Is Support For Gang Rape in Steubenville, OH Generational? This Tweet Suggests It Is

[Oilwellian]

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I've been following the Anonymous KnightSec Twitter account, and they've been posting a lot of information about their rally held in Steubenville, OH yesterday, in support of the victim. As I was scrolling through their Tweets from last night, I came across a copy of this Facebook entry, posted by a woman who wanted to attend the rally but couldn't.


https://twitter.com/KYAnonymous/status/287776950028754944/photo/1

This woman was brave enough to post this testimony on a social website, under her real name, and that gives it a great deal of credibility. She officially made herself a victim coming forward. It suggests gang rape is a long held tradition in Steubenville, OH and I am now thinking it is something being passed down to their sons.

It's time we demand the FBI provide far more than just "technical support" to those who are enabling the tradition. It's time for a full-blown FEDERAL investigation. This girl was lured to the crime and then carried over state lines. WHY haven't the Feds taken control yet?

[riverbendviewgal]

1. I would like to see CNN take this up

It should be forwarded ton them.. This sounds like a very very sick town.

[bettyellen]

17. AC360 let the perps lawyer say it wasn't rape because at some moments she was conscious and also

that it wasn't rape because it was a date. They let both misstatements of the law go completely unchallenged.

[seabeyond]

21. a movie a couple years ago, woman sloppy drunk. passes out. a man fucking her

he stops to question the rightness of fuckin an unconscious woman. she wakes up and slurs, why did ya stop and passes out again. and he continues with the fuck.

that is our entertainment.

we had a handful of men defending the right to fuck her. she consented.

[bettyellen]

24. Similar behavior in teen movie "Sixteen Candles" cute hero guy has "drunk slut" GF passed out in car

We're supposed to think he's a great guy because he declines to fuck her when she's unconscious (only because he prefers Molly Ringwald) and so he gives the girl over to a horny little guy and encourages him to give it a go. And he does, and it's supposed to be funny because the dweeb finally gets laid, and the drunk girl is not angry.

That's the hero of a John Hughes movie for teenagers. This is part of our culture.

[seabeyond]

46. perfect. yes. and i believe animal house had a similar scene. nt

[Ilsa]

76. Revenge of the Nerds did.

The slutty but perky cheerleader or sorority girl/homecoming queen with the football jock boyfriend has sex with a guy in a mask that she thought was her boyfriend. It's one of the nerds, but of course the sex is so good she falls for him.

That scene always bothered me because it's a rape scene!

[seabeyond]

77. amazing. i have never gotten into the pimply teenage boy movies, lol. that is all they are.

but, amazing the number of movies validating rape.

[Arcanetrance]

38. What movie is that forgive me I don't watch many

[seabeyond]

47. i dont watch many either. it was a thread on du, asking if it was rape. i do not remember the name

and i only saw the scene of rape... ya, calling it what it was, though really suppose to be a chuckle for the eyes.

ugly ass dude, of course, with the cute girl. everything about that was for the pimply kid.

[Arcanetrance]

70. I have a pretty dark sense of humor but rape should

Never be used as a source of comedic value it ruins lives. I speak from personal experience having had it happen by a friend of the family. I refused to admit to anyone til I was 18

[seabeyond]

73. ....

so many refuse to share it.

i never see the humor in it. will stop me cold each. and. every. time.

[Arcanetrance]

78. Your right alot don't it was hard to me cause being male I felt like that doesn't happen.

It was a friend of my mother's who does some empowerment seminars to convince me cause my mother always suspected. I don't like how there is a culture of rape taught to many of my fellow males my grandfather and uncle always tried to teach all the males in the family that they were the superior gender. Needless to say we no longer speak

[bettyellen]

50. I know the rapist was Seth Rogan... it might have been about mall cops?

And the joke was, she wakes up a moment, and says "why did you stop (fucking)?" So that's supposed to make it okay.
Anyway, you'll find it now if you google the name and rape movie.

[seabeyond]

53. thank you betty. that was the actor. nt

[calimary]

80. Welcome to DU, Arcanetrance!

Glad you're here! We look in depth at a LOT of issues here, and we don't always agree. But the arguments coming from any perspective are well worth reading and thinking about. This is the best political site on the internets!

[Arcanetrance]

82. Thank you I like not everyone getting along it helps to keep ones mind keen

[Spirochete]

123. I think I remember seeing that one

it was Observe and Report, with Seth Rogen and Anna Faris. It was a sucky movie, but I think I remember a scene like that.

[Darly314]

125. "THEY" do not know law from liver

The State noticed, the Defense chirped a LOT today, not just about Maggot Nodianos' ABSENCE from OSU either. Attorney for the never charged Nodianos admitting client used alcohol illegally.....ODD.

[roguevalley]

22. I would like the Feds to step in.

[riverbendviewgal]

92. Somewhere on the Local Leaks

I think there was a question about the Local FBI too being in cahoots..

[seabeyond]

95. the fbi of the regions son got in trouble. the sheriff helped him out and the prosecutor was

a character witness, or something like.

[riverbendviewgal]

97. How sweet

and scary

[seabeyond]

98. i think it is the state attorney, who stepped in? has a son that applied to this force and out of 3

candidates he was the low score, yet got the job. and the state attorney is friends with the prosecutor.

i THINK. dont quote me on it. but, it leaves us not really trusting the two that are supposing to be assuring that the law is carried out.

[riverbendviewgal]

99. Was that a FBI guy investigating or BCI of Ohio?

I read BCI.

[seabeyond]

100. interesting question. i heard the state, so maybe it is BCI. but i also heard the FBI was brought

in and that would be regional. BUT... seeing how regional FBI dude has been publicly outed as a patsy for this town, maybe the higher ups would recognize.

not sure if BCI would be separate of the state attorney. if you have power over them, or they are independent.

all interesting.

i guess this is the stuff that would be wait and see.

[riverbendviewgal]

101. check the leaks site again

they named names and the guy was from BCI. which I understood was Ohio bureau criminal investigation. did not say FBI

[Megaone23]

115. CNN did cover it

They didn't do a very good job "covering" it though...

[riverbendviewgal]

119. i agree

Just a thin veil of coverage.

[Voice for Peace]

2. the more attention these issues get, the harder it becomes to get away with vile crimes.

SOCIAL MEDIA ROCKS & is changing the world, really quickly.

[Oilwellian]

4. It's kind of like...

A new version of the old tradition our ancestors practiced called Public Shaming. Only now, it's a worldwide public shaming and a stronger voice for justice.

Total awesomeness.

[Oilwellian]

3. Yes, this woman is now in her 30's and a victim coming forward

Let's hope many more will come out. Reading comments on Prinnified.com suggests 3 more girls have come forward claiming they were gang raped in Steubenville just last year.

On edit: Roops, meant this as a reply to first comment.

[riderinthestorm]

5. I had heard about the 14 year old coming forward but hadn't heard there were more girls recently

Do you have a link to that?



I'm not surprised though. It really did seem as though it was only a matter of time before more came forward....

[Oilwellian]

12. I read it in the comments section on Prinnified.com

I can't recall which blog entry it was, hell, my mind is so overwhelmed with information, it could have been her Twitter page. But I read it more than once so am just waiting for that info to surface more. We certainly can't rely on the local sheriff to keep us apprised of what's happening. He stated yesterday there have been no witnesses to come forward when we know the 14 year old girl did. So the cover up attempts continue, but they're on their last gasp.

[cheyanne]

6. Small Ohio towns

Yes, there is a generational problem. Though I grew up a small Ohio town (pop. 800) during the 50's and 60's, this scenario is not surprising to me. Rape didn't exist then, since girls were asking for it. Since 80% of the people were related to each other, there was no upside to any attempt to prosecute . . . the whole town was complicit in sexist and homophobic behavior. It's definitely a whole town problem.

[subject]

81. My mom grew up there

Grampa treated her like shit, treated all the woman in the fam that way. He was a heavily alcoholic WWII vet who was nothing but a bitter control freak who actually got chesty with my dad long b4 I was born. My pops was a football player for Mich. State at the time and quickly shut the old fart down with but a couple of heartfelt words. But all of the women in that fam except Gramma were diagnosed depressives and my mom eventually committed suicide. We are all pretty sure there was some ugly things going on in that house. So the story about the rape kids threw up a red flag for me. I'm glad that its out in the open and in the light, which is where the truth belongs.

[ReRe]

102. Wow...thanks for posting that...

...sorry about your Mom. Do you mean "there" like in Steubenville area? If you was the brave type and really wanted to make a difference in the future for all abused individuals in that town/area of Ohio, and maybe in honor of your Mom, you could contact the Prosecuting Attorney in the case and tell them your story. Of course, don't do it NOW, because it looks there's really no one in charge yet, and maybe the one's who think they ARE in charge are the bad guys. It's very important history about the community that they might be able to use in the trial that will no doubt be coming at some time in the future. Call it Civic Duty, which is exactly what it is...to come forward if you know something even minutely related to the case. Anyway, yeah, I would hold this info close to my chest for the time being, but be thinking about stepping forward down the road. Don't feel compelled to reply to me. Welcome to DU!

[subject]

85. makes ya wonder

what the parents are like.

[niyad]

110. welcome to DU and thank you for your insights

[PeaceNikki]

7. This gave me the chills...

The statement from localleaks did as well. I am so very proud of them for all they are doing.

http://pastebin.com/VjCFVyhX

Greetings --

I am the editor of LocalLeaks, a group of hard working information activists that released the "Steubenville Files".

You can study this amazing and historic disclosure at localleaks.blogs.ru

This disclosure is about the TRUTH. This disclosure is about setting EXAMPLES.

That if you lie, if you are corrupt, if you commit wrong doing - you WILL be found out. It will be revealed, and justice will be served.

At LocalLeaks, the staff has never ever seen anything like what is revealed in the "Steubenville Files". Our heart breaks for the victim, and it breaks for all the other victims of these monsters who have yet to come forward.

The staff of LocalLeaks will continue to work on this disclosure night and day, until all the victims are known - and everyone who perpetrated these crimes or helped to cover them up are brought to justice.

We are with you, Steubenville - we will never leave you alone again.


SINCERELY -- LocalLeaks Staff

[ReRe]

103. localleaks.blogs.ru

K&R

I bookmarked it and try to check in for new news every day.... FYI everybody.

[Angry Dragon]

8. everybody needs to kick and rec this post

[yardwork]

26. Done

[riverbendviewgal]

9. FB page HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

has some astounding things on it...more that what I read the last few days....

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hidden-in-Plain-Sight/379777695385218

[Oilwellian]

19. Thanks for posting

I'll check it out

[demmiblue]

10. MORE (alleged)

Mind you, these are anonymous stories taken from AnonPaste:

I was a former Steubenville High School student, and I used to date Jordan Banks, who was very abusive. He even broke my window in the school parking lot, while I was in the driver's seat.

Then, in the summer of '09, right before our senior year, there was a series of parties. Me and Jordan got into a altercation, which caused the police to be called. I made the worst decision of my life and ended up leaving with him. When we were in the car, we continued to argue, and he punched me. I woke up from being unconscious in Trinity Hospital's parking garage. I was naked, and he had his phone out. Although he said we were going to have sex, he didn't rape me, but a security guard had came down before he got a chance anyways. I told the guard I thought he was going to rape me, and Jordan said I was just drunk. The guard was going to take both of us up to the hospital to call the police until Jordan said he played Big Red football. The guard let him go. I was taken up to the hospital lobby, and then taken home by a police officer.

The next day, my mother and sister went to the hospital to retrieve the incident report, but the hospital never made one, and the lady told my mother that I was trespassing. I moved away the next week.

Although I've never been happier, one night changed my life forever. Please help this little girl get the justice she deserves.

http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?d97eebbb2732763d#V+BdiMdvnFPoeSQkJcZr2EQJkBWnZofM3+EoE7I7ROU=

Here's my story ;; Some of the boys accused were Freshman at Big Red and some accused were in my class at Harding. I started texting (insert name here) who is a senior football player at Big Red. After texting for a while, he asked me for a picture. Without thinking I sent him a nude picture. Within the next week, everyone from Big Red/ Harding had the picture on their phones. I asked him multiple times to please delete the picture and he swore to me he did.. I hung out with him and a few big red boys that following summer at a graduates apartment in Steubenville. When I got there, they showed me that they all still had the picture and proceeded to make fun of me. (Name of one boy affiliated) told me to go into the bedroom with him where he began to touch me sexually. Being as scared as I was and not knowing what to do, I let him. We had sex.. Afterward I walked back into the living room asking for them to just take me home.. They told me no. They proceeded to tell me to go into the bedroom with another student, (name of boy who sent out the picture).. not knowing what was going to happen, I did.. We got into the bedroom and I began to tell him how scared I was and how I just wanted to go home.. He began to try to talk me into sleeping with him saying, "Just do it.. No one will know.. I promise." He began to touch me. I told him to stop but he continued and I let him.. As he crawled on top of me, both of us now naked, the people that were in the living room busted into the bedroom, turned on the light and started screaming. One of them had their phone out. (I don't know if any pictures were taken) Disgusted, I jumped up, threw my clothes on and demanded to be taken home. One boy stood up and volunteered to take me home. When we got in the car he told me if I didn't flash him, he wasn't taking me home. I screamed in a rude manner to just take me home and he began to drive me home. I was harassed for the almost two years after the events of that year transpired. Almost to a point of suicide. They started rumors about me saying they trained me. Which had definitely not happened.. I never told my story because I was afraid of the criticism I would receive. It's not a rape case but I believe that these boys would do what they're being accused of.. Considering the boys involved with me had no problem doing what they did..

You are the best thing to happen around here. Get justice for scared victims like us.

Thank You. Merry Christmas, Anonymous.

http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?4635af982c68cf00#GT+54kvObOPN/0uFfEjxKI4pWE6CTaTd/KGLiFYN60Q=

[Doctor_J]

15. Sounds like some of the girls need help too

I sent him a nude picture...I hung out with him and a few big red boys that following summer at a graduates apartment in Steubenville. When I got there, they showed me that they all still had the picture and proceeded to make fun of me. (Name of one boy affiliated) told me to go into the bedroom with him where he began to touch me sexually. Being as scared as I was and not knowing what to do, I let him. We had sex. Afterward I walked back into the living room asking for them to just take me home.. They told me no. They proceeded to tell me to go into the bedroom with another student, (name of boy who sent out the picture).. not knowing what was going to happen, I did..

Yipes - those of you with daughters need to stay on top of this too. This girl needed an intervention.

[seabeyond]

18. a culture of pornification. and you are right. the girls need help also.

a whole lot of not knowing what to do and acquiescing even though she was not comfortable with it.

[PeaceNikki]

27. But we need to be careful not to blame 'the girls' at ALL.

If a girl/woman has done everything in her power to reduce her risk, then a man who has the proclivity for abuse or need for power will just move on to another woman or target.

The problem stems from the culture that supports it. NOT the girl.

[lunatica]

34. She says the boys were Freshmen so they were in the 10th grade

She was probably a Freshman also. Very, very young. And 'hanging out' with the football players must be considered some kind of privilege. My heart goes out to that girl.

[PeaceNikki]

36. Yeah... all of the girls.

We're learning that MANY were horrifically abused.

Terrible.

[seabeyond]

56. everywhere i have been, freshman is 9th, lol. just saying. that puts them at 14, 15. nt

[lunatica]

90. It sure is!

It's been a while...

[seabeyond]

45. there is a lot of stuff going on. it is why on this post, i chose pornification.

a lot of what this girl did, was a lack of self respect. confidence. lets see if i can say this clearly. i am not talking blame. i am talking about the core of the issue.

both our boys and girls are being conditioned in a raunch society. both genders are effected. both are hurt. one gender sees it as a win. but, it is not a win. because action creates reaction. disrespect will be returned. it is a no win for either.

i am not talking about the boy that feels the right to rape, as these boys are. you did not see me give any of them an out.

i am not blaming the girl.

but, this is the problem with the youth that they have got to figure out.

why hadnt she learned, sending a naked picture wont gain respect. it will be shared. the girl will be ridiculed. and it will be used to humiliate. at the point of accommodating with a naked picture, the other end has lost respect for her.

when men discuss porn, they say how much they respect these women. not true. and you see it, when they are not defending porn/strippin'. it is in the language they use for women that do this. clear lack of respect.

the girl had her lesson. should have been a lesson learned. yet she went back.

she was trying to be liked. not respected.

her parents failed.

but, we are raising a nation of boys where they are taught that a girls role is to be sexually accommodating to them. to expect all girls to be their porn. that giris sole use to to be their sexual gratification. and if the parent is not there to counter the culture the boys are being raised in, or if the parents continually reinforce this conditioning for the boys, which it appears all the adults did for the rape crew, then WE create the rapists.

there is a lot of wrong in that post. not blame.

i put the blame on our society, media and the parents that did not teach the girl the tools she needed, that she did not allow herself to be put here. she had the evidence and walked into it again.

we gotta be honest. but she too is raised in a culture where her purpose is to be pornified.

the thing about it is, we hear the gang rape of the girl sent matt a text saying she knows he did not rape her. she does not know. but 16 is young. humiliation and degradation is hard for all of us, but especially the young and inexperienced. girls are raised to be nice. not confrontational. they are raised to lower their eyes. and that is what she did. her response, if true, is totally natural for a kids. to make it go away. to not walk into the pain, willingly. grown men (lawyers) hold this up knowing she is only doing what is natural, as proof she wasnt raped when everyone knows otherwise.

she is a kid

the girl in that exert is a kid.

these boys are kids.

they do not have the experience of adult. and even a lot of adults fail on this stuff. but, we expect a kid to have it figured out, and having tools to walk this landmine without any help in attaining them.

[crim son]

63. Agreed. n/t

[bettyellen]

79. the whore / virgin double standard still lives. if they are able to fool a woman into thinking they

like her after she goes along with the sexting or whatever, they feel she is dumb as shit and owed abuse.

I remember my cousin saying that a girl was a dumb whore who deserved rape because she liked a friend of his who was a reprehensible asshole. So, if she fucked him, she would (or should) fuck anyone. I'm guessing she only found out she what an asshole he was after he set her up to "pull a train".

I knew a girl in HS that was very book smart and desperate to be popular. She started to get on the fringes of the popular crowd, the football team. She had no idea at all how the guys were talking about how she was an ugly little idiot who would blow anyone in a uniform. How they wish they could put a paper bag over her head, but that made BJs too difficult. The girlfriends knew she was kept around for this, but were always told it was someone else's- everyone else's BF she blew. I don't think she had a clue how much these people- her "friends"- trashed her at every opportunity. Even if she enjoyed the sex guilt free (and I hope she did) , I don't think she'd be okay if she knew these people all regarded her as a dumb whore.

[seabeyond]

84. more special with pornification i think it is prude/whore. a little variation on the normal theme.

if you call it out you are a prude, frigid, anti sex, man hater. if you participate, well... we discussed that.

then you have the norm that is alive and well. virgin/whore.

i had a man want me. i saw him no more than a friend. all while strugglin to get me interested he was sure i was a virgin. lol. 25'ish. ya. then when i really refused i became a lesbian. ya. that is it. must be. else, why would i deny him. when i had a date with another man i became a .... you got it. whore. went from virgin to lesbian to whore in a very small period of time.

[bettyellen]

86. been called all those myself, and it affirmed my decision to keep those guys at a distance...

Because using those labels is a first step (for some) in justifying some fucked up behavior. A lot of women who are involved with these guys have no clue, because men have put them in the "good girl to the respected" bucket.
They don't realize that singling people (or groups) out for disrespect or harm should be a major red flag.

[dmr]

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[SemperEadem]

118. most likely

why hadnt she learned, sending a naked picture wont gain respect. it will be shared. the girl will be ridiculed. and it will be used to humiliate.

she didn't think what fell out in experience would happen to her. She probably thought that it would make her popular.

[leftyohiolib]

64. what does a 'culture of porinfication mean'?

this is not an attempt to pick a fight i truely dont understand what that means. it sounds like a description of a society thinking it's ok to turn what shouldnt be seen a sexual as sexual, is it something like that?

[Doctor_J]

68. See my reply #67.

or google Ariel Levy Anita Sarkeesian, etc.

[seabeyond]

69. i went into it more on 45

but basically where our boys/men see our girls/women as their porn.

[leftyohiolib]

72. thank you both -god these stories make me feel like crying i cant imagine the rage of violation

these women must have to live with. rape should carry a life in prison w/o parole sentence

[Doctor_J]

67. I just watched a documentary

about the effect on our society of the glut of porn and its increasing intensity. One of the guests was Ariel Levy. She talked about an observation she made at a "girls Gone Wild" party. She asked one of the girls who volunteered to flash, "Why do you want to be on this video?", and the girl looked at her like she was from Outer Space - in Levy's words, "What do you mean - why would anyone NOT want to be in it"?

We managed to raise two healthy girls to adulthood very recently, with a combination of good luck, the means to afford all of the support tools necessary (like living in a neighborhood with the best public schools in the Midwest), and constant attention. Raising bright, enlightened feminists in the Fox "News"/Rusty Limpballs era is not easy. Best of luck to those who are endeavoring it right now.

Edit: One other advantage we had is that my wife and I are both ardent feminists, so the culture of our home was liberated

[seabeyond]

74. it truly is in the environment we provide the kids. either gender. you are so right on.

We managed to raise two healthy girls to adulthood very recently, with a combination of good luck, the means to afford all of the support tools necessary (like living in a neighborhood with the best public schools in the Midwest), and constant attention. Raising bright, enlightened feminists in the Fox "News"/Rusty Limpballs era is not easy. Best of luck to those who are endeavoring it right now.

thank you for the link. i will read it a little later. looks right on. you bring something up that i have not thought of for a while. we literally stopped watching comedy channel after hours, after colbert and stewart because fo all the GGW commercials. i do not know if they have them on anymore. we have not watched for a couple years. and my hubby loves comedians. but... at a point, even he got fuckin sick and tired of the sick and tired 2 minute commercials.

he would joke, all these men into this crap, lying in bed watching one of these commercials or videos and there is his daughter. ooops, now what.

but, it was literally the GGW that perpetuated all this thought on this.

i have not thought of them in a while

thanks.

hey...... what you did with the girls, THAT is our job. thanks for that, though it means little cause it is the job and the girls make the choices. provide the foundation, adn they will choose healthy.

[historylovr]

33. Sad. And agree.

[Oilwellian]

16. Wow

Thank you for adding this to the discussion.

[riverbendviewgal]

25. Reading this makes me wonder

at the girls and they don't seem to have common sense....

My friend who just had a baby girl had a FB interaction with comments on how kids are growing up so fast and it is hard to control them.

My boys grew up in the 70s and 80s...My husband and I were stricter. there were curfews, no cars. no smoking or drinking . Marks in school had to be kept up. they worked after school as well. - no car- .. they biked or we drove them.

Thew were taught respect, consideration and honesty when they were young. My husband and I decided to be parents and this made us aware of their friends and what was happening in school.

I used to know people in Ohio a few years ago...in the Eastern part near Pittsburgh. I have to say that many parents were poor parents, in money and in parenting skills. Football was the be all and end all. Many kids got in trouble with the law and into drugs. I realized that it would never change. This a very big social issue.

[PeaceNikki]

29. If 'the girls' had done everything in her power to reduce her risk,

then those boys who have the proclivity for abuse or need for power will just move on to another target.

The problem is the 'boys'.

We need to teach the girls how to reduce the risk, but make sure we address the cultural problem. Our culture is producing violent men, and violence against women has become institutionalized. We need to take a step back and examine the institutionalized polices drafted by men that perpetuate the problem.

[seabeyond]

57. yes. they would have found prey elsewhere. nt

[MJkcj]

61. I agree

While I teach my daughters to "reduce the risk" it is really up to parents to teach their sons to respect women as human beings. Our culture needs to stop putting the blame on the girls for not having the common sense to know how to avoid getting raped by these creeps when the real issues is that these creeps should never ever feel that they can take advantage of another human being this way (much less have the adults look the other way or encourage it. horrifying!)

[lunatica]

39. I was a strict parent also

In the 80s it was all the rage for kids to hang out in Malls. And parents thought it was great. When video games first came out I made sure to buy them and had the boys invite their friends over instead of all of them going to the Mall. The kids loved hanging out at our house. I just stayed in the kitchen out of the way.

Most parents preferred for their kids to go to the Mall to get them out of the way. To me that was just asking for trouble.

[riverbendviewgal]

54. We did the same.

and those days video games were not violent like they are today. There were always were kids at our house, either playing videos, watching sports or playing their guitars.

We had a mall our boys could walk to but they rarely went there. I didn't want to get my kids out of the way...even when they were llittle...I played and read to them. I would watch their shows with them. We would discuss what was the story was about . I don't kids are being interacted with today . perhaps because there parents didn't.

I taught myself. My parents did not play or read to me. I was left to my own devices. Thank goodness I found the library.

[seabeyond]

60. i have teen boys now. and i do a lot of my parenting with back in the day, not what we see today.

because it is clear, that what is happening today, is not a healthy path for our kids. whereas back in the day, most of us made it thru.

i also see a lot of kids that are right there with my boys. a lot of parents make clear boundaries for kids.

and those that do not, have these issues.

i read a while back, that the teen is in need of boundaries and lines every bit as much as the toddler. that a lot of the two stages are the same. and that the kids appreciates the boundaries all while they fight them. mine do not really fight them. they make pretty good choices and understand as long as they continue to make good choices, they will have freedoms. otherwise, not gonna happen. that is incentive enough for them.

[MJkcj]

58. please dont blame the girls

You have forgotten what it is like to be very young and frightened and confused. As other posts have noted in this thread our whole culture is filled with mixed messages. A PG movie like Sixteen Candles even suggesting that its not rape if she is drunk or a slut or whatever. I am sure these football "heroes" re very persuasive and when there are many of them and only one of you....its a sad sad sad state of affairs

[riverbendviewgal]

96. I don't blame the girls

I blame society, and how it portrays women to be used. These girls most likely didn't get the right parenting. Schools didn't care and it seems like this town was so medieval in the way they used women.. The boys were their victors to make the few of the town richer.
This is so sick and I can say it is a micro ism of some of America today

[Doctor_J]

11. This wouldn't be suprising

A young man who grows up in a culture of misogyny and abuse would naturally be more likely to mistreat women than one who grows up in a loving environment. Children learn from their parents, from eating habits to treatment of others.

[WillyT]

13. K & R !!!

[riverbendviewgal]

14. Here is another good link

a retired sheriff talking about the gang rapes.

http://bustedbitchesandinternetstalkers.com/category/steubenville-ohio/

[Oilwellian]

20. Yes, I've been following their posts as well

Excellent source.

[starroute]

23. Steubenville was a center of gambling and crime in the 1930s

Traci Lords tweeted a couple of days ago about having grown up in Steubenville and been raped there when she was 10. She's 44 now, so that's taking it back to 1978.

And Sheriff Abdalla, who's mentioned in that post in the OP, is at the center of the current mess, has been sheriff since 1985. But he's 68 now -- I'd be interested in knowing what position he held in his 20s and 30s. Deputy sheriff, maybe?

It's a real question just how deep this particular rabbit hole goes.

[Lars39]

28. There was a post here stating that he had been a deputy before being sheriff.

[yardwork]

31. Traci Lords got into the porn business underage because she was fleeing sexual abuse

It's very interesting that she grew up in Steubenville, Ohio. It seems as if the town has a long-time culture of raping young girls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords

[ReRe]

104. Holy Moly! Traci Lords is from Steubenville?

This whole story is stretching out to the GD moon. Geesh!

[starroute]

32. More on Steubenville

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/02/07/welcome-to-weird-and-wacky-steubenville-oh

Before the Mob set up shop in Las Vegas after WWII, Steubenville was one of organized crime’s largest hubs for games of chance. Operating with a wink-wink from local police and politicos, a regular system of gambling was run in the the back rooms of clubs and restaurants. When the bosses shifted their gaming interests to the desert, the operators of new Vegas casinos dredged Steubenville for talented table workers; the first couple generations of Vegas dealers, pit bosses and backroom guys were all from Steubenville. . . .

Back in the 80s and 90s, Steubenville wasn’t the place to get mouthy at a traffic stop. Sure, those weren’t really the heyday for civil rights at a lot of police departments, but the Ohio city was unique. Over 20 years, the city was forced to pony up in 48 civil rights lawsuits alleging police misconduct and brutality. Between 1990 and 1996 alone, the town handed over $400,000 in settlement money, says Wikipedia. Things got so bad, the Department of Justice stepped in and forced the Steubenville PD to sign a consent agreement that re-organized how officers were trained and observed — only the second police force in the country to do so at the time. . . .

Wu-Tang Clan: Hip-hop’s only bizarro ninja crew has many links to the area, mostly thanks to RZA, who was born here. At the height of their celebrity, the Clan members had a “compound” in the area and were affiliated with a lot of (horrible) rap groups coming off the by-then very mean streets of Steubenville. But according to recently released FBI files, those links often had more to do with gang loyalty than musical taste. The group, which was monitored by the feds for years, was allegedly involved in gun-running activities, drug sales, and occasional hits; many of those alleged offenses led back to Steubenville.

[starroute]

40. And still more

Here a link to a newspaper article from 1983 titled "Mob Rule: Despite Economic Woes, Organized Crime Remains Thriving Racket in Tri-State Area."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1144&dat=19830227&id=7tkcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GGEEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6991,4738845

It's a scan of the original article, so I can't just copy-and-paste -- but it goes into a lot of detail about organized crime in the Ohio/West Virginia/Pennsylvania borderlands. Gambling -- particularly sports betting -- drugs and prostitution. Mob wars. Payoffs to sheriffs and prosecuting attorneys to protect the gambling operations. Corruption in the Youngstown police department.

Steubenville only plays a minor role in the story. It wasn't what it had been in the 30s, when it was known as Sin City. But I'm getting the distinct impression that the need to protect that winning football team isn't just a matter of civic pride -- that there are gambling interests as well, and that Steubenville has taken on a more central role again because of the team's record.

[uponit7771]

30. No, America has some great kids who don't think gang rape is cool...more than not

[bettyellen]

42. thinking it's cool VS giving it a pass. More (meaning ALL) the dozens of kids looked the other way

and that indicates a problem you seem to want to deny exists.

[Tempest]

35. A 14 year old girl has also come forward, and she said she's not the only one. n/t

[In_The_Wind]

55. The truth about Steubenville just keeps getting worse!

[Tempest]

62. Look up Alexandria Goddard

She's a local journalist who reported on the crime and corruption in the town. She had to leave with her family after she started receiving death threats because of her reporting.

[arely staircase]

37. is Steubenville, OH in India? eom

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. So glad we have DU, Facebook, Twitter, etc...eliminates the need for courts.

And due process...juries of peers...and so forth.

Also how lucky are we that we have a group of completely anonymous people who collect and disseminate
evidence using whatever means they see fit? Take THAT, 4th Amendment!

All bolstered by the empirical fact that everyone who ever says anything on the internet MUST be truthful, so
we can now make ridiculous claims that an entire town is filled with exactly two sorts of people: rapists, and
people getting raped.

Man, technology is WONDERFUL.

[bettyellen]

43. ignores the fact that these criminals posted the videos and tweets themselves

also ignoring the fact that local law enforcement vehemently denied that evidence even exists.
we're not jurors- in fact this case will not go before a jury. but keep hoping for loopholes so the perps get off.

[PeaceNikki]

48. All of this exposure is in an effort to prosecute these monsters.

It's a shame you have such a problem with concerted efforts to expose these things that appear to have been systematically ignored and/or allowed for years.

[Maynar]

65. WTF

So you think these people are all lying? You want to think in black-and-white terms, either the whole town is guilty or nobody is?

If you don't think the town has a problem, then I think you're PART of the problem.

[Oilwellian]

66. Yes, without modern technology...

this all would have been swept under the rug like it's been done for decades. This "evidence" was posted on social websites for everyone to see, but according to you, we're not supposed to discuss. Good luck controlling that.

[morningfog]

83. I missed where the conviction and sentence were meted out via twitter.

This isn't a trial, this is people sharing their stories and fighting the cover-up. The trial will still have the usual rules of evidence, so settle yourself.

Perhaps, even, step back and think about what has happened to these girls.

[CreekDog]

89. you came back the day of the Newtown massacre and now for this?

you were away for months and the only reason you came back was to defend guns and now this crap in Ohio?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

116. And yet it's somehow managed to remain here for years. Go figure. nt

[countryjake]

106. Don't you mean it's lucky for that original gang rape victim...

that her attackers were idiotic enough to use social media to spread the filth of their behavior from one tech device to another?

Yes, in the case of this one town, technology has proven to be wonderful.

[gollygee]

107. The people who did it put the videos on facebook and twitter themselves

Perhaps it's the 5th amendment they should have been paying attention to. Why should anyone cover up for them after they freely admitted to doing it?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

113. Always bitching about DU. Tell you what. You could always get the fuck out. Seriously,

you won't be missed.

[JoeyT]

117. DU, Facebook, Twitter, etc have the force of law behind them?

Goddamn, that's news to me. I imagine it's news to everyone else, too.

People talking about rape victims isn't a violation of the 4th amendment. No one used twitter to march anyone to the gallows, they just exposed the crime and the conspiracies to keep the crime quiet. Jesus Tapdancing Christ.

All the people that have a massive sad over how mean people are being to the rapists aren't nearly as concerned with the victims not getting their day in court. I can't imagine why.

[historylovr]

126. I know, right. Thank you! nt

[LanternWaste]

120. they don't-- they're two wholly different and separate constructs.

On the other hand, I'm not quite so glad you appear to believe that social networks replace courts of law, sentence impositions and grand juries.

Because they don't-- they're two wholly different and separate constructs. One is filled with opinions, discussions, prognostications, analysis, etc, and the other is the American Jurisprudence system.




Man, books about American Jurisprudence are WONDERFUL too (six of one, half a dozen of the other, you see...)

[frylock]

127. and isn't it wonderful that you can defend rapists that posted self-incriminating evidence?

fuck yeh, I love the interweb!

[WhoIsNumberNone]

44. Tacit acceptance of gang rape is a problem in ANY community that over-reveres its jocks

This 'boys will be boys' mentality allows them to be a privileged class. I grew up in such a community, and the jocks all got away with murder. And yes, there was a gang rape that I heard about through the grape vine. I never knew the identities of any of the parties involved, but the story was that the football team ran a train on an unconscious girl at a party.

[gollygee]

108. And when it's done, if I remember correctly

They don't call it rape. They say, "she did the entire football team" or "she's dating the entire football team."

This particular situation seems to have a lot of adult back-up, but I think the high school rape problem is bigger than Steubenville.

[caseymoz]

49. Not only is it multigenerational, I don't think it isn't just there.

This is widespread. This was rape, but it was also bullying. The adults don't intervene and even protect these rapists for the same reason that adults don't intervene much in bullying incidents, and often take the tact that the target shares some of the responsibility: it's the adult values that are being enforced. Consciously or not, they assent to her being treated like this.

I've noticed how often these guys call her a slut. It wasn't only an insult. I think it's also a warning to the other girls to sexually behave themselves. Many will get the message and won't be in any way sexually assertive.

[Brigid]

51. I have finally found a place crappier than Terre Haute, IN:

Steubenville, OH. I didn't think it was possible.

[steve2470]

52. k&r nt

[Arugula Latte]

59. Abdalla needs a big comeuppance.

I mean a huge one. Like jail time.

[PeaceNikki]

71. It might come...

[Oilwellian]

75. I read those last night

LiveLeaks is on my toolbar for the next few months.

[agentS]

105. Hey he can't say we didn't warn his ass about this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2135628

[JI7]

87. how about the whole football/sports thing and connection to Penn State

when it comes to sports it looks like people are willing to look the other way or give a pass all in the name of "the team".

remember those thugs rioting when paterno was fired ?

[Marrah_G]

88. Alot of information here

http://localleaks.blogs.ru/

Corruption runs deep in this town.

[riverbendviewgal]

93. What do you all think about this young woman coming forward?

Do you think she puts herself in danger, her and her family? If she speaks to the Media how can she protect herself from those she is naming?

I am concerned for her.

[Oilwellian]

121. I saw her lawyer interviewed yesterday

If I can remember where I saw it, I'll post it here. Basically he was saying the family has had threats against them and have protection. Also, the girl has returned to school but all of her friends have shunned her and other parents won't let their kids near her. So she's still being punished for the despicable crimes of others.

[riverbendviewgal]

122. I was referring to the woman on FB who said her rape there happened in 95

are you writing of her or the victim that all the attention is on now that will go to trial in February?

[duhneece]

94. It's only been 1 yr since male rape FBI accepted

I don't expect much from FBI unless we all start demanding more. It's only been one year since the FBI expanded their official definition of rape to include rape of males.

"Justice Dept. expands definition of rape to include other forms of sexual assault
By Jerry Markon,January 06, 2012

The Obama administration on Friday announced a significant expansion of the FBI’s definition of rape, which will now cover several forms of sexual assault and include male rape.

Justice Department officials said the revision would make reporting of the crime more accurate and provide a better understanding of its effects on victims.

Since 1929, rape has been defined as “the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will.” That definition, which included only men having sex with women without their consent, excluded other forms of sexual assault, such as oral penetration and the rape of men."
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-01-06/politics/35437948_1_sexual-assault-definition-rapes

[gollygee]

109. That's very sad

Rape also used to be defined as "the carnal knowledge of a female other than one's wife . . ."

Our country needs to wake up about the whole rape issue.

[niyad]

111. k and r and thanks to all who are keeping up-to-the-minute with all the information coming

out about these crimes.

this is the first time in many years I wish I still had my contacts back there.

[certainot]

112. i wonder what the local RW talk radio hacks are saying.

[Hanzip]

114. That whole town seems corrupt

Mob or something

[Darly314]

124. MY QUESTION ALSO!

"Technical assistance" isn't enough; even after a public admission by Maggot N's attorney his client was drinking illegally....STILL Abdalla WILL NOT ARREST, or charge, or bloody care.