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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid you just see Rachael's story on Shell Oil rig in Alaska that has run aground?
Really scary! I can't believe the Obama administration allows this type of catastrophe in the making. I don't see how cleanup could ever be accomplished. Glad it's there instead of Polar Bear habitat.
Stinky The Clown
(67,764 posts)It was actually being towed to Seattle when this happened.
It has (relatively) little fuel oils on board.
Yes, scary.
I'm not sure how Obama caused this.
Yes, I am unhappy with his offshore drilling permissiveness.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,764 posts)That's not small, but as oil spills go, it isn't big. Most are in the multiple millions of gallons.
The BP thing was 11 million gallons a *day* . . . . . this would be less than 15 minutes of what that one was.
No, it isn't a good thing, but there has been plenty that are worse.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Being pounded by fifty foot waves but not leaking anything as yet...
highplainsdem
(48,917 posts)links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4985785
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/oil-exploration-under-arctic-ice-could-cause-uncontrollable-natural-disaster-2349788.html
The first is my Sept. 2011 LBN topic about that Guardian story. I've posted a lot of LBN topics, but this story was frightening enough that I haven't forgotten it.
I'll just copy my LBN OP below:
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Tue Sep-06-11 12:46 AM
Oil exploration under Arctic ice could cause 'uncontrollable' natural disasterSource: The Independent
Oil from an undersea leak will not only be very hard to deal with in Arctic conditions, it will interact with the surface sea ice and become absorbed in it, and will be transported by it for as much as 1,000 miles across the ocean, according to Peter Wadhams, Professor of ocean physics at the University of Cambridge.
The interaction, discovered in large-scale experiments 30 years ago, means that the Arctic oil rush, which was given a huge boost last week with a $3.2 billion (£1.9bn) investment from Exxon Mobil, is likely to be the riskiest form of oil exploration ever undertaken, said Professor Wadhams, who is a former director of Cambridge's Scott Polar Research Institute.
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"The oil is caught underneath the ice, so you can't get at immediately to clean it up or burn it off. You don't know exactly where it is, and then it gets encapsulated in the new ice which grows underneath, so you then have a kind of oil sandwich inside the pack ice.
"And that's being transported around the Arctic and isn't released until spring, when it may be several hundred or even a thousand miles from the source of the spill, so you can have a huge area of the Arctic becoming polluted by oil without initially it being clear where that oil is."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/oil-exploration-under-arctic-ice-could-cause-uncontrollable-natural-disaster-2349788.html
The article mentions the other risks of going after the oil in the Arctic -- "ice encroachment, the remoteness of the Arctic, darkness, extreme weather, deep water, high seas, freezing conditions and icebergs" -- but the most worrisome information here is about how the oil will interact with ice, and this information is based on a study done off the coast of Canada in the 1970s.
Not only would spilled oil be trapped in the ice and transported vast distances by it, but when it thaws it will be still be fresh oil because the ice will have kept it from weathering. And Professor Wadhams points out it will be released on the edges of pack ice, where migratory birds feed.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Nobody else has mentioned that rig.
And she didn't fail to mention the huge gift of money the govt gives to oil...shocking.
Hope the other networks get the story...
Last Stand
(472 posts)The thing looked like a city washed up on a beautiful beach. 150,000 gallons of fuel poised to kill anything it touches.
NOthing to see here...
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)They pulled 22 people of the rig. I miss kodiak, best SAR in the world.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but didn't get much response. I'm glad Rachel has picked up the story. This is big news up here, especially since Shell has had so many missteps during this process.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022109123
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014353015
Here's the latest from the Anchorage Daily News, which is on top of this story.
http://www.adn.com/2013/01/01/2739838/kulluk-final.html
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)I wish everyone would read the links...it's truly an important an scary story. Can you just imagine the horror of ever fighting an oil well leak in the Arctic? Impossible...It would possibly leak till the well emptied out and the pressure gone. The thoughts of so much death and destruction is sickening!
We need to call our representatives right now and get this madness stopped!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Critics say grounding shows Arctic drilling danger
http://www.adn.com/2013/01/01/2739720/no-fuel-sheen-no-sign-that-hull.html#storylink=relast
Stinky The Clown
(67,764 posts)I don't think this grounding, in and of itself, is going to be that big a deal.
As a small model for what is possible, it is valuable. This is a "What Could Have Been" teachable moment.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)This year, but it's been one mishap after another, almost a comedy of errors, and they haven't even begun drilling yet. This grounding is just the latest fuck-up.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)With 50 foot waves and near hurricane force winds beating that barge on the rocks...I can very well see a hole punched in it's hull and no roads or rescue equipment in sight.