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Will Chump shooting mute any open criticism of him as a rapist and a pedo? (Original Post) duckworth969 Jul 14 OP
Whatever happened to Project 2025? Kid Berwyn Jul 14 #1
Yeah, pfitz59 Jul 14 #3
Tell ya, I didn't see any "President-Warrior." Kid Berwyn Jul 14 #15
Yes. Trump may get the kid glove treatment now. Irish_Dem Jul 14 #2
No DarthDem Jul 14 #4
I think maybe the Dems' emphasis will be on gun control Ocelot II Jul 14 #5
Not JustAnotherGen Jul 14 #6
Yes, I think trump said we "need to get over it" whenever there's a shooting. Think. Again. Jul 14 #14
Yes, for a while, anyway. GoCubsGo Jul 14 #7
I fear this may be true. calimary Jul 14 #8
Attacking the man might pause for a bit, attacking his policy proposals should not. Freethinker65 Jul 14 #9
I think it will depend on Trump's rethoric. If he picks up where he left off.... Fla Dem Jul 14 #10
Not if rumor true shooter was abused as child and wrote something on SM about Epstein. LizBeth Jul 14 #11
I saw a screenshot of the shooter's facebook page... Think. Again. Jul 14 #12
Yup XanaDUer2 Jul 14 #13
I for one certainly hope Dems do not back off. Democracy is at stake, no NoMoreRepugs Jul 14 #16
Can't mute something kacekwl Jul 14 #17
Apparently he got shoot BECAUSE of Epstein. GreenWave Jul 14 #18
Giving enough rope Metaphorical Jul 14 #19

Kid Berwyn

(16,976 posts)
15. Tell ya, I didn't see any "President-Warrior."
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:42 PM
Jul 14

Dana Perino's description. I did see a lard-ass bully and draft-dodger worry about his shoes before asking if anyone around him got hit.

Ocelot II

(119,045 posts)
5. I think maybe the Dems' emphasis will be on gun control
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:31 PM
Jul 14

until the dust settles a bit. It will all depend on what happens at the GOP convention and how Trump deals the shooting and with Project 2025. If the convention turns out to be as much of a dumpster fire as we expect, the Biden campaign will probably feel free to take Trump on directly again afterwards.

GoCubsGo

(32,739 posts)
7. Yes, for a while, anyway.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:32 PM
Jul 14

Whether or not it does so permanently is another story. Who knows what will happen next?

calimary

(83,370 posts)
8. I fear this may be true.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:33 PM
Jul 14

Some inside the RNC are probably thinking like dogs on a side of beef.

They’re opportunists of the first order. And they’re gonna try to use this to play on America’s sympathies to get their boy back into the White House.

Hell, I can just imagine it. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s an insiders’ group plotting and figuring how they can make use of this.

Freethinker65

(10,687 posts)
9. Attacking the man might pause for a bit, attacking his policy proposals should not.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:34 PM
Jul 14

One could always argue while Trump's character, ethics, behaviors, temperament, etc. are obviously unfit for Presidential office, they do not warrant any physical harm being done to him.

Fla Dem

(25,072 posts)
10. I think it will depend on Trump's rethoric. If he picks up where he left off....
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:37 PM
Jul 14

then I think the Dems should respond appropriately. You know Trump can't keep his mouth closed and says whatever enters his brain. I'm thinking when he appears at the RNC convention, unless his handlers have a very tight grip on him, it'll be Trump as usual.

LizBeth

(10,475 posts)
11. Not if rumor true shooter was abused as child and wrote something on SM about Epstein.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:38 PM
Jul 14

I heard it early on. Havent heard it recently.

Think. Again.

(14,904 posts)
12. I saw a screenshot of the shooter's facebook page...
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 01:39 PM
Jul 14

I don't know if it was real or not, but it did have a quote from him saying something about his mission to stop epstein-like stuff or something.

So if that had something to do with his motive, we should be hearing a lot more about it than the silence the media wants to give it.

Metaphorical

(1,997 posts)
19. Giving enough rope
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jul 14

This week should be interesting. Trump with a large bandage plastered on one ear (maybe tied with gauze around his forehead) is not a good look, no matter how this plays out. Trump with a whole ear is not going to play well either.

I'm not too worried about the ad stop for the moment - it would have happened anyway given the conventions, as money is funnelled into those conventions instead as a running ad.

The Republicans have not, lately, staged terribly good conventions. They tend to have a tin ear (sorry couldn't resist) when it comes to reaching out to anyone BUT their base, and even there, the move towards the left is being met by very fierce resistance by the far right (especially the religious right). Epstein is out there, the convictions are out there, Trump's cognitive decline is out there, and Project 2025 is beginning to become disseminated, despite every attempt to stop it. The fact that the shooter was a registered Republican is out there as well (likely one of those things that got missed in the planning, if it wasn't what it appears on the surface). None of this is good news for Trump. The media's obvious bias in the last few weeks is also coming back to haunt them, and the possibility that they could end up losing viewers permanently at a time when viewership is shrinking anyway has to be factoring into the political calculus.

There comes a point in a con when you have too many spinning plates, and when that happens, crockery tends to get broken in a dramatic fashion. The deceptions become more and more obvious, because you don't have the resources to put together elaborate ones anymore, and you lose credibility in bits and chunks. When you look at questions about credibility, nobody believes Trump anymore beyond his MAGA cultists. Everyone is worried about Biden's age, but from every indication I've seen Biden is fine - my take on it is that he's dealing with side effects of the treatment for sleep apnea, something I know a lot about, and yes, he's at the point where he's losing muscle mass, which is typical for people in their 80s.

Here's my guess - RNC convention is going to be a sh*tshow. They don't have an agenda that they can talk about, there is dissension in their ranks, tthey have Donnie Boy siphoning off funds for his own legal defense (illegally, most likely) and their fearless leader is going to be walking around with a bandage on his ear. Nicky Hailey is grudgingly being allowed to speak, and after she was so summarily dismissed by Trump, she may very well not be at all interested in playing nice. I can't see Trump backing a VP candidate that might very well challenge him (especially if president for life is in the cards), which means that the #2 slot is likely going to be even more extreme than Trump, but who is also going to be very subservient.

What that means in practice is that it's not going to move the needle much, one way or another. It's possible that something else may happen in the Republican's favor, but its hard to imagine what at this point.

The DNC Convention may prove a different matter. For all that there may be attempts in the press to paint the Dems as divided, there is no obvious Democratic alternative who isn't already Kamela Harris. There is no Bernie Sanders this time around. The Dems do generally put on a good show, and it gives a chance for them to compare and contrast their record against the Republicans, to show a much more unified front, and to paint a much more hopeful picture of the future. Inflation has moderated, jobs are available, people are generally better off, the stock market is up dramatically. It's getting harder for Netenyahu to prosecute the war in Isreal, and Ukraine is holding their own against the Russsians. This is the opportunity for the Democratic community to make the case to their public, and especially if the RNC convention goes as sideways as I think i will, this should shift the balance of the race.

One final point - what if it had been Biden rather than Trump there yesterday, with a Republican shooter. Would it make much of a difference in the race? Probably not. If it had been an ardent leftist, this might have been different, but i think that Trump the Hero is going to get old VERY quickly, especially because he didn't do anything especially heroic here - indeed, he was basically a victim. That's not playing well with the narrative of Trump the invincible, and it also showcases that there are people even of his own party who are willing to commit suicide because they think the man is vile.

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