New York Times Editorial Board Calls for Biden to Step Aside

[Prairie Gates]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

As it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble. There are Democratic leaders better equipped to present clear, compelling and energetic alternatives to a second Trump presidency. There is no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Mr. Trump’s deficiencies and those of Mr. Biden. It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.

Never seen that before.

[Think. Again.]

1. Yeah, didn't see that coming.

[CurtEastPoint]

2. So they support the one person that all of NYC despises. F U NYT.

[Prairie Gates]

4. Doesn't seem so

If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. To make a call for a new Democratic nominee this late in a campaign is a decision not taken lightly, but it reflects the scale and seriousness of Mr. Trump’s challenge to the values and institutions of this country and the inadequacy of Mr. Biden to confront him.

[kelly1mm]

92. President Trump got 691,682 votes in NYC in 2020, 22.7% of the votes cast. So 'all of NYC' despising

him would be a (slight) exaggeration.

[a kennedy]

3. Oh fawk them.

One of my sister’s best friends, is a staunch NYT reader and believer. First news she reads with her cup of coffee.

[tman]

5. So predictable. lol

[Prairie Gates]

9. Seriously? It's kind of historical, no?

[tman]

13. Yeah, but somehow very predictable of them.

I assume they have called for Trump to step aside in light of his recent convictions?

[PatSeg]

25. That's a good point

That should have been their response to his 34 convictions. Damn, this really sucks.

[NoRethugFriends]

54. no not a good point.

They would ask me asking Biden to drop out because they don't want Trump to win. Asking Trump to drop out it's just a meaningless thing to posit.

[PatSeg]

60. No, I disagree

Trump was convicted on 34 counts on May 30th. In the past four weeks, how many journalists, pundits, and editorial boards have asked Trump, a convicted felon, to step aside?

I understand that many of them don't want Trump to win, but they sure haven't been terribly helpful for the most part. Meanwhile, I don't think a last minute replacement for Biden at this point would be very helpful.

[NoRethugFriends]

73. I definitely agree that a replacement at this point would be dumb

[CTyankee]

107. It's risky at this point, you are right. I'd go beyond "dumb" and say "incredibly risky."

I'm sure some of its editorial writers must being taking tranquilizers right about now. I hope they fought like hell for this not to happen!

My son, who lives in NYC, tells me he is not surprised. I'll see him later and have a long conversation about it with him. He's a good Dem and a smart guy, but I need to find out why he is "not surprised."

[PatSeg]

108. Yes, that should be interesting

Actually, I was surprised at some of the voices calling for Biden to redraw. I really expected better from people like Paul Krugman and Jonathan Alter. They should have taken those tranquilizers BEFORE they wrote their opinions. Talk about kneejerk reactions.

I don't know. Maybe some of them have always felt this way and the poor debate performance was a good excuse to say it out loud.

[artemisia1]

97. Good point about them not asking former President and convicted felon Trump to step aside. However, I'm afraid that

changing candidates is a legitimate discussion at this point. No disrespect to President Biden who is a thousand times that man that Trump is.

[choie]

105. No, it's not legitimate, actually.

This was ONE “debate”!! A poor performance I. One debate doesn’t signify that Biden is unfit to be president! How ridiculous is that!

[PatSeg]

110. I agree

And many of these journalists have been around for a long time. They of all people should have known better.

[PatSeg]

109. Unfortunately, it is too late in the game

to prop up another candidate. It takes a long time and a lot of money and planning to put together a presidential run.

Meanwhile, it was understandable that journalists would write about Biden's poor debate performance and express legitimate concern, but they could have waited a day or two before declaring en masse that Biden should redraw. The stark contrast between Biden on that debate stage and Biden in North Carolina the next day tells a different story than the ones they were writing.

[TBF]

20. No it is not "historical" - it is Arthur (the NYTimes publisher) continuing to throw a temper tantrum

because he does not get to be in charge of Joe's schedule.

[Prairie Gates]

23. I dunno

Maybe you're right, but the New York Times saying it carries some weight.

[TBF]

28. Really? Arthur carries on this vendetta against Joe Biden and you think that

"carries some weight"?

But you've neglected to address the subject of the other candidate with the 34 felonies. Care to tell us how you feel about that? Does that "carry weight" with you?

[Prairie Gates]

33. Trump's a despicable piece of shit who shouldn't be anywhere near the Presidency

Now you know how I feel. I still think that the NY Times still functions as a paper opf record in the US, and that its editorial board opinion is a big deal, even if we disagree with its substance. The NY Times editorial board calling for a sitting President to step aside from his reelection bid is a big deal, even if you don't think so.

[TBF]

65. You'll be surprised to hear that I'm still a subscriber -

I've been reading it for years. I'm in Texas now, but I spent 15 years on the East Coast, working and living in Wash DC and NYC.

I had a lot of respect for both papers then. Now the Wash Post is owned by Bezos and the current family member running the NYTimes has a problem with Joe Biden.

You've told me how you feel about Trump, and that's fine - but you still didn't answer the question. Don't you feel like someone with 34 felonies should be questioned? Shouldn't Arthur question how Trump can be the nominee for the republicans?

[Prairie Gates]

66. Yes, of course

There is actually quite a bit of questioning of Trump in the editorial.

I don't know why you're making this about my opinion.

[TBF]

67. I just disagree with your opinion -

and you did write the OP so folks will respond ...

Stock market is down 10 points today so maybe we're both a little correct. Investors aren't feeling too happy either way. Hopefully the work President Biden has done the past 4 years will be enough to convince them (and independents) that throwing it back in the hands of Trump is not the best thing for the future of this country.

[Prairie Gates]

85. Huh? Which opinion of mine do you disagree with?

[Biophilic]

30. Not nearly as much as it used to.

They have dug their own grave.

[orange jar]

36. Not really.

Do most people nowadays decide something based on a newspaper editorial board's opinions? This isn't the twentieth century anymore.

[Prairie Gates]

39. I don't think people decided their votes based on editorials in the 20th century either

It's an information point, but one that carries some weight. Still does.

[orange jar]

45. I didn't necessarily mean that people decided their votes based on editorials,

but more so that people nowadays don't trust/hold news agencies in as high of a regard as they used to. We'll see what happens, I guess, but I don't expect Biden or his allies to listen to the NYT on this (nor should he, imo)

[Prairie Gates]

46. I don't think they'll decide based on NY Times or allies

They'll decide based on polls and fundraising. The problem is that those may be affected by newspaper of record opinions. Just think of the high regard with which some of the (self-professedly) richest most vocal fundraisers around here hold the NY Times opinon. If polls crater and the fundraisers put pressure, Biden won't make it to the convention. The NY Times is a canary in a coal mine on that. We'll see, sure, but real soon.

[NoRethugFriends]

74. New York times carries no weight at all these days.

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They have drifted significantly right

[Prairie Gates]

75. I mean, OK

Keep telling yourself that.

[Raven123]

6. Just another day at the NYT.

[XanaDUer2]

7. Of course

I'm assuming they've had similar op eds about Trump

[malaise]

8. But not the convicted felon

OK then

[Silent3]

58. The same editorial says they'd still easily pick Biden over Trump if those are the choices...

...and that this suggestion that Biden step down is about realpolitik, about accounting for (not the NYT's words) the stupid way the American public makes voting decisions.

They clearly state that they consider a Trump win a huge threat to the country.

Not calling on Trump to resign is simply knowing Trump, nor the Republican party, have a good side to appeal to for dropping out for the good of the country.

It would of course be better if they skipped over the expectations game and flat out called on Trump to resign too, just to make things more clear and definitive, but I think we all know that would be a futile gesture. Republicans would glory in being told Trump should withdraw by the NYT, so saying Trump should quit the race would be nothing more than preaching to the choir.

[Silent Type]

61. Facts no longer matter.

[malaise]

71. Thanks

Good to know - I avoid the NYT

[Blue Owl]

10. Funny how Dump used to bash them so much

Remember every other sentence out of his anus mouth used to be “the failing New York Times”……

These NYT reporters are a bunch of sorry fucks suffering from some kind of bizarre Stockholm Syndrome abuse….

[mcar]

11. When are they going to call for the convicted felon to step aside?

Fck them. They are fascists.

[Cha]

50. GOOD QUESTION!&

For the NYT Ttolls!🤮😈

[Sgent]

95. Presumably they think it makes Trump a shittier candidate

which they are ok with, since they want Trump to lose.

[bigtree]

12. never called for the 34 count felony indicted former president to step aside

...not even after his conviction on election fraud.

The NYT is a criminal enabling enterprise.

[LiberalFighter]

14. They should all be fitted with multiple sex devices in their rectum.

Without lubrication.

[JoseBalow]

99. You say that like it's a bad thing

[deminks]

15. Coordinated MEdia effort to remove Joe talked about last night

Seems to be spearheaded by the New Zork Times.

How did that work out for you, Jonathan Swan, today when Joe didn't drop out? I saw you drooling on Xitter before he spoke. You thought you got him. How do you splain that one to the 🍊 anus, or Uncle Pootey Poot, Maggie and Jonathan? You kiss up to a sexual predator, fraud, and convicted felon cause he might win?

IMHO.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

47. Great post.

nt.

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. Surely these assholes called for twice impeached guy to step down?

[SouthBayDem]

76. They supported his impeachments

in 2019 and 2021.

But it was the more conservative Wall Street Journal calling on Twice Impeached to resign after 1/6/21.

[Rhiannon12866]

111. Thank you for pointing that out! And they also published a record long article of his years of tax invasion

While he was in office!

[Azathoth]

88. Pretty sure they did, or at least supported removing him nt

[senseandsensibility]

17. As many above have noted, cheato was never asked to drop out

by the "paper of records' " board. Double standard doesn't even begin to cover it.

[DinahMoeHum]

18. Eat Shit, NYT Assholes.

[orange jar]

19. Here we go

[Sanity Claws]

22. Trump was convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for rape, etc

but the NY Times never called him to step aside.

That editorial came to me via email. I hit unsubscribe. No more of their shit.

[BootinUp]

24. The major news media loves to tell Democrats what they should do

Also they love a horse race. They love the money that comes with a horse race. They love hyping the horse race to bring in the money from the horse race.

[FelineOverlord]

26. In other words

Biden won’t give us an interview because we want Trump back in office so badly.

So he needs to go

Heil Trumpenfuhrer!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. Who is surprised by this?

I am so glad that I cancelled my subscription back in 2015. The NYT is in the tank for TFG with people like Haberman

[oldsoftie]

29. WAY too early for that NYT. One bad performance doesnt equal capitulation.

yes, it was a bad night. But look at his speech today.

[Ocelot II]

31. Might have to cancel my subscription, finally.

[marble falls]

32. A bad night counts but being a convicted felon awaiting sentencing and at least three more trials don't? ...

... where did the rumor of the NYT being a "liberal" paper come from, anyways?

[FloridaBlues]

34. No magical person is coming to convince people to vote for them

In couple months time. Even if VP Harris steps in she will have to choose a running mate who people won’t know that well. You piss off 1/2 of dem voters and the other voters sit out and trump walks in the WH.

[Takket]

35. do you have a link to their article saying the person convicted of 34 felonies should drop out?

[Prairie Gates]

41. No, I posted the editorial from earlier today

[swimboy]

37. Fuck them.

That’s what I say.

[flamingdem]

38. They should ask Trump to step down

Fuck the NYT!

One bad performance and they're all in with Cheato.

Just because Biden didn't kiss their collective nasty asses.

[Ms. Toad]

93. You might want to actually read the editorial, if you think they are "all in with Cheato."

Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy to that democracy — an erratic and self-interested figure unworthy of the public trust. He systematically attempted to undermine the integrity of elections. His supporters have described, publicly, a 2025 agenda that would give him the power to carry out the most extreme of his promises and threats. If he is returned to office, he has vowed to be a different kind of president, unrestrained by the checks on power built into the American political system.

. . .

If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses.

[moondust]

40. The gang that helped TSF

get elected the first time by not reporting on his long history of corruption based in their city?

[triron]

42. Go stick it up your ass NYTIMES.

[ananda]

43. NYT: you are eminently ignorable.

Put that in your smipe and poke it

[Cha]

44. lol. As If the NYT had a say in the

Matter 🤮😈

[valleyrogue]

48. All because Biden wouldn't giive them access

The media are really weird this way. They did this to the Clintons when they arrived in the White House in 1993, and they never let up. The reason: Hillary wouldn't kiss the backside of Sally Quinn. It really was that stupid and that petty.

We are seeing the same thing being played out here with the "Newspaper of Record."

[pinkstarburst]

49. So glad I canceled my subscription

[lpbk2713]

51. Does Putin have an interest in the NYT?

Fuck the NYT Editorial Board.

[AllyCat]

52. The NYT has become a joke. They push 45's drivel for him

I won’t take ANYTHING they say seriously.

[Phoenix61]

53. Liberal media my ass.🤬nt

[Mossfern]

55. To paraphrase a famous child ....

"They're nothing but a deck of cards."

I need a tutorial on linking images.

[Hekate]

56. Just curious, but have they EVER asked the same of Trump?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

57. Fuck them

Are they worried the Rupert Murdoch NY Post is out selling them?

[Duncanpup]

59. 👆🏾🖕that rag.

[LeftInTX]

62. I can just hear Trump now, "The NY TImes wants Biden to step down!"

"It doesn't get any worse than that! When the NY Times doesn't want you, it's bad. It's real bad".


How stupid. Keep your thoughts to yourself NYT!!!

It's one thing for Koffee Klatches to say this. It's another thing for the NYT to blast it. How moronic!!!

[kimbutgar]

63. F the NYT

They are so pro corporate I am dubious on their opinions!

[MustLoveBeagles]

64. Go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw NYTs

A bad debate performance is beyond the pale but being a 34 time convicted felon and rapist is just fine.

[ARandomPerson]

68. Fetterman reacts

Link to tweet

[oasis]

69. What he said

[Baitball Blogger]

70. Doesn't cost them anything to try and push out the best candidate to beat Trump.

[0rganism]

72. Looks like someone's real eager for Democrats to give up that incumbency advantage

It's not necessarily going to be easier for another candidate to beat TSF in the November elections, so we're supposed to give up Biden's incumbency for a different "reckless gamble".

On the other hand the NYT probably does employ many people who will need to flee the country immediately if TSF wins, so I can understand why they might be jumpy...

[Bluethroughu]

77. No.

[BigDemVoter]

78. They can go fuck themselves. I'm canceling my subscription.

What do they have to say about a criminal convicted of 34 felonies, not to mention someone who fomented an attempted coup d'etat against our country? Again, FUCK THEM.

[texasfiddler]

79. The NY Times editorial board hated it when Biden beat Trump in 2020.

I dropped my NY times subscription on inauguration day in 2021. They were more concerned with Biden wearing a rolex during inauguration than the insurrection that had just happened. That is bullshit. Posting just so the title of the article proves my point. It is not worth reading. Don't fucking subscribe to this piece of shit paper. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/fashion/mens-style/rolex-biden.html

[Dem4life1234]

80. Fuck them

They can go fuck off.

Tell the lying rapist felon to step down.

A sane country would be calling the felon to step down.

[Azathoth]

86. A sane country would also be telling Biden to step down

That's the problem. Neither of these guys are getting nominated by a "sane country", but rather by a heavily engineered primary system that only reflects the will of 10% of the country.

[johnp3907]

81. I've been calling for the New York Times Editorial Board to step aside for ages!

[Iris]

82. Fuck them.

[brooklynite]

83. I hate to ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory...

Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy to that democracy — an erratic and self-interested figure unworthy of the public trust. He systematically attempted to undermine the integrity of elections. His supporters have described, publicly, a 2025 agenda that would give him the power to carry out the most extreme of his promises and threats. If he is returned to office, he has vowed to be a different kind of president, unrestrained by the checks on power built into the American political system.

Mr. Biden has been an admirable president. Under his leadership, the nation has prospered and begun to address a range of long-term challenges, and the wounds ripped open by Mr. Trump have begun to heal. But the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.

If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. To make a call for a new Democratic nominee this late in a campaign is a decision not taken lightly, but it reflects the scale and seriousness of Mr. Trump’s challenge to the values and institutions of this country and the inadequacy of Mr. Biden to confront him.

[Prairie Gates]

84. Are you responding to the OP or just carrying on in your usual manner?

[brooklynite]

87. Plenty of assertions in the thread...

I'd say if the Times is trying to get Trump elected, they're doing a lousy job,

[Prairie Gates]

90. Ooooh...you're responding to the whole thread...

...in your usual manner.

OK, then, buddy. So a lot of the other responses are conspiracy theories debunked by your selections? Is that your brilliant point?

[SocialDemocrat61]

103. "Our corporate media masters must not be questioned" 😉

Unfortunately some forget this is Democratic Underground and think it’s Corporate Media Underground.

[mountain grammy]

112. Nope, they're in it to win it.. for trump.

They could have given Biden the benefit of the doubt, that he wasn't up to par, that he was obviously under the weather. That trump did nothing but lie and Biden was prepared to debate but there wasn't a debate. He was blindsided. Thought you guys behind the scenes were supposed to not let that happen.
Honestly, I think any Democrat would have been blindsided, Biden was not at his best for sure but that was enough said, step down? Bullshit.

For our news media, it's all about ratings and trump delivers. why don't they pick apart everything that came out of the lying mouth of trump. That's what every editorial should be about. "I know Putins' dreams" not a whisper about that.

This was NOT a debate.

[orangecrush]

89. Dear NYT

Bite me.

[duckworth969]

91. NYT is a rag

[Catherine Vincent]

94. FTNYT

That's all I have to say.

[Skittles]

96. but a Putin Puppet, seditionist, convicted felon, sex offender, con man is A-OK

ALRIGHTY THEN

[spanone]

98. Malarkey

[SamKnause]

100. Fuck off.

It is an absolute tragedy that trump is the republican nominee.

If he killed someone on 5th Avenue you wouldn't be calling for him to step down.

Fuck you.

You are a big part of the problem.

You helped cause this disaster.

You could have fought hard to stop trump, but you didn't.

You helped spread his lies.

You helped to "normalize" trump.

Just fuck off.

If Joe were just a head in a box he would get my vote.

Fuck you for aiding and abetting trump.

[BoRaGard]

101. Screw the Times

They have pissed all their cred away long ago

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

102. Fuck those idiots... but at least I got paper to line the bottom of my bird cage!!

[raccoon]

104. New York Times Editorial Board can go pound sand. DId they ever say anything comparable about the Insurrection?

About Trump's mental and emotional deficiencies?

[CTyankee]

106. I saw this early this a.m. since I subscribe to the NYT. Alas, I felt I could not navigate the Latest Breaking News

guidelines. I am so glad to finally see it posted.

I am aghast, as a NYT daily subscriber. But as an East Coast liberal in one of the country's most liberal cities, I felt it was better to have someone else post it. So thank you Prairie Gates, for posting!