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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:06 PM Jan 2012

Boehner Threatens To Hold Payroll Tax Holiday Hostage To Approval Of Keystone XL

On Fox News Sunday this morning, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) told Chris Wallace that “We’re going to do everything we can to make sure the Keystone Pipeline is approved.” When Wallace pressed him whether Republican leadership would make the pipeline a condition for extending the payroll tax holiday, Boehner admitted, “We may,” adding (several times) that “All options are on the table.” Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/green/2012/01/22/408749/boehner-threatens-to-hold-payroll-tax-holiday-hostage-to-keystone-xl-pipeline/


Proponents of the pipeline have dwarfed opponents in lobbying spending, inflated the actual effect it will have on job creation, and spread various myths designed to circumvent its environmental impact.

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Boehner Threatens To Hold Payroll Tax Holiday Hostage To Approval Of Keystone XL (Original Post) cal04 Jan 2012 OP
I wish he would bigtree Jan 2012 #1
That prick had better back off. nt mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #2
This ProSense Jan 2012 #3
Payroll Tax Holiday Act: Bad Politics, Bad Policy FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #4
Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #8
a doctor fix is absolutely necessary. FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #11
I can't imagine that will go over well. Nt abelenkpe Jan 2012 #5
The GOPBaggers would sink the ship with all aboard, if it suited their perverted agenda. SoapBox Jan 2012 #6
They keep making threats BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #7
Geeze! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2012 #9
Wadda surprise, more freakin' Kabuki Theater. 99Forever Jan 2012 #10
I believe both Boner and Norquist have financial interests in the pipeline..n/t monmouth Jan 2012 #12
Fuck John Boehner. boxman15 Jan 2012 #13
And ProSense Jan 2012 #15
Who is Boehner? LiberalEsto Jan 2012 #14
John Boy jumped the shark. nm rhett o rick Jan 2012 #22
we know how this will go.environmental protects will be bypassed. desgin flaws overlooked leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #16
I hate to break the news to you, but just about every corporation in america keeps two sets of books Travis_0004 Jan 2012 #25
well that was very intreresting but those arent the two books im talking about leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #26
Why can't we just have "clean bills" anymore? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #17
and he'll lose again. Not too bright. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #18
I want a hell of a lot more than a payroll tax holiday to approve that Johonny Jan 2012 #19
Repukes really are like infants refusing to poop. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #20
Good ... he'll look like a fool AGAIN, and then have to cave in AGAIN. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #21
Great! Fuck the XL Pipeline AND the payroll tax holiday! The tax holiday was supposed to be a... Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #23
So he recieved his orders from his corporate owners! liberal N proud Jan 2012 #24

bigtree

(85,989 posts)
1. I wish he would
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jan 2012

He didn't learn his lesson. We can bury the pipeline for good, if he wants to put it front and center. In fact, we can have a debate about our nation's energy needs and the importance and efficacy of renewable forms and other alternatives.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. This
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jan 2012

"Proponents of the pipeline have dwarfed opponents in lobbying spending, inflated the actual effect it will have on job creation, and spread various myths designed to circumvent its environmental impact."

...is very true.

Whining that Keystone pipeline creates jobs?
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/1002184196

Oil and Gas Jobs Increase by 75,000 Under Obama — 69,000 More Than Would Be Created By Keystone XL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002186785

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
4. Payroll Tax Holiday Act: Bad Politics, Bad Policy
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jan 2012
As the White House and Congress engage on whether to extend the Social Security payroll tax holiday, the Republican-led house has offered HR3630, which, among other things, ties the Medicare physician fix to extending the reduced funding of Social Security. This is an example of two important challenges facing our nation being addressed with poorly thought-out legislation.

The proposed extension of the payroll tax holiday is intended to prevent a hit to our anemic economic recovery. The White House and members of Congress are selling the end of the holiday as a tax increase on the middle class. In fact, this Social Security payroll tax is actually an investment into one’s retirement account. Promoting continued reduced payment into Social Security is the same as telling folks to borrow from their retirement and spend the money now.

Shame on any citizen who buys into the political rhetoric that the opponents of extending this underfunding of future security just want to increase tax rates for the middle class. Greater shame on those politicians who make that claim. Similarly, replacing the billions of dollars (approximately $110 billion/year) that don’t come to Social Security from workers paychecks by funds the government has to borrow to cover its huge deficit is bad policy. Surely there are better initiatives to support economic growth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/12/13/payroll-tax-holiday-act-bad-politics-bad-policy/


Go ahead Boner - we don't want either one of them
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
11. a doctor fix is absolutely necessary.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jan 2012

a doctor fix is absolutely necessary. However, if done properly it can be not only self-funding, but also could save Medicare $50 billion or more per year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/12/05/the-doctors-prescription-for-restoring-health-to-medicare/

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
6. The GOPBaggers would sink the ship with all aboard, if it suited their perverted agenda.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:18 PM
Jan 2012

Oh of course, the 1%er's would have left said ship in the luxury escape rafts, while
the rest of us sink.

BumRushDaShow

(128,890 posts)
7. They keep making threats
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jan 2012

and backing themselves into corners with no trap doors for escape or overall exit strategy. Over and over and over.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,568 posts)
9. Geeze!
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jan 2012

I'm old and fat but my solution would be to ask for 10 minutes alone with him in a locked room. He'd come out singing a different tune

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
10. Wadda surprise, more freakin' Kabuki Theater.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

Golly, who could have seen that coming?

How's that capitulating thingie workin' for you Congress?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. And
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:34 PM
Jan 2012

"He's holding the American people hostage to Big Oil. Disgusting."


....he's talking shit. I mean, all Boehner has left is bluster. How exactly does he plan to implement this strategy?

The current plan was officially rejected. Congress has to take up the payroll tax cut and all he has is nonsensical threats.

Still, it's a good time for the Republicans to be seen as protecting the interest of Big Oil over the interests of the majority of Americans. Congress' approval is heading toward zero. LOL!

Idiots!

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
16. we know how this will go.environmental protects will be bypassed. desgin flaws overlooked
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jan 2012

2 sets of books will be kept. regulators bought off. 2 dozen jobs at mimwage w/no benes. all leading up to an eco-disaster for which no one will go to jail due to all the finger pointing. that about sums it up

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
25. I hate to break the news to you, but just about every corporation in america keeps two sets of books
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jan 2012

One set of books is for the IRS, following IRS rules and regulations.

A second set of books is following GAAP or IFRS rules and regulations.

The goal is to minimize the income reported to the IRS, and maximize the income reported to the SEC. This is not illegal, and is quite common. The IRS and GAAP/IFRS all have different rules and regulations, so in some cases keeping one set of books and following all rules might be difficult or impossible.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
26. well that was very intreresting but those arent the two books im talking about
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012

one set they show the inspectors the other has the real picture that kind of thing.my point is that it will be fraught with fraud, it will eventual spring a leak, it will f up the environment, no one will be held responsible and it will be all for nothing.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,407 posts)
17. Why can't we just have "clean bills" anymore?
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jan 2012

Why does something have to be tied to something else important? Why can't people just introduce legislation that we can debate and have a good clean UP-OR-DOWN VOTE on? I'm getting sick and tired of all of this "hostage-taking". I know that tying disparate pieces of legislation together has been happening forever and both parties have done it for various reasons but it's getting really old and stupid, especially since it's practically become SOP for the Republicans in Congress as a vehicle for stuffing necessary bills (i.e. appropriations) with "poison pills" that they KNOW would NEVER be passed on their own merits. If the Republicans think that they have to tie the approval of the pipeline to a payroll tax cut extension, then perhaps they don't have as strong an argument for the pipeline as they think they do. Additionally, they haven't been paying attention. President Obama didn't shut the deal down permanently but he (correctly) refused to approve it on the Repubs' timeline and without addressing pertinent environmental concerns first- not to mention that Nebraska REPUBLICANS had issues with it as well. He also left the door wide open for Keystone XL to re-apply, which I believe they are going to, so it seems as though the Republicans just want to ram this down our throats (sound familiar?) for the benefit of their buddies in the oil industry.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
23. Great! Fuck the XL Pipeline AND the payroll tax holiday! The tax holiday was supposed to be a...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jan 2012

...one time thing anyway.

PB

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