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Baitball Blogger

(51,407 posts)
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:11 PM Jul 2024

Don't let the media or the GOP frame this photograph beyond what it really represents:

This is the defining photograph of Trump vs. victims of bullies who happen to have Republican parents with well-stocked gun rooms.

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Don't let the media or the GOP frame this photograph beyond what it really represents: (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 OP
it was a photo op! Skittles Jul 2024 #1
And the fact that he wanted a photo op while a man lay mzmolly Jul 2024 #6
well THAT is just Trump being Trump Skittles Jul 2024 #8
He likely made sure the SS were loyalists who obeyed mzmolly Jul 2024 #15
THIS malaise Jul 2024 #18
Yes! Mossfern Jul 2024 #43
Spin as hard as you want. He seized the moment which shows he has clarity of mind to know there was a photo op. Pisces Jul 2024 #10
nonsense Skittles Jul 2024 #13
Exactly! mzmolly Jul 2024 #28
Spin? It's a disgusting time to think about photo ops. mzmolly Jul 2024 #14
This happened in the moment. A split second decision with some shock. Sorry, but no one is going to think Pisces Jul 2024 #34
I have an argument mzmolly Jul 2024 #35
Another photo op trying to show I'm a macho strong man Pisces Jul 2024 #37
Agreed. mzmolly Jul 2024 #39
How long was he on the ground for? 30 seconds? A full minute? 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #38
Well then, Mossfern Jul 2024 #44
Convicted treasonous felon MF45 hasn't acknowleged the other victims yet, so FoxNewsSucks Jul 2024 #51
He was on the ground long enough for his weasel brain to reflexively ask how can this benefit me? 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #36
Agree 100%. This photo was taken seconds after the shooting. It is unreasonable to think that he knew anyone kelly1mm Jul 2024 #52
He looked like a callous, out of touch idiot mzmolly Jul 2024 #56
The man who died was directly behind Trump wnylib Jul 2024 #57
Did he know at that point that someone in the audience had been killed? democrattotheend Jul 2024 #22
Did he care? mzmolly Jul 2024 #26
LOL Skittles Jul 2024 #30
In general, no democrattotheend Jul 2024 #42
He mugged for the camera and yelled 'fight fight fight.' mzmolly Jul 2024 #50
...... Skittles Jul 2024 #59
That is a perfectly fair criticism democrattotheend Jul 2024 #61
He thinks bdamomma Jul 2024 #23
The instant self-serving fist demonstration wnylib Jul 2024 #55
They posed too‼️ live love laugh Jul 2024 #53
Try as we might - there's no spinning that image FBaggins Jul 2024 #2
yeah - nothing more American than an AR15 shooting Skittles Jul 2024 #3
I had the same thought last night. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #11
And he already has two Sympthsical Jul 2024 #25
The dead don't get the opportunity. usonian Jul 2024 #4
Timed for opening of RN convention? Ferryboat Jul 2024 #5
I can see him walking out on stage Xavier Breath Jul 2024 #45
Yup live love laugh Jul 2024 #58
Photo was photoshopped. LiberalFighter Jul 2024 #7
The flag was hanging from a crane above him. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #12
The video did not show flag hanging in the background LiberalFighter Jul 2024 #20
Sorry - that's simply wrong FBaggins Jul 2024 #21
Look at all that TRASH! Ligyron Jul 2024 #54
No, they're not. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #47
It was right above the stage soandso Jul 2024 #49
Too late. Everyone on social media is passing this photo around. Imagery is strong. Pisces Jul 2024 #9
The imagery demonstrates he's a careless idiot, mzmolly Jul 2024 #17
Especially in comparison to how Biden looked at the debate democrattotheend Jul 2024 #24
FUCK Cadet Bonespurs Skittles Jul 2024 #31
total BS DoBW Jul 2024 #16
He says "wait, wait, wait" and pushes down the agent's arm in front of him ucrdem Jul 2024 #19
This is how Chump plays to the TV cameras ... he knew they were rolling FakeNoose Jul 2024 #48
Gracious! The SS certainly was accommodating, slowing and ducking so that photo could be taken. Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #27
Dick-Tator Trump aka Don Van Gogh Miami Blue Jul 2024 #29
This may be trivial Bitbit Jul 2024 #32
A human Mossfern Jul 2024 #33
I have already heard that photo will live in infamy like the Iwo Jima photo. doc03 Jul 2024 #40
Which will make it more comical over time. Baitball Blogger Jul 2024 #41
He will try to do with this what Giuliani did with 9-11 JI7 Jul 2024 #46
Isn't there some question of that flag being photoshopped? Certainly seem niyad Jul 2024 #60

Skittles

(168,487 posts)
1. it was a photo op!
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:14 PM
Jul 2024

they literally allowed him to do that - WTF, wouldn't they wonder if there was more than one shooter? WTF!!!

mzmolly

(52,500 posts)
6. And the fact that he wanted a photo op while a man lay
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:31 PM
Jul 2024

dead is disgusting. He had no idea how his supporters were doing at the time he mugged for the camera. He expressed no concern for anyone. Just took a moment to ask about his shoes and strike a pose.

Skittles

(168,487 posts)
8. well THAT is just Trump being Trump
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:33 PM
Jul 2024

he doesn't give a DAMN about anyone else

but I don't understand how the SS would allow that, it makes no fucking sense

mzmolly

(52,500 posts)
15. He likely made sure the SS were loyalists who obeyed
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:52 PM
Jul 2024

him overall. I agree it make no sense. It's like "here, take another shot!"

Pisces

(6,133 posts)
10. Spin as hard as you want. He seized the moment which shows he has clarity of mind to know there was a photo op.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:34 PM
Jul 2024

Skittles

(168,487 posts)
13. nonsense
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:50 PM
Jul 2024

he is a malignant narcissist who is literally incapable of concern for the safety of others

Pisces

(6,133 posts)
34. This happened in the moment. A split second decision with some shock. Sorry, but no one is going to think
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:35 PM
Jul 2024

Wow what a callous asshole in the moment. Now after all if said and done if he doesn’t acknowledge the deceased and injured you have an argument.

mzmolly

(52,500 posts)
35. I have an argument
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:44 PM
Jul 2024

regardless. I think he's a callous asshole and that was further demonstrated by his seeking a photo op in the midst of it all. People were still screaming and panicking at the time. Being politically advised to say a few words about the dead after the fact, isn't very revealing.

That said, he's reportedly out golfing today.

Pisces

(6,133 posts)
37. Another photo op trying to show I'm a macho strong man
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:14 PM
Jul 2024

Nothing rattles me. He’s totally playing into his bases strongman, authoritarian love affair.

58Sunliner

(6,204 posts)
38. How long was he on the ground for? 30 seconds? A full minute?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:15 PM
Jul 2024

The idiot could barely react in the moment to being shot at.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,399 posts)
51. Convicted treasonous felon MF45 hasn't acknowleged the other victims yet, so
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:28 PM
Jul 2024

yes. They have an argument.

Piece of shit thinks of NO ONE but himself.

58Sunliner

(6,204 posts)
36. He was on the ground long enough for his weasel brain to reflexively ask how can this benefit me?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:13 PM
Jul 2024

A normal person with empathy would think of the others and not fist pump over a dead body.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
52. Agree 100%. This photo was taken seconds after the shooting. It is unreasonable to think that he knew anyone
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:31 PM
Jul 2024

else was shot at the time. Say what you will about President Trump, his natural political instincts are uncanny.

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
57. The man who died was directly behind Trump
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:47 PM
Jul 2024

with his head blown off and blood everywhere. Trump could not have missed noticing that.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
22. Did he know at that point that someone in the audience had been killed?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:41 PM
Jul 2024

I don't see how he could have possibly known that moments after he was shot and the Secret Service was scrambling to get him off stage.

mzmolly

(52,500 posts)
26. Did he care?
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:51 PM
Jul 2024

Did he understand that there was a mass shooting into a crowd of his supporters? Why would anyone think about his image at a time like that?

Skittles

(168,487 posts)
30. LOL
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jul 2024

are you seriously defending that POS? Shots fired around ANY CROWD may mean casualties

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
42. In general, no
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jul 2024

I think he's a total piece of garbage human being and yesterday doesn't change that. But I always try to be fair to everyone, and I wouldn't judge anyone for things they say in the seconds or minutes after being shot at. Even far more empathetic people might not think to ask about other casualties moments after being nicked by a bullet and shoved to the ground. There are plenty of things to criticize Trump for. Picking apart what he said or did or didn't say or do in the moments after he was shot just sounds petty and ridiculous.

If in the coming days and weeks he talks only about what happened to him and doesn't mention the other victims that's another story.

mzmolly

(52,500 posts)
50. He mugged for the camera and yelled 'fight fight fight.'
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:09 PM
Jul 2024

That's my issue. This is not the behavior of a compassionate human being.

Skittles

(168,487 posts)
59. ......
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 11:45 PM
Jul 2024

bottom line is, if the repuke party had their way AR15's would be issued to every household - THIS IS ON THEM

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
61. That is a perfectly fair criticism
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 10:01 AM
Jul 2024

And one that we should make, although maybe not immediately for strategic reasons. Once the dust settles, it's totally reasonable to criticize Trump's stance on guns, his history of encouraging violence, etc. But criticizing him for not immediately asking about other casualties in the heat of the moment makes us sound ridiculous.

bdamomma

(69,105 posts)
23. He thinks
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:43 PM
Jul 2024

only about himself. Sickening POS he is.

If he was anywhere else his ass would be locked up!!!

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
55. The instant self-serving fist demonstration
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:43 PM
Jul 2024

is not heroic. It shows ego over concern for others. Me, me, me.

We should call it the "Look at me" photo. Never mind that other guy who died or the people who were injured. *I* am ok and that's all that matters.

Meantime, reports are coming in that the man who died was the real hero of the day. He died because he shielded his family when he heard the shots.

FBaggins

(28,560 posts)
2. Try as we might - there's no spinning that image
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:15 PM
Jul 2024

Whether he wins or loses in November - that’s the image that will be in the history books decades down the line. Could be a Pulitzer

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
11. I had the same thought last night.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jul 2024

The NY Times photographer who appears to have captured the bullet in flight is also probably looking at a Pulitzer.

Sympthsical

(10,735 posts)
25. And he already has two
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:50 PM
Jul 2024

Doug Mills won his first in 1993 for his coverage of Clinton's first campaign, and again during the Lewinsky scandal.

It's a Dougaissance.

usonian

(22,206 posts)
4. The dead don't get the opportunity.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:22 PM
Jul 2024

History is written by the victors ... Churchill

The dead know only one thing: that it is better to be alive ... Kubrick/Full Metal Jacket

Maybe AI will change that.

Xavier Breath

(6,256 posts)
45. I can see him walking out on stage
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:35 PM
Jul 2024

with a copy of that blown up to fill the stage and stretched to the rafters. Untold numbers of MAGAts are no doubt jerking off to that image as we speak.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
7. Photo was photoshopped.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:32 PM
Jul 2024

There was no flag behind him in the bleachers. Flags were to the left of the bleachers. Photo does not have bleachers or people in the background.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
12. The flag was hanging from a crane above him.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:39 PM
Jul 2024

You can see the edge of it and the crane in the first pic here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/13/us/trump-rally-shooting-maps-photos.html

The crane is visible in photos from other sources.

Seriously, people. This conspiracy nonsense has just gotten silly. We look ridiculous when we fall for this stuff.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
20. The video did not show flag hanging in the background
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:59 PM
Jul 2024

Those other sources are using the same photo

FBaggins

(28,560 posts)
21. Sorry - that's simply wrong
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jul 2024

He puts up those crane-hung flags at almost all of his outdoor events

Ligyron

(7,988 posts)
54. Look at all that TRASH!
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 10:40 PM
Jul 2024

There's enough clear plastic laying there to kill hundreds of poor turtles thinking it's a jellyfish.

What a bunch of slobs, probably never recycle either.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
24. Especially in comparison to how Biden looked at the debate
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:43 PM
Jul 2024

I hate to say it, but this photo makes the fact that Biden came across as old and weak even worse. Obviously, I'd much rather have a president who's compassionate and human, old or not, but the contrast isn't good for us.

ucrdem

(15,720 posts)
19. He says "wait, wait, wait" and pushes down the agent's arm in front of him
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jul 2024

then puts his fist up and says "fight, fight, fight." This per France24 live report. But it accords with the NYT video. So he made sure to capitalize on the publicity before he was even back on his feet. I think that's why the agents are grinning in the Iwo Jima tableau.

FakeNoose

(39,355 posts)
48. This is how Chump plays to the TV cameras ... he knew they were rolling
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 08:44 PM
Jul 2024

... he took advantage of it. That doesn't make Chump a warrior, or a hero. It just makes him an asshole.
The Secret Service guys should have knocked him down and covered him.

Scrivener7

(57,680 posts)
27. Gracious! The SS certainly was accommodating, slowing and ducking so that photo could be taken.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

Miami Blue

(345 posts)
29. Dick-Tator Trump aka Don Van Gogh
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:11 PM
Jul 2024

Dick-Tator Trump aka Don Van Gogh is a coward just like all bullies.
Nonetheless, he raised his fist to look obstreperous but in reality, he was shitting his underwear.
Remember that Dick-Tator Trump is an actor
and a member of the Screen Actors Guild aka
SAG.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-takes-big-pension-from-sag-aftra-despite-quitting-after-january-6-riot

Bitbit

(145 posts)
32. This may be trivial
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:24 PM
Jul 2024

I’ve looked at numerous pics of this pose and I don’t see even a smudge of blood on the right hand or shirt cuff. It appeared he grabbed his ear open handed as he sank down. There should be at least a smudge or stain on that hand. There is not.


Edit to correct grammar

Mossfern

(4,503 posts)
33. A human
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 04:30 PM
Jul 2024

would be more concerned about what was happening and the welfare of the people in the crowd than a good photo op. (and his shoes) He's ruthless.

doc03

(38,607 posts)
40. I have already heard that photo will live in infamy like the Iwo Jima photo.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 05:36 PM
Jul 2024

They will build trump up like he was Harrison Ford saving Air Force 1.

Baitball Blogger

(51,407 posts)
41. Which will make it more comical over time.
Sun Jul 14, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jul 2024

Took us more than two centuries to figure out the false narrative behind Thanksgiving and even Columbus discovering America. I have every bit of confidence that Americans will figure out the truth behind the Bloody Trump photo much sooner.

niyad

(128,319 posts)
60. Isn't there some question of that flag being photoshopped? Certainly seem
Mon Jul 15, 2024, 01:02 AM
Jul 2024

to remember that from yesterday.

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