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mcar

(43,541 posts)
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:18 AM Jul 2024

Johnson says Rs will sue

The "Pass the Torch" idiots really didn't think this through, did they? I find it hard to believe they were so naive.




House
@SpeakerJohnson
tells
@jaketapper
Dems will face lawsuits if they want to replace Biden as their nominee.

“I think they've got legal hurdles in some of these states and it will be litigated, I would expect, on the ground there.” Johnson says. “They’ve got a real problem.”
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Johnson says Rs will sue (Original Post) mcar Jul 2024 OP
I am absolutely and 100% opposed to Biden withdrawing, but I'm wondering Ocelot II Jul 2024 #1
Even so, it will create delays and chaos mcar Jul 2024 #4
They don't have to win - they just have to stall lame54 Jul 2024 #6
Well, then, why doesn't the DNC sue the GOP to get Trump kicked off their ticket? Ocelot II Jul 2024 #12
Republicans had their primary and nominating convention jimfields33 Jul 2024 #24
They don't. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #13
That is really not true with these courts...all they need to do is run out the clock. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #42
The rules for ballot access and name submission are set in state law getagrip_already Jul 2024 #19
They're trying to make Biden look like damaged goods. GoCubsGo Jul 2024 #20
They'll find someone amiable who voted in that state's primary and bankroll it Amishman Jul 2024 #27
I don't think it is who can be on our ticket..... usedtobedemgurl Jul 2024 #41
They know Joe will beat Trump. Emile Jul 2024 #2
Yes! mcar Jul 2024 #5
Why would they sue to keep him on the ballot AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #28
You really think they'll sue on the behalf of the democratic base? Emile Jul 2024 #40
Of course not, but that doesn't have anything to do with the question AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #44
They will go after the new nominee...just to fuck with us and make sure we lose. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #43
They're not trying to get him off the ballot! AZSkiffyGeek Jul 2024 #46
Just wondering how republicans would prove they have standing? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #3
Again, I don't think it really matters mcar Jul 2024 #7
That likely is the goal here. LisaL Jul 2024 #14
And with this SCOTUS, who knows? mcar Jul 2024 #15
My thought exactly Bayard Jul 2024 #37
So does every primary voter whose choice doesn't ultimately win the nomination get to sue? Trekologer Jul 2024 #8
Precisely. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #11
I thingy...the problem is as in Ohio once a nominee is determined...the states put them on the ballots. They can run out Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #45
25th Amendment for shithole..... Lovie777 Jul 2024 #9
These fuckers think they control everything. bluestarone Jul 2024 #10
Yet another reason the "drop out Biden" people are wildly misinformed ismnotwasm Jul 2024 #16
I am too. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #47
nothing-burger Mountainguy Jul 2024 #17
States are in charge of ballots. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #49
And they have laws they have to follow Mountainguy Jul 2024 #54
There's nothing that Rs can do if Biden drops out. It's sillly GQP nonsense themaguffin Jul 2024 #18
I disagree. And, we have a corrupt SCOTUS mzmolly Jul 2024 #22
You seem to have a great deal of faith in the judicial system mcar Jul 2024 #53
They're going to do what they're going to do, either way. themaguffin Jul 2024 #55
yep bigtree Jul 2024 #21
He didn't have to tell me that Sunsky Jul 2024 #23
On what grounds would they sue? alarimer Jul 2024 #25
I read that and interpret it as Repubs wanting to run against Biden. I wonder why. LonePirate Jul 2024 #26
Shithole's ego......... Lovie777 Jul 2024 #35
That way the republicans can lump legal costs for trump Turbineguy Jul 2024 #29
as long as Biden releases his delegates, which he has the right to do, nothing can stop the Dems Takket Jul 2024 #30
Not true. States are in charge of ballots...it would go to court and we would lose... Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #51
Sparking the flames of illegitimacy regardless of outcome Bristlecone Jul 2024 #31
Let them. Parties can pick their candidates Renew Deal Jul 2024 #32
Gee, the Republicans are willing to sue to keep Biden Azathoth Jul 2024 #33
They're willing to sue to create chaos and delay mcar Jul 2024 #39
Sue what. You have no standing you slimy POS. That being said, President Biden is JohnSJ Jul 2024 #34
They've already seen this tactic works for them over Nixie Jul 2024 #36
I want Biden to stay in, but they can't sue Polybius Jul 2024 #38
We are getting really close. EndlessWire Jul 2024 #50
This Chaos Will Affect Turn-out. We're Pissing Away Our Chance to Take All 3 Branches Indykatie Jul 2024 #48
Will you look at this. EndlessWire Jul 2024 #52

Ocelot II

(121,119 posts)
1. I am absolutely and 100% opposed to Biden withdrawing, but I'm wondering
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:20 AM
Jul 2024

as a legal matter how the GOP has standing to litigate who's on the Democratic ticket?

Ocelot II

(121,119 posts)
12. Well, then, why doesn't the DNC sue the GOP to get Trump kicked off their ticket?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:31 AM
Jul 2024

Sauce for the gander and all that.

jimfields33

(19,137 posts)
24. Republicans had their primary and nominating convention
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:13 AM
Jul 2024

For trump as winner. Now if republicans decided to change the ticket, damn right democratic supporters would sue and rightfully so.

Ms. Toad

(35,541 posts)
13. They don't.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:32 AM
Jul 2024

It is yet another scare tactic to try to box Democrats into a corner. (Litigation regarding a change after the deadlines for a major party to send it's nominee to the SOS in each state is a different matter. Prior to the deadline, it is a party matter.

getagrip_already

(17,458 posts)
19. The rules for ballot access and name submission are set in state law
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:46 AM
Jul 2024

After specific dates, it is difficult to change candidates who were certified winners in primaries.

By depledging delegates, the dnc could be running afoul of state code. And even if they arent, the rnc will claim they are and state courts might very well agree with them.

Then it could get to scotus. And we know what they will do.

GoCubsGo

(33,076 posts)
20. They're trying to make Biden look like damaged goods.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:53 AM
Jul 2024

This is just an attempt to exploit the "replace Biden" nonsense. They know he's not going anywhere, and they're hoping wavering Democrats and undecideds will see their lawsuit threats as "The Republicans want this guy in, because they know he's beatable. So, I'm just going to stay home and not bother voting." It's all moot, since Biden isn't going anywhere, anyway.

Amishman

(5,820 posts)
27. They'll find someone amiable who voted in that state's primary and bankroll it
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:17 AM
Jul 2024

The Pubs won't be the litigating party, they'll just supply the lawyers and money, standard lawfare procedure.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,433 posts)
41. I don't think it is who can be on our ticket.....
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:36 PM
Jul 2024

I believe what is being referred to is what I habe stated here several.times: if we replace Biden, we lose. They have lawyers in place for swing states and have stated if Joe drops out, they will sue to keep other names off the ballot. If I recall, it has something to do with dates within each state which you have to enter a name on the ballot by.

I have no doubt they are behind a lot if this remove Biden nonsense. If they can get Joe off the ballot, they will make sure no demand nominee is on the ballot in several states, putting us at a disadvantage.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,608 posts)
44. Of course not, but that doesn't have anything to do with the question
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:41 PM
Jul 2024

If they're sure Joe will win, why are they suing to keep him ON the ballot?

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,608 posts)
46. They're not trying to get him off the ballot!
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:42 PM
Jul 2024

Read the OP - they WANT to run against Biden, and will sue if people try to remove him.
I don't see how they have standing, but they aren't trying to remove Biden.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,612 posts)
3. Just wondering how republicans would prove they have standing?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:22 AM
Jul 2024

Are they going to find a disgruntled Biden voter to sue?

That will be fun.

All it will reveal is that, unlike the general election, the selection of party nominees is an internal party matter, not a legal/constitutional one.

mcar

(43,541 posts)
7. Again, I don't think it really matters
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:23 AM
Jul 2024

The suits will result in delay and chaos - neither of which will help us.

LisaL

(46,649 posts)
14. That likely is the goal here.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:33 AM
Jul 2024

I don't think they expect to win these suits, but they want to create delay and chaos, and bash democrats some more while they are suing.

Bayard

(24,145 posts)
37. My thought exactly
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jul 2024

Does the election get paused until it makes it to the Supremes? Gee....I wonder what they would decide?

Trekologer

(1,062 posts)
8. So does every primary voter whose choice doesn't ultimately win the nomination get to sue?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:25 AM
Jul 2024

That's a ridiculous prospect.

Demsrule86

(71,029 posts)
45. I thingy...the problem is as in Ohio once a nominee is determined...the states put them on the ballots. They can run out
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:42 PM
Jul 2024

the clock and of course the courts are not in our favor right now.

ismnotwasm

(42,473 posts)
16. Yet another reason the "drop out Biden" people are wildly misinformed
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jul 2024

I don’t understand this shit, and I’m very angry about it.

Demsrule86

(71,029 posts)
47. I am too.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jul 2024

One poster told me that voters would vote for whoever the money folks nominate to keep Trump out...that is not true. This would tear our party to pieces. We would lose a fair number of voters.

Mountainguy

(994 posts)
17. nothing-burger
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:41 AM
Jul 2024

The Democratic Party has it's own rules on how it nominates and how delegates are allowed to vote, If the delegate winner were to decline the nomination then the delegates, by rule, can choose the nominee. There's nothing Republicans can do about it.

Sunsky

(1,876 posts)
23. He didn't have to tell me that
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 10:59 AM
Jul 2024

That's their game plan and we're falling for it. SCOTUS will find ways to reverse themselves. They'll give us reasons states can keep such persons off the ballot, unlike the insurrectionist who they allowed to remain on the ballot.

alarimer

(16,598 posts)
25. On what grounds would they sue?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:15 AM
Jul 2024

They are not members of the Democratic Party.

But sowing chaos is what they do best, I suppose.

Takket

(22,583 posts)
30. as long as Biden releases his delegates, which he has the right to do, nothing can stop the Dems
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:20 AM
Jul 2024

the gop does not pick our nominee. neither does the court

 

Azathoth

(4,677 posts)
33. Gee, the Republicans are willing to sue to keep Biden
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 2024

on the ticket.

Yeah, that definitely proves the "pass the torch" people are so dumb and stupid.

mcar

(43,541 posts)
39. They're willing to sue to create chaos and delay
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:27 PM
Jul 2024

And the pass the torch people are idiots who didn’t see that coming.

JohnSJ

(96,657 posts)
34. Sue what. You have no standing you slimy POS. That being said, President Biden is
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:24 AM
Jul 2024

the Democratic candidate, an honorable an ethical man, who did NOT try to overthrow the US government, rape women, steal classified documents, or have a questionable relationship with Jeffrey epstein.

Go take you pseudo christian theocracy, and stick up where the sun don't shine, you hypocritical jackass.

Nixie

(17,380 posts)
36. They've already seen this tactic works for them over
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:36 AM
Jul 2024

the long run. They've played the long game and have been loading the courts for years while Democrats give their power away over purity contests. Of course they will sue, hoping to get lucky like trumps Florida judge.

Delay and creating chaos gives them more opportunity to repeat the grievance lies. Of course they will sue.

Hillary and Al Gore sure look good right about now. Look what Bush and Trump got you.

Polybius

(18,007 posts)
38. I want Biden to stay in, but they can't sue
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jul 2024

The convention didn't even happen yet. It's in August, that's when we officially nominate Biden. Just like Trump wasn't officially nominated until a few days ago at his convention.

Now, if this was September or October it might be different.

Indykatie

(3,853 posts)
48. This Chaos Will Affect Turn-out. We're Pissing Away Our Chance to Take All 3 Branches
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jul 2024

of government. I can't believe these idiots didn't think through all the ramifications of forcing Biden off the ticket. Our State parties have to be worried about the impact on down ballot races. It's like the Dems are working at losing the election.

EndlessWire

(7,265 posts)
52. Will you look at this.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jul 2024

This whole thread is, "Don't tell me what to do! I'll kick Biden off if I want to!" Whereas, not everyone wants to kick him off in any respect. See how easily manipulated we all are. It's a good discussion, learning the process, the legalities, but it's moot.

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