way
to the Inauguration.

I've not seen a more classic case of generating "unintended consequences"
than your post.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
12. You do know NDAA passed with a veto-proof 86-14 vote, right?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:36 AM
Jan 2012

If Pres O had vetoed it, Congress had enough votes to overturn the veto making the president look weak ... and it still would become law. Signing it effected the exact same outcome as not signing it.

If you want to blame someone, I would suggest you direct your attention at the weasel Democrats in Congress that aided and abetted Republicans in pushing this travesty through.

You are responsible for your own vote. Nobody is going to spoon-feed it to you, so stop trying to recruit people to blame for your lack of clarity.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
17. He still didn't have to stoop to actually signing it.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:03 AM
Jan 2012

then there's him hiring Wall St. insiders to "fix" Wall St., Holder's DoJ obsession with
raiding legal pot dispensaries (in violation of state law), continuing the obscene War
on Drugs (read War on People of Color who get caught with a refer), .. you know the
list as well as I do..

On Edit: just to say, I am TOTALLY encouraged by Obama's recent stance on both
Tar Sands and SOPA, where he seems to be growing a spine... absolutely LOVE these
developments, and will continue to give credit where it is due.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
23. If the Democrats really believed that his threat to veto was any more than a bluff
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:33 AM
Jan 2012

and it was a bluff, they wouldn't have voted for the bill. Obama effectively communicated that he wanted the bill passed, so the Dems voted for it.

texshelters

(1,979 posts)
46. So, why try to defeat a bill
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jan 2012

that has a detention section that is un-Constitutional in it? Why veto a bill and work with your party to make it better? Why fight and stand up for the rights of Americans? Why work to defend the rights of America? Why not just cede your role as president and the leadership of your party because you might lose while being on the right side of a moral issue? The truth is Obama wasn't that opposed to the bill.

His lack of fight against diminution of our rights and other Republican style laws are exactly the reasons many Democrats don't fully back Obama this time.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
61. There is a difference between a vote on a bill and a vote to override a veto.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jan 2012

The two are not synonymous, although such a wide margin is obviously not in a President's favor. We will never know how a veto and a re-framing by the President would have changed the debate. IMO, even with an override, he would have appeared stronger. He would have come across as one with conviction.

I blame the republicans, the Democrats in Congress and the President who signed the bill.

 

1stlady

(122 posts)
15. Really?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:46 AM
Jan 2012

So the op has to win your vote for Obama's 2nd term. I thought that was Obama's job to win your vote. The choice is simple, you can either vote for Obama, or live in rethuglican hell. Its your choice.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
18. Read my post again
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:05 AM
Jan 2012

I encouraged OP to address their ire to Obama, not me.

I'm not the fucking President.

How exactly is that asking OP to "win my vote" again?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
44. We aren't going to beg you for your vote
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:05 PM
Jan 2012

Rather silly to use your vote to get attention in this way. There are millions of us with votes. They are meaningless until tallied up.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
45. My point was
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:15 PM
Jan 2012

that name-calling (ie YOU IDIOT!!) is not only against DU TOS,
it's also counter-productive.

Do you not agree?

Response to treestar (Reply #44)

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
20. funny how now with DU3
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:12 AM
Jan 2012

one must click on poster's name to find out how many posts they have made on DU,
whereas it was clearly visible just by reading the post w/ DU2.

texshelters

(1,979 posts)
50. More name calling
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jan 2012

well done.

Just because we disagree doesn't mean we are naive or idiots. Stop acting like Republicans with the name calling and unsupported comments.

PTxS

booley

(3,855 posts)
28. of course they are
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jan 2012

Don't worry about WHY they might oppose Obama or who they are or if they have a point.

Lets group people worried over stuff like the NDAA and treatment of whistleblowers and those who don't think Obama is doing enough along with birthers and racists. Yes clearly they are all the same.

And calling them idiots will surely make them see the error of their ways better then any dialogue will.

We save time and energy.

texshelters

(1,979 posts)
53. Reread your comment
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:20 PM
Jan 2012

and look in the mirror.

Disagreeing is no excuse for your ad hominem attacks.

It only makes you look uneducated.

PTxS

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. Just because I disagree with some of the POTUS'
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:52 PM
Jan 2012

policies - and I do so fairly often with considerable vigor - does not mean I am "against" him given the alternatives.

Dissent, it should be remembered, does not equal disloyalty or support of a Repuke.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
32. We saw what happened when Bush II took over from Clinton
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:54 PM
Jan 2012

but it's just getting worse now. Yet, there are those who say there is no difference between Obama and the GOP.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
35. How is your post encouraging folks to vote for Obama?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 01:03 PM
Jan 2012

Name-Calling isn't a very good strategy, imo.


Welcome to DU!

texshelters

(1,979 posts)
54. I must be the smart on here
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

for I am not a registered Democrat. I do vote so in most cases though.

And as others have stated, insults do not produce support or make you look educated or event intelligent.

Peace,
Tex Shelters

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
62. How about those of us who disagree with a great deal of what he has done?
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:19 PM
Jan 2012

Are we allowed to voice our opinions? Are we allowed to uphold the same ideals we always have?

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