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Critics of Mortgage Deal Press Obama, State AGs to Reject Big Bank Proposal
Progressives "Furious" at Emerging Details of Mortgage Deal
By Common Dreams staff
January 23, 2012
A long anticipated draft settlement between the nation's largest private mortgage lenders and US states has been announced, but it doesn't look good for industry critics who hoped the banking giants Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citibank and Ally Financial would suffer full investigations and payouts equal to the damage they caused to homeowners and the overall economy. The deal would still have to be accepted by the states.
Earlier today the Associated Press reported:
The nation's five largest mortgage lenders have agreed to overhaul their industry after deceptive foreclosure practices drove homeowners out of their homes, government officials said Monday.
Those who lost their homes to foreclosure are unlikely to get their homes back or benefit much financially from the settlement, which could be as high as $25 billion. About 750,000 Americans about half of the households who might be eligible for assistance under the deal will likely receive checks for about $1,800.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/01/23-2
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Obama Is on the Brink of a Settlement With the Big Banksand Progressives Are Furious
George Zornickon
January 23, 2012
For months, a massive federal settlement with big Wall Street banks over their role in the mortgage crisis has been in the offing. The rumored details have always given progressives heartburn: civil immunity, no investigations, inadequate help for homeowners and a small penalty for the banks. Now, on the eve President Obamas State of the Union addressin which he plans to further advance a populist message against big money and income inequalitythe deal may be here, and its every bit as ugly as progressives feared.
The Associated Press reports that a proposed deal could be announced within weeks. Five banksBank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citibank and Ally Financial (formerly GMAC)would pay the federal government $25 billion. About $17 billion would be used to reduce the principal that some struggling homeowners owe, $5 billion more would be used for future federal and state programs and $3 billion would be used to help homeowners refinance at 5.25 percent. Civil immunity would be granted to the banks for any role in foreclosure fraud, and there would be no investigations.
Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio characterized the rumored deal as not much more than a slap on the wrist, and added that while banks were always know to be too big to fail, they were now apparently too big to jail.
When laws are broken there need to be full investigations, Brown said. Wall Street should not get another bailout.
Read the full article at:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/165806/obama-brink-settlement-big-banks-and-progressives-are-furious
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 23, 2012
Campaign for Americas Future Urges President: Stand Against a Sweetheart Deal With the Big Banks
WASHINGTON - January 23 - Robert Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for Americas Future, is urging the Obama administration to investigate the big banks on mortgage related fraud before endorsing a settlement with them. With reports circulating of a pending state attorneys general settlement with the big banks that would immunize them from prosecution and civil suit in exchange for $25 billion, largely for principal reduction for underwater homeowners, the Campaign For Americas Future has joined in a broad coalition to oppose any sweetheart deal.
Statement from Robert L. Borosage, co-director of the Campaign for Americas Future:
Americans from across the political spectrum are angry that the Wall Street banks blew up the economy and got bailed out, while home owners and taxpayers were stuck with the bill.
This is a fundamental question of justice and democracy. The law is respected only if it is enforced. Cutting a settlement with the banks before there is an investigation violates our basic sense of justice. No one who robbed a bank would be offered immunity, a modest fine and no admission of guilt before there was an investigation into who stole the money and how much they took.
And there is a fundamental question of whether the democracy can hold the wealthiest few accountable. Americans are increasingly cynical about politicians, believing that Wall Street can buy and sell Washington. This is destructive to our democracy. The Presidents campaign will highlight his commitment to fair rules and a fair shot for every American. A sweetheart deal with the banks would be a glaring contradiction to that theme. Any deal, enforced over the objections of the most independent Attorneys General, like New Yorks Eric Schneiderman, will fail that test.
What the people want is clear: Investigation before immunity. Penalize the perpetrators, not their victims. Any settlement must have sufficient scope to deal with the scale of the problem. There is an estimated $700 billion of negative equity in underwater homes. While 1 million homeowners have been helped by efforts to save homeowners, 10.7 million homeowners are underwater and that does not count people who have already suffered foreclosure. The top six banks paid bonuses worth $140 billion last year alone, or $420 billion over the last three years. They hold assets of $9.5 trillion. The rumored settlement of $25 billion is barely a slap on the wrist.
It is vital to this country that the banks are made accountable. It is vital that they do not see the law as simply a minor price of doing profitable business, a speed bump on the way to their bonuses.
With Occupy Wall Street inspiring activists and with citizens across the country being asked to pay to clean up the mess the banks created in the economy, every state Attorney General and the Administration should understand that any deal will receive widespread public scrutiny. Any settlement must be able to satisfy the standards of justice and fairness. What is now on the table does not come close.
I want to laud Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.) for defending the most vulnerable consumers and for advocating for better solutions to the foreclosure crisis.
Act now: Stand Against a Sweetheart Deal for the Banks!
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The Campaign for Americas Future is the strategy center for the progressive movement. Our goal is to forge the enduring progressive majority needed to realize the America of shared prosperity and equal opportunity that our country was meant to be.
http://www.ourfuture.org/news-release/2012010423/campaign-america-s-future-urges-president-stand-against-sweetheart-deal-big-
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 23, 2012
Statement by AFL-CIO President Richard L. Trumka on Possible Bank Mortgage and Foreclosure Fraud Settlement
WASHINGTON - January 23 - We need to hold banks accountable for the fraudulent practices that brought about the worst economic crisis since the Depression. State Attorneys General have been investigating bank fraud, and these critical investigations must not be undermined by a premature and inadequate settlement. We call on the administration to reject any deal that insulates banks from full responsibility.
It is critical that the Department of Justice lead a comprehensive investigation together with the state Attorneys General to prevent banks from engaging in future unlawful and deceptive practices that could exploit homeowners and put the economy further at risk.
We commend state Attorneys General like New York's Eric Schneiderman and Delaware's Beau Biden for their leadership and courage in calling for a real investigation and relief on a scale that helps the millions of homeowners who face a new wave of foreclosures.
The economy is currently weighed down by $750 billion in negative home equity, so relief on a massive scale is needed to lift home values and stimulate the economy by increasing consumer demand. A comprehensive settlement must force banks to write down underwater mortgages. A sum significantly larger than the rumored $25 billion is needed for the economy to grow and create jobs.
Specifically, the administration must stand strong against the big banks and insist on:
1) A full and thorough investigation into problems tied to the residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS) market, and
2) A guaranteed minimum amount of money set aside for reducing the mortgage principal of "underwater" homeowners in key states impacted by the foreclosure crisis.
This is an opportunity for the administration to demonstrate leadership and show that it has the political will to do what's right for homeowners and right for our economy.
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The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is a voluntary federation of 56 national and international labor unions. The AFL-CIO union movement represents 10.5 million members, including 2 million members in Working America, its new community affiliate. We are teachers and truck drivers, musicians and miners, firefighters and farm workers, bakers and bottlers, engineers and editors, pilots and public employees, doctors and nurses, painters and laborers-and more.
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/01/23-8
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Same shit brought here by chief Bringer.
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Do you wish to refute anything in any of the four articles?
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)At least one was already posted with the same subject. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002207738
I'm sure that you missed that by accident.
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Thanks.
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)You read them. What do you think about them?
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)You're answering a question with a question!
I think that could be described as a non-answer or evasion.
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)Why did you think this was interesting to post? What is your opinion of the issues you presented?
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Your turn!
Robb
(39,665 posts)this is an important issue and deserves to be discussed.
Renew Deal
(81,851 posts)What's new?
paulk
(11,586 posts)that it's hardly just progressives that are worried about this. And I don't think the constant vilification of "progressives" by certain of Obama's more ardent supporters serves Obama well. It's a cheap tactic used to shut off debate.
It's bullshit, IMHO. This subject needs to be discussed - Obama needs to be pressured - and diverting by trying to single out and ridicule, incorrectly at that, a subset of Democrats, isn't going to help in that effort.
girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)always mad when their pensions get sold out to Wall Street crooks and reckless oil companies cause massive pollution and stuff like that.
Wish they would just STFU already!
Swede
(33,230 posts)nt
Whisp
(24,096 posts)like, totally.
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Do you have anything at all to challenge the articles .... anything?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)have anything at all to convey your understanding of the articles.....anything?
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Go ahead.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)and easy to dance to....
That was stunningly superficial. Now...care to add some substance, in your own words?
IOW....reinforce your support of the articles the same way you demand substantive rebuttal.
You posted them, so you must have enough understanding to provide some manner of supportive commentary?
Oh dear... You even cut and paste your own responses?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002210116#post38
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...it is far from being dead...he still has plenty of time to cave on that one as well...
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Informative as usual, thanks.
AnOhioan
(2,894 posts)babylonsister
(171,042 posts)I haven't labeled myself yet, but I'm not furious. I'm pretty furious at the weak rethug lineup...
bhikkhu
(10,714 posts)...back when all this debate started, when Schneiderman was looking like backing NY out of the agreement, the big worry was that the administration would tie the AG's hands by giving criminal immunity. Of course, the president assured that that's not what they were going to do, but (as per usual) there was no end to angst and fear that he'd give in to the bank's lobby.
So he didn't give an inch, apparently - no criminal immunity was granted, the $20 billion fine of summer has become $25 billion, and the AG's are free as they have always been to prosecute to their heart's content (which hasn't been very much). Yet there is no end to griping anyway.
The technical issues of robo-signing were very suited to a civil penalty, and the amount - as tiny as people like to say it is - is one of the largest fines ever levied, and it will do a great deal of good. Of course, if the banks had a shot at keeping that 25 billion - say, by stirring the pot about how it was a big waste, how a better agreement might be had, how Obama had sold everybody out - and by filling the pockets of whatever repug was running for office against him...then they might be completely off the hook in a year's time, with few worries at all. It makes me wonder who might be paying for all the big press of news griping about "Obama's bad deal".
Confusious
(8,317 posts)( Civil, criminal. No investigations means no criminal suit.)
B. These guys brought the economy to the brink and profited from it. They should be hung by their thumbs.
O, of course, of course, Obamas not a dictator, lilly ledbetter, Th Republicans, blah blah blah.
NOW it's the Republicans could get in in a year and not do anything, except the states attorney generals would have the power to continue the suit. And the administration didn't step in until most of them where suing the banks.
I'm getting tired of being handed a shit sandwich and being told it's The best motherfucking PB&J I've ever had.
bhikkhu
(10,714 posts)Basically the same as double jeopardy, though of course one may be prosecuted in criminal court for something that has been settled in a civil court. If you look at the actual conduct that is being settled for, its pretty technical, careless, perhaps contemptuous, but in itself demonstrated more incompetence than an organized or successful attempt at fraud.
In any case, anyone who wants to hang them by their thumbs (assuming you means in a legal/criminal sense) remains free to do so - that would typically be the job of the AG's.
...such as this case, very much approved of by the president's attorney general: http://peoplesworld.org/bank-pays-biggest-settlement-ever-in-mortgage-rip-off/
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Well, if a corporation was an actual person ( Not just legal ), yes, hang them by their thumbs.
Since they are not, legal sense.
$35 million is a measly fine. For this sort of criminal shit, it should have been $35 million for every year it went on, and all profits them made from doing the illegal shit. And if their books aren't good enough, take all their profits for the year.
It may seem harsh, but I get no less when I get a ticket. If it's large enough, some months I have to do without.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)fraudulent banksters who forged documents to force them out of their homes. My friend is one of them. So now, after finally getting acknowledgement that her home was unlawfully taken from her, the only recourse she had will no longer be available to her. That's the thanks her dead husband, a war veteran, gets for serving his country. Everytime I see politicians talking about how they respect the troops, I feel like throwing up.
The law mill that handled that illegal foreclosure along with 50,000 others (all of whom are involved in a Rico class action suit against them) has been forced to shut down finally. But what happens now to that lawsuit, to hers and to all the others who lost their homes??
You would think the Party of the People would be fighting for the people. Instead they are so often so willing to dismiss the pain and horror many of these homeowners were put through, some to the point of committing suicide. Wish I could summon up some sympathy for the wealthy Bankers and just forget about the working class. I just can't do it though.
Let them eat cake!
newspeak
(4,847 posts)I'm more concerned about what's happening with these families than these shyster bankers.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)knowing that the 1% will be protected at all costs and destroying the economy via fucking the 99% will go virtually unpunished under both Democratic & Republican regimes. Yeah, some low-level punks will get tossed in the clink, but they're always expendable. Just as long as the elite go essentially unscathed, it's all good.
sendero
(28,552 posts)..... to mean ANYTHING, our Justice Dept and AGs have to actually enforce the law. They haven't been for years so I see no reason to think they are suddenly going to.
This is de facto blanket immunity.
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)Dear XXXXXXXXXXXX
Sometime very soon, President Obama has a decision to make. The consequences will impact the lives of millions of underwater homeowners and the future of our economy.
Settlement talks with the Big Banks that caused our mortgage crisis are ongoing. And the Obama administration is a big part of those talks. The President and administration officials can either let Big Banks and mortgage fraudsters off the hook with a slap on the wristor push for real accountability.
Sign our petition to President Obama urging him to side with working families.
Big Banks and mortgage fraudsters have a lot to answer for. They abused and defrauded consumersand their greed and recklessness caused a devastating financial crisis. There are 7.5 million homes that have entered the foreclosure process, with another 4.8 million homeowners at risk.
Now, its time to set things right. The Obama administration should reject any weak settlement that amounts to a slap on the wrist for bankers and fraudsters and push for a robust settlement that provides relief to millions of underwater homeowners.
Tell President Obama: Its critical that the Department of Justice lead a comprehensive investigation. We need you to fight to hold Big Banks and mortgage fraudsters accountable and keep millions of Americans in their homes.
State Attorneys General from coast to coast have been investigating bank fraud. And a group of themincluding New Yorks Eric Schneiderman and Delaware's Beau Bidenhave stood up for working families by working for a robust settlement that provides real accountability and has the potential to keep millions of underwater Americans in their homes.
This work must not be undermined by a premature and inadequate settlement. Wrongdoing was committed on a massive scale. Thats why its time for the Obama administration and the Justice Department to lead a full investigationand work with the bravest state Attorneys General like Schneiderman and Biden to fight for real accountability and a tough settlement.
Tell President Obama: We need a settlement strong enough to ensure that this never happens again.
A key to getting our economy moving again is providing relief to underwater homeowners and making sure this kind of abuse never happens again. President Obama has to get this right. Lets help him do the right thing.
Thank you for all the work you do.
In Solidarity,
Richard L. Trumka
President, AFL-CIO
WillyT
(72,631 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Fuck that...I want Democrats to ACT like fucking Democrats...
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...what's that line? Fool me once....
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...and we hold them accountable...
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)to read the actual agreement before deciding what I think about it. There will be time. The details of it are not known. Experience has demonstrated that getting my Fruit of the Looms all twisted up before actually seeing what is in a draft document is a mistake.
So, when this is produced and I can look at it, I'll probably have something to say. But then, I'm not in the business of opining on things to make Obama look bad. Some folks have to earn their living that way, so they write about things before they really know what's in them.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)We have to wait on the states to see how story ends.
Bashers leave pivital information out of their narrative in regards to Obama
Swede
(33,230 posts)Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)I think I have already read their line of crap.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Shall we all plug our ears?
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)to back off? In making endless excuses for the President, his supporters who choose to forgive EVERYTHING have to ignore a whole hell of a lot!
So what about pressuring states to back off investigations & prosecutions? Here are two examples:
From the NY Times:
In recent weeks, Shaun Donovan, the secretary of Housing and Urban Development, and high-level Justice Department officials have been waging an intensifying campaign to try to persuade the attorney general to support the settlement, said the people briefed on the talks.
Mr. Schneiderman and top prosecutors in some other states have objected to the proposed settlement with major banks, saying it would restrict their ability to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing in a variety of areas, including the bundling of loans in mortgage securities.
But Mr. Donovan and others in the administration have been contacting not only Mr. Schneiderman but his allies, including consumer groups and advocates for borrowers, seeking help to secure the attorney generals participation in the deal, these people said. One recipient described the calls from Mr. Donovan, but asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation.
And in a separate NY Times article:
Mr. Pecora found more questions than answers, and insisted on more subpoenas, more forensic investigators and more brokers testifying under oath. Like a man reaching into a barrel of dead fish, he found a great stink. Not least, he discovered that National City (the lineal ancestor of the same misbehaving Citigroup) had sold flawed investments and that its president engaged in something close to tax evasion.
Seventy-eight years later, the Obama administration has Shaun Donovan, secretary of housing and urban development; the economic adviser Gene Sperling; and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. dialing liberals, activists and bloggers, urging them to pressure the rebellious attorneys general to forgo emotionally satisfying inquiries and take the deal.
-- how do you ignore this?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Justice: More sacrifice from the rest of us.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Raise Hell NOW! before it is too late.
The White House is watching these Trial Balloons.
The White House is also watching those attempting to Oil the Troubled Waters,
and evaluating how effective they are at deflating the issue.
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(884 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)The deal does not include, for example, any immunity from prosecution.
It also does not preclude any investigations.
What can we learn from this?
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)CASE CLOSED.
Robb
(39,665 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)The banksters can breath easier now.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)That's why the deal was approved by Calif. and NY. This case only involves what happened to the documentation. It is not the final deal.
TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)The "final deal" what be an utter clusterfuck and this is a step in that direction.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.