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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:46 PM Jan 2013

The media must be tired of the GOP. Now they're on about the Democrats coming civil war

For Democrats, there may be few things more entertaining than watching the Republican Party self-destruct and fight with itself these last few weeks. But it may be time to put away the party favors – because a Democratic internal war may be on the way.
Just as Republicans were so divided over taxes – from failing to pass their own “Plan B” bill last week, to their leaders splitting votes on last night’s legislative package – Democrats are about to endure an emotional debate about one of their own bedrock principles: the protection of programs like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.



The biggest reform Republicans have vowed to push for in these upcoming standoffs is so-called “entitlement reform,” a.k.a. “deficit reduction,” a.k.a., cutting social insurance and benefits for those in need.The problem for Democrats: No one in the party agrees on how to address the issue.But coming on the heels of a campaign that explicitly litigated the twin issues of tax fairness and protecting benefits for those in need, Obama finds himself with a growing, emboldened liberal wing of his party. And it’s as dead set against balancing the deficit on the backs of the neediest Americans, as House conservatives are to raising taxes.

This sets up, of course, Democrats’ own version of intra-party chaos, and it goes far beyond the typical grumbling and chest-thumping about Obama’s negotiating skills or scoring political points. This is about bedrock principles. “Soul of the party” kind of stuff.There are many ways to define and differentiate Democrats, but one critical way is on economic issues. On the one hand are the economic liberals, who believe in a government that protects those who need protecting and promises a social contract encouraging shared prosperity. This entails an ironclad commitment to earned benefits and social insurance programs, even if that might require increased tax revenues from the top income margins.

On the other side are what might be called the SPECs, or Socially Progressive Economic Conservatives. These are the party members and leaders focused more on issues like reproductive health or marriage equality, and less guided by economic fairness credos like protecting the poor, elderly, and sick. Some may even pride themselves on austerity, by capping property taxes while cutting public services, facing down unions representing working class Americans, and promoting what they call “pro-business” or “pro-growth” agendas.Just as Republicans are now undergoing their own noisy, awkwardly public process to figure out what they stand for, Democrats may soon find out which part of their party prevails on economic issues. The answer could have serious ramifications regarding the kind of support many Americans receive from their government during a historic recession. And who the Democratic party selects to lead it, a few years down the road.






http://www.buzzfeed.com/blakezeff/the-democrats-coming-civil-war


Not that this won't be an issue but it's like the media is trying to start something because they're bored.




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The media must be tired of the GOP. Now they're on about the Democrats coming civil war (Original Post) octoberlib Jan 2013 OP
Theoretical Civil war with Democrats Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #1
It is part of their "both parties are the same" meme. FSogol Jan 2013 #2
The MSM PROTECTS the GOP whenever it can CakeGrrl Jan 2013 #3
What nonsense, I hate to say. el_bryanto Jan 2013 #4
Yep! WCGreen Jan 2013 #5
Progressives have never had real political power. Boomerproud Jan 2013 #6
A SPEC-tre is haunting the Democratic Party - n/t coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #7
This article sets up a false choice. What about letting MMS negotiate prices??? reformist2 Jan 2013 #8

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
1. Theoretical Civil war with Democrats
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jan 2013

meanwhile we are watching a full blown civil war with Republicans as we speak. Haha that is rich.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
3. The MSM PROTECTS the GOP whenever it can
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jan 2013

Whatever it can find to distract from negative news for the GOP, it uses. The MSM isn't tired of the GOP; it's trying to cover for them.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
4. What nonsense, I hate to say.
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jan 2013

The truth of the matter is that progressives are pretty much cowed. For all the noise we make, we don't have the money or the votes to get the wall street guys on the top react to our issues.

It would be nice to believe we could; but barring a sea change (or real campaign finance reform) - it's unlikely to happen.

Bryant

Boomerproud

(7,949 posts)
6. Progressives have never had real political power.
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jan 2013

Money is power. Greed in good. That is human history and has always been so.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
8. This article sets up a false choice. What about letting MMS negotiate prices???
Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:02 PM
Jan 2013

I'm so sick of some pretty obvious solutions to the ever-growing cost of medical care being ignored, only because a handful of people on top like being able to engage in profiteering and price gouging. :/

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