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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*****SOTU OFFICIAL THREAD***** -- Thread 2
Per request.
First thread was here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002215317
valerief
(53,235 posts)would rather hire H1Bs.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)csziggy
(34,135 posts)I've read too many threads where tech jobs ask for 10 years experience for software or a programming language that has only existed for five years, require a master's and twenty years experience but only pay ten dollars an hour. Or the job is not a full time job but an independent contract with no benefits.
Or the tech that DO have the experience are north of fifty and the company does not want to hire anyone over 25.
Just on the few online boards I read messages on have numerous techs that would work for a reasonable salary, decent benefits and a little respect, but they don't even get interviews for the positions that are open.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Or they call something an "entry level position" and when you read the requirements you realize that nobody would possibly have those skills who hasn't been in the field for at least 10 years because you aren't allowed to do certain things without any experience. But they want the sun, the moon, and the stars for $13 per hour and no benefits.
csziggy
(34,135 posts)High level tech workers with years of experience earn about $15 an hour. I know someone with ten years experience training people for nuclear subs who then went out and got two master's and still had to work for five years to get to $15. Then his job was outsourced and he's been happy to have any work at just over minimum wage.
and if you think so, file a complaint with DOL
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's easier to prove discrimination when you are fired, but very, very difficult to prove it in hiring so going to the EEOC is pretty much a waste of time for most people. Besides, unless you studied employment law in law school, you probably won't know what documents to keep, how to ask questions of your employer to determine that the real reason you are being fired or not hired is age discrimination.
The age discrimination laws are ineffective. It's sad, but true.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)Scrolling is slow on the laptop.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
Streaming, enhanced broadcast from the Whitehouse, with CHARTS--
http://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2012
musicblind
(4,484 posts)They are really focusing on this state. I wonder what their internal polling says?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)(Applause)
blaze
(6,354 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)VERY impressed!
Hotler
(11,412 posts)I guess there will be none just like the first term. This is the President that went on 60 minutes and said the bankers did nothing illegal.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)They hate America!
highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)and the leftovers have been snapped up by Newt
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Wants to stop teaching to the test...
elleng
(130,861 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)You can tell he has a cold (using the white hankie at the opening of the speech) but now is doing that "trying to be discreet by making it look like I am scratching my nose when I REALLY need to blow it".
Phoonzang
(2,899 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Woot!
Enrique
(27,461 posts)until he mentioned firing teachers. Then big applause.
Hotler
(11,412 posts)Everything you're talking about should have happened already. I'm turning you off and watching the Daily Show.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.
deacon
(5,967 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)I don't think any school can prevent a student fom dropping out of school if they do not want to be there. In addition, what happens if these students that do not want to be in school start to act up in order to get kicked out of school? I think a better idea is to provide job training for students that drop out of school.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)going into the army. Could that work?
JSnuffy
(374 posts)A company of misfits who couldn't even deal with high school but somehow I should expect them to handle millions of dollar in equipment and take the lives of other people into their hands.
No thank you...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)That's my point. He didn't say they had to graduate but stay in until they were eighteen.
JSnuffy
(374 posts)If they ain't gonna.. then they ain't gonna...
The military should not be a dumping ground for rejects though. I've got enough to do.
kurt_cagle
(534 posts)Kids drop out for many reasons; drugs, boredom, working too young, broken home life, poor education earlier forcing struggling in more advanced classes ...
Basic training can help to provide discipline and structure, can establish a degree of camaraderie, can give them remedial training in a focused environment and give them skills to make them more competitive. Keep these cadets out of combat zones, and at the age of eighteen they can either choose to re-up (possibly with an automatic jump in pay grade to E-2) or can gain GI benefits towards higher education and a possible career as an officer. If you focus on 16 to 17 year-olds, what this would also do is provide a lot of more basic level support tasks that ordinarily enlistees at 18 would typically be assigned, freeing them up for more advanced work (and training).
In addition to the benefits there, it has larger societal benefits. It's better OTJ training than working at fast food restaurants (which in many cases are now attracting more seniors on fixed incomes who also bring considerably more experience to these places - and consider that until comparatively recently it was not at all uncommon for people in their 60s and 70s to work at restaurants), it may very well provide these kids exposure to technologies and areas of interest that they wouldn't be exposed to in school, and it means that the soldiers that America gets are generally more experienced and mature as well.
Not sure I see a downside to it.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And simply forcing them to "stay... until they were eighteen" means classrooms get disrupted.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Most schools have wood shops and auto repair. You could also have beauty school and chef programs. If they are doing things they like, you can sneak in a few classes to meet minimum graduation requirements, couldn't you? I mean having teenage drop outs roaming around in the streets with nothing to do doesn't sound like a very good situation to me either.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Remember when you were that age? I remember people who HATED the very notion of school. Auto repair and woodshop aren't new classes.
I just don't see how we go about FORCING 16 and 17 year olds whose home life we know nothing about to go to school every day.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)I actually prefer that policy better. Some kids might decide to stay in school to stay out of the military. The other kids that choose to go into the military will at least have a job and a paycheck.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I got into a big fight with the principal of my high school and walked out in the middle of the day announcing that I quit. I went home and she sent a truant officer after me. Yes, we had special police back in those days who made sure kids were in school and not playing hooky, the word for skipping classes. I had just turned sixteen and laughed in his face. However, my parents had a different view of the situation and I was back in school the next day and with a big apology for the principal.
It can be done and it works. I would also put together an education force that checks in on private schools and home schoolers to make sure they are maintaining common educational standards.
hue
(4,949 posts)blaze
(6,354 posts)sarcasm implied....
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Says tuition needs to stay down, if it keeps rising, federal government will stop subsidizing
Backing the DREAM Act!
highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)So many great lines in this speech!
one_voice
(20,043 posts)luxury!
musicblind
(4,484 posts)That's the sad truth. And forcing them to remain there until 18 won't make those who refuse to learn... learn.
HOWEVER, I love what he is saying about college interest rates and college education.
I really like what he is saying about colleges.
blaze
(6,354 posts)hands on tech school is great for some learners.... It's not that they don't want to learn
musicblind
(4,484 posts)I'm not saying that all kids failing in school want to fail.
But there are some kids who simply do not want to learn.
My mother once recommended a girl for honors english and she and her parents refused. They did not want the negative stigma of being in an "honors" class.
So sad.
It is true though, that some kids, just refuse to do any kind of school work.
I love the idea of giving schools more money. I love the idea of alternative education techniques. I love giving families more incentives to keep their children in school no matter what.
I'm just being honest.
Remember... some kids are republican too...
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)at a middle school in South Florida, and she has had students that just do not want to learn. Someday they will learn that they cannot get decent jobs without a decent education.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts).
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Fewer illegal boarder crossings, more boots at the border.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)Demonaut
(8,914 posts)so sad
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)burp.
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...eat the spam musubi if you need!
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)Should've gone with mavericky.
MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)man
if we can't get something comprehensive just get me something and I will sign it right away
But you know the (R)s won't do anything
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)freaking dinosaurs...
one_voice
(20,043 posts)pay for equal work!
musicblind
(4,484 posts)What is sad, and upsetting is that this is even an ISSUE in 2012.
And it IS an issue. There are STILL sexist pigs out there and I just don't get it.
How long does it take for sexist idiots to die off...
hue
(4,949 posts)It's 2012 and we're still fighting for this?
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...we don't win wedge issues by running away from them in an election year.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)...and open the STFU thread.
AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Yeah, baby!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)say it isn't so.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)All of it.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)to have a speech with no references to 'mushroom clouds' That speech made me vomit
MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,881 posts)He slammed fracking.
IamK
(956 posts)sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Government doesn't do anything? Right?
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)IamK
(956 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)FirstLight
(13,359 posts)nooooo!
If he's talking about cleaner energy, where the ALTERNATIVE power sources?
(granted, I am coming to the party late, and having loading issues so I have only gotten a few sentences...but that doesn;t sound right)
GReedDiamond
(5,311 posts)...the mutha-frackers need to disclose the chemicals they're using (even as they generate "small" earthquakes).
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Truly unsettling.
highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)She also asked, perfectly seriously: "You know how Obama was the first black president? If the guy with white hair wins, will he be the first... well, stupid president?"
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,831 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I don't know how she picked him out of the (R) field as the stupidest... I guess because those mental giants Cain, Perry, and Bachman have dropped out.
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Its time to end the taxpayer giveaways to an industry thats rarely been more profitable, and double-down on a clean energy industry thats never been more promising.
malaise
(268,885 posts)Obama will fuck you up
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Nice move...
valerief
(53,235 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Including high speed broadband. Fuck, yeah!
denbot
(9,899 posts)The West Los Angeles V.A. Hospital is installing solar panels over all it's parking lots. Yeah!!!
musicblind
(4,484 posts)That really is the difference, and it shows here.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)I am sick of seeing sourpuss Republiclowns sitting on their rears pouting
Phoonzang
(2,899 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)....the dufus looks like he's swallowed a lemon.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...and use the rest to do some nation-building at home."
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,831 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,831 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)Would help if grinch ran for POTUS, instead of mittens.
AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Too bad the Ravens lost on Sunday.
IamK
(956 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)I distinctly remember someone floating that idea.
mopinko
(70,072 posts)Orlandodem
(1,115 posts)calling for an end to teaching to the test. Merit pay is based on test scores.
I HATE Arne Duncan. He is such a smarmy ass jerk.
He can shove Race to the Top up his ass. Notice he didn't use the phrase but he isn't changing his failed policies which are turning off a significant voting bloc - teachers.
sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)ending oil subsidies and investing the peace dividend!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)That's what it looked like to me.
elleng
(130,861 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)AnnieBW
(10,422 posts)Ooooh, that's gotta hurt the Repugs!
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Makin' the pugs very uncomfortable.
malaise
(268,885 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Join the team, Joshua.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)But damn it's going to suck having to defend The Most Consistent President Evar.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)+Mercury rules.
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Kicking ass and taking names!
deacon
(5,967 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)The Affordable Care Act MUST be preserved.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)BadgerKid
(4,550 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts)n/t
EarlG
(21,942 posts)This is quite refreshing after wall-to-wall RomGrich the last couple of weeks.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...I just saw Eric Cantor clapping.
CHURCH!
Alameda
(1,895 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I get really scared!!!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Woohoo!!!!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Alameda
(1,895 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)of Obama's foot up his ass!
hue
(4,949 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)There. Obama just promised not to gut any of those programs.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)not love the guy?
He's so personable and has so much common sense
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)A short while ago both John Boehner and John Cornyn. Boehner was squirming and looking angry. Cornyn just looked angry.
hue
(4,949 posts)MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)Nicely done!
Johnny2X2X
(19,024 posts)He hit that out of the park on the tax inequality issue. Hardly can be accused of dividing anyone.
It begins, Obama is starting to motivate the masses once again.
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)That was your point right?
elleng
(130,861 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)If only they would have worked with him for the first four years IMAGINE how much more he could have done to save us.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)musicblind
(4,484 posts)WTF?
hue
(4,949 posts)Alameda
(1,895 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)He has his inner third grader dialed in.
sfpcjock
(1,936 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)MarkCharles
(2,261 posts)when it comes to the image of America abroad.
Well stated.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)Such a contrast with the vision that the GOP has for America.