***** GOP Debate: January 23rd - 9pm ET on NBC - Live Steam links below ***** PART TWO

[Tx4obama]

Live Stream Links:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rock-center/46058377#46058377
http://www.rentadrone.tv/debate/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-the-nbcnational-journal-republican-debate-live-here/
http://webboobtube.com/nbc.html
http://www.tampabay.com/


Part ONE of the debate thread is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002208994

[one_voice]

1. Thanks for starting the...

second one!!

[Tx4obama]

3. You're welcome :) n/t

[oberliner]

2. Santorum seems cool with oil spills

Not a problem - doesn't even respond to the BP spill component of the question.

[powergirl]

4. Newtie is showing his stripes

talk about Greek Independence Day to a largely Spanish Speaking State. Nice strategy.

[coalition_unwilling]

6. "Greek Independence Day"???? That sounded really strange to me. I've never

heard of it. Whom were the Greeks declaring independence from????

[oberliner]

8. From the Ottoman Empire

Traveling in Greece this March? Independence Day on March 25th will fill the streets with parades and celebrations, both secular and sacred. In Athens, military parades for Independence Day will vie with Feast of the Annunciation church celebrations and anti-war demonstrations, keeping the streets both busy and sometimes blocked.

In 1821, Greeks vigorously rose up against the oppressive Ottoman Empire which had occupied Greece for nearly four hundred years...

http://gogreece.about.com/cs/folkloreevents/a/greeceindepend.htm

[coalition_unwilling]

13. Wow, learn something new every day. I was thinking the Greeks need to

declare independence from the EU and the international banking cabal.

Didn't realize Greeks had revolted against Ottomans.

[highplainsdem]

10. Wikipedia link to info. There are festivals and parades in various cities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

[coalition_unwilling]

25. Thanks. Will check out later when debate is over. - n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

5. I'm flashing back to the 1840s and the Know-Nothings (one of the

precursors of the Repukes, nativism and the KKK). Eeeek, they'll campaign in Spanish but not allow government to provide services in Spanish.

[klook]

67. +1

Exactly right. The hypocrisy is staggering.

[oberliner]

7. Mitt seems weak and confused

Newt, disdainful as his views are, at least seems to have a handle on what he believes.

[powergirl]

9. Self Deportation - Isn't that the set up we have now?

Save the taxpayers bus fare I suppose. Seriously???? WTF????

[Thrill]

11. Mittens is such a Phoney

Stiff as a board

[oberliner]

12. Question about sugar turns into "homes underwater" ??

Skip answering the question and give the stump speech.

That's the Mitt approach to debating.

[Greywing]

18. I can't stand Willard's effing lies .....

Why are they all allowed to spew filthy lies without being challenged?

[oberliner]

24. Because the moderators are idiots?

I really wish the moderators would focus more on nailing them on this stuff rather than trying to mix it up on the other nonsense.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Scared of being called "liberal media," they allow these ReThugs to get away with all kinds of lies.

And that's what's so scary. People vote based on these lies! If the media would simply do its job, we would not have endured 8 years of "Dumbya" Bush!!

[Greywing]

27. Ain't that the truth n/t

[Tx4obama]

31. I wish that Politifact would host/moderate a debate and have them do their fact-checkinig 'during'

the debate.
They could have a half dozen folks on their team sitting in front of computers pulling up the facts and during the second half of the debate state the facts and let the candidate try to squirm out of what they had said during the first half of the debate

[oberliner]

35. Tampa Bay Times owns Politifact

This would have been the debate for that to have happened.

[Tx4obama]

37. When did that happen? Politifact used to be St. Petersburg Times last time I noticed ...

that's strange.

I wonder if Bill Adair and Angie and the rest of the gang are still there.

[oberliner]

41. The St. Petersburg Times is now the Tampa Bay Times

Same paper, different name.

[Tx4obama]

44. Ah, okay. Thanks for the info :) n/t

[NAO]

69. Real-time fact checking, with confrontation, would be the most awesome thing ever!

See them squirm and try to rationalize. Score the debate not just on point won, but on points lost due to candidates lies or ignorance

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

16. When he goes in after President Obama and how the president "has failed," he sounds

desperate and pleading.

[BadgerKid]

22. IMO it's channeling Bachmann. n/t

[elleng]

14. Now is mitt's dump on PrezO moment.

[powergirl]

15. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

So Bored

[Tx4obama]

20. With Bachmann, Cain, and Perry gone - it's not as crazy as it used to be :( n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

30. Not as crazy but still just as terrifying and horrifying (and

disgusting

[one_voice]

17. Interesting...

politifact PolitiFact
Gingrich says he balanced four budgets when he was speaker. False. bit.ly/yyEkn2
9 minutes ago

http://twitter.com/politifact

I hope the Dems go after him on this lie.

[oberliner]

19. Every debate helps Newt and hurts Mitt

I am honestly starting to feel like Newt might pull this out.

Which I think is great news for Obama.

[powergirl]

23. Newt just got another "important" endorsement

Fred Thompson - I totally forgot about him - did anyone ask him for an endorsement??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/fred-thompson-newt-gingrich_n_1225668.html

[oberliner]

32. He was big for a few weeks

Sort of like a Rick Perry situation.

[Thrill]

21. Self deportation? Is this guy fucking serious?

He can't be

[flamingdem]

28. Mittens gets major softball question in FL

Nasa? Yeh.

[oberliner]

29. Newt believes there should be "prizes" to get the space program going?

Prizes?

[Reticuli]

71. of course

It's called the Zubrin-Gingrich Prize Program and is associated with Robert Zubrin's Mars Direct plan. Haven't you read The Case for Mars? It's genius. This comment by Newt was the single best moment in any presidential debate in years. All he needed to add was support for the Open Fuel Standard Act, and all the idiots on stage would have been seen for what they are. "No-balls Obama" wouldn't stand much chance against an ambitious opponent like that. Obama might be better in some aspects, but the man has no vision. It's all this rote rhetoric and middling compromise. The man is boring. At least Newt brought up his desire to get rid of subsidies and the obscure inter-competition by the various lobbies who support them. From Obama you’d just get this smile and off-handed comment like he was too good to even discuss the matter.

[jannyk]

33. Great tax question - completely sidestepped by Newt.

[onehandle]

34. Big lie, Newt. The Bush tax cuts are a big reason the economy tanked.

You're smart, Newt. Too smart.

[oberliner]

36. Very calculated answer

He knows what he is doing there.

Unlike Mitt who hems and haws and looks weak.

[Greywing]

46. I hope Newt takes the Florida primary

and kicks Romney's ass. Newt is just plain mean and nasty and I don't believe Independents will vote for him. Mitt just wants to POUS more than anything and will do and say anything to buy the Presidency.

[oberliner]

47. I get the feeling he will

Mitt is on the ropes.

[onehandle]

68. Very true. nt

[jberryhill]

38. They have a drug for people who make gang signs with their hand!?

[oberliner]

39. What is the takeaway going to be from this debate?

Seems like it was a snoozer.

What are the headlines going to be?

[Tx4obama]

42. The only big time they cheered was for the death of Castro ...

I didn't notice anything that would make a huge headline tonight.


Here's two headlines that are out already

Newt Gingrich Catches Mitt Romney Flat-Footed In Freddie Mac Tussle
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-catches-mitt-romney-flat-footed-in-freddie-mac-tussle/

Mitt Romney On Illegal Immigration: ‘The Answer Is Self-Deportation’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mitt-romney-on-illegal-immigration-the-answer-is-self-deportation/

[oberliner]

45. Self-Deportation is going to sound silly to people, isn't it?

I think that has got to hurt Romney.

[Tx4obama]

53. Yeah, it sounds pretty dumb to me :) n/t

[Greywing]

54. I think you're correct

Still shaking my head in disbelief over that one

[oberliner]

63. I think it's another nail in the Mitt coffin

Although GWB has said a lot stupider things and still managed to come out ahead.

[jannyk]

40. Mitt should have said "I raised a family with one wife" he missed a golden op

[oberliner]

43. I think it would've hurt him if he went too far in that direction

Good for him to hint at it and leave it there.

[jannyk]

48. The End

Pretty boring second half.

[elleng]

49. PolitiFact

Romney said he didn't inherit from his parents. Half True. http://ow.ly/8DNxG #FLdebate

[Tx4obama]

50. The next GOP DEBATE will be Thursday - January 26, 2012 - 8pm ET on CNN

That's all folks!

[oberliner]

52. Good lord - how many of these do we need?

This is insane!

[Tx4obama]

55. Actually the number of GOP debates is in the normal range

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The Democrats had 26 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_democratic_debates

The GOP had 21 debates during the 2008 primary campaign.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_republican_debates

This time around The GOP will have a total of 24 during the 2012 primary campaign
LIST of all scheduled Republican Party 2012 presidential debates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_republican_debates

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I think that it seems like the GOP is having too many debate this go-round is because many of them are scheduled too close to each other.

[oberliner]

59. No it's not

During the 1999-2000 campaign, Republicans engaged in just three primary debates.

In 2004, Democrats staged just two primary debates, none before the first vote in Iowa.

What has happened in the last two cycles is way way way beyond the "normal range" by any measure.

[Tx4obama]

65. Well, what I meant is that it's not much different than 2008.

Perhaps this is the 'new' normal

[oberliner]

66. Yeah - the "new normal"

Lord knows where we go from here.

[jannyk]

56. Another in 3 days!? Good Lord.

[oberliner]

51. Spin: Newt is the front-runner

But does he have enough money?

If Romney can't win Florida, he can't win the nomination.

[Greywing]

57. Reports are that another $5M was donated to Newt's Super Pac today

the casino owner's wife

[oberliner]

61. Looks like Adelson backed the right horse

A Gingrich win in Florida could be big.

[sadbear]

58. Winning our future just got $5 million

Thanks Citizens United.

[highplainsdem]

60. Williams commenting on how "remarkably quickly" the audience left. Wonder why?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

62. Because it was boring as shit. LOL!!

[sfpcjock]

64. Plz be "with Snootie", so his coatails don't drag down the entire GOP in Nov, lol

[sfpcjock]

70. Mitt Romney: self-decapitation ("self-deportation"), lol

" target="_blank"> Mitt Romney--self-decapitation ('self-deportation'), lol (video)

[Mosaic]

72. Republicans are children

They are very simple, very ignorant, and very selfish. The debates are a waste of time for normal people.