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Obama loves fracking?? WTF? it's poisoning our water. we need protection from this. seriously wtf! (Original Post) limpyhobbler Jan 2012 OP
I'm not surprised. Some of things he supports makes one wonder. Justice wanted Jan 2012 #1
What are you talking about and where did you get that information? You Ecumenist Jan 2012 #2
see post #10. thank you limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #15
Apparently you missed his entire point about regulation and protecting clean water. nt TheWraith Jan 2012 #3
yep SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #4
ok thanks limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #16
I didn't miss his point about opening millions of acres of public lands and ocean XemaSab Jan 2012 #17
He put a whole helluva lot more emphasis on developing alternative/renewables. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #5
When did he say he supported fracking? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #6
yes that was the part. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #10
yes, I thought this too nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #12
Great. At least we'll know which chemicals are making us sick. EFerrari Jan 2012 #31
Sounded to me like he supports drilling for gas but he wants it done safely Samantha Jan 2012 #32
"mommy why is the water yucky?" is it safe yet? when is going to be safe? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #33
I have been complaining about fracking since I first learned about it Samantha Jan 2012 #35
No..you are not wrong..unfortunately AnOhioan Jan 2012 #37
How? He says frack away, right? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #38
That's not what the man said. Skidmore Jan 2012 #7
no kidding SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #9
oh ok, thanks for setting me straight on that. What did he say about natural gas then? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #13
Clarity please. Texasgal Jan 2012 #8
basically, the natural gas drillers are using all these toxic chemicals and it's poisoning our water limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #25
I did not hear him say that in fact he said obtaining the gas safely without harm to people or lonestarnot Jan 2012 #11
but it already is harming. He needs to say stop fracking until it is safe. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #14
FUDrs reply - FUCK FACTS!!! uponit7771 Jan 2012 #36
Many of us feel the system is broken beyond repair slay Jan 2012 #18
Like we trust BP Politicalboi Jan 2012 #19
If the President says fracking is safe, the President is full of shit. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #23
People will hear only what they want to hear. mmonk Jan 2012 #20
sorry who is Pat? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #22
Yes. mmonk Jan 2012 #29
...and used oil/gas industry related terms to describe it Earth_First Jan 2012 #21
There seemed to be a fracking commercial Melissa G Jan 2012 #24
Obama loves the fracking (natural gas industry ) Lobby. Vanje Jan 2012 #26
he wants to make them disclose the chemicals they are using Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #27
He needs to be seen as not poisoning our water. That's just as good a political argument. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #28
It didn't seem that way MFrohike Jan 2012 #30
While I generally thought it was a good speech, Blue_In_AK Jan 2012 #34

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
2. What are you talking about and where did you get that information? You
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:47 PM
Jan 2012

can't just lob that comment out there and not back it up with some sort of link...

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
17. I didn't miss his point about opening millions of acres of public lands and ocean
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jan 2012

to additional drilling and fracking.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
5. He put a whole helluva lot more emphasis on developing alternative/renewables.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:50 PM
Jan 2012

The pipeline is delayed and will now require a whole new environmental impact study. Meanwhile, TransCanada is getting heat at home and the whole idea may never make any economic sense. I think it was a throwaway line to show that he's willing to explore all energy options...but that dpoesn't mean he's promoting liquid sandpaper as a good option.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
6. When did he say he supported fracking?
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jan 2012

What he said was he supported full disclosure of what chemicals were being pumped into the ground.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
10. yes that was the part.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:58 PM
Jan 2012

He said he supported natural gas development, but he's going to make them disclose the chemicals. That's good, I want them to tell us want the chemicals are. But I think alot of people have been trying to put a hold on the fracking until it can be shown to be safe. Am I wrong ? Did I misunderstand him? By the time we analyze all these chemicals, they could screw up our water for the next hundred years.

We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly one hundred years, and my Administration will take every possible action to safely develop this energy. Experts believe this will support more than 600,000 jobs by the end of the decade. And I'm requiring all companies that drill for gas on public lands to disclose the chemicals they use. America will develop this resource without putting the health and safety of our citizens at risk.


I take this as support for fracking. Am I wrong?

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
32. Sounded to me like he supports drilling for gas but he wants it done safely
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:19 AM
Jan 2012

Disclosure of chemicals used in the process will be required so that the safety issues can be assessed.

In other words, he doesn't want any of the gas drilling setting off earthquakes!

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
35. I have been complaining about fracking since I first learned about it
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:34 AM
Jan 2012

I also live right outside DC, and the earthquake we recently had might have been caused by fracking. The Washington Monument to this day remains damaged and closed.

But he had a line in there about none of this should be done at the expense of clean water (and air, too, I believe).

I was simply answering a question. I also do not support increased domestic oil drilling.

Sam

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
38. How? He says frack away, right?
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jan 2012
A new poll of Ohio voters shows 72 percent think the practice should be stopped until more study of it can be done.
A new poll of Ohioans shows that more than seven in ten want the controversial practice of hydro-fracking stopped until more study of it can be done, according to a Quinnipiac University survey released this morning.

The first statewide poll on hydrofracking--the practice of pumping millions of gallons of chemical-laced water into shale deposits to crack open oil and natural gas deposits far below the earth's crust--shows Ohioans anxious about its impact on the environment. By a margin of 72-23, Ohioans say the practice should be stopped until further study.

http://www.nofrackohio.com/news/2012/1/20/new-quinnipiac-poll-ohioans-strongly-oppose-hydro-fracking-u.html

I think fracking should be stopped until it can be shown it is not poisoning our drinking water.

The president wants keep on fracking at full pace while requiring the gas companies to start disclosing their chemicals.
It the mean time if you are getting poisoned, you lose again.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
25. basically, the natural gas drillers are using all these toxic chemicals and it's poisoning our water
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:19 AM
Jan 2012

The president said they have to actually disclose what chemicals they are using, and he also said he supports clean water, so now everything is fine.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
11. I did not hear him say that in fact he said obtaining the gas safely without harm to people or
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jan 2012

environment.

 

slay

(7,670 posts)
18. Many of us feel the system is broken beyond repair
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:08 PM
Jan 2012

that's not to say that the Dems aren't better than the Repubs - they are - but the Dems have become so corrupt we are in a horrible spot right now. #OCCUPY seems the best solution. his warmongering shit talk about Iran is enough to make me turn this shit off.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
19. Like we trust BP
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jan 2012

If they were to have another gusher, the clean up solution would be the same. BP can't promise us they will ALWAYS be safe. And I don't trust fracking to be honest. Let's see some proof that BP is ready for another explosion and clean up. Oh they can't. Live with it. Oh and come visit the Gulf. It's "safe" now. LOL!

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
23. If the President says fracking is safe, the President is full of shit.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Jan 2012

Sorry if that hurts anybody's feelings.

the fracking chemicals and the waste are already toxic.

So if he says it is required to be safe, I have no idea what he is talking about, since this drilling is EXEMPT FROM THE CLEAN WATER ACT. and the Safe Drinking Water Act. There is nothing that has been shown to be safe with this deep gas drilling.
Quite the opposite.




mmonk

(52,589 posts)
20. People will hear only what they want to hear.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:28 PM
Jan 2012

The fight ahead for the enivironmental safety of our country will take bravery like that shown by Pat.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
24. There seemed to be a fracking commercial
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jan 2012

just after the SOTU address on my channel. 100 years of Natural Gas theme.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
27. he wants to make them disclose the chemicals they are using
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jan 2012

which would be a step in the right direction



This is election year politics. He needs to be seen as trying to decrease our dependence on foreign oil and this is one way to do that.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
28. He needs to be seen as not poisoning our water. That's just as good a political argument.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:34 AM
Jan 2012

Actually it's a better argument if you're running in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia.

The real politics is that the gas companies throw a lot of money at politicians.
And the people whose water is screwed up, they don't have any lobbyists.
We lose again.

They should have had to prove it was safe BEFORE they started drilling.
They should stop pumping until they can prove it is safe.




MFrohike

(1,980 posts)
30. It didn't seem that way
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:54 AM
Jan 2012

He seemed open to the practice, but I did enjoy his statement that he'll push to discover the chemicals involved. If he does this, and provides for it to be made public, he'll have done very well. Even if it's not possible, politically, to ban or limit the practice, I think that giving its opponents real information will be beneficial.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
34. While I generally thought it was a good speech,
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:32 AM
Jan 2012

that part bothered me, too, as well as the offshore drilling part. Many of us up here are fighting tooth and nail to stop the planned offshore exploration in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas.

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