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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere is no compromise with the NRA, inviting them to the table to talk is ludicrous
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Their solution is more guns everywhere. Hell let nurses in hospitals pack heat. Ya never know when a patient will get unruly, BLAM, there goes that troublemaker. ( for those without a sarcasm gene)
It's not because we are mentally ill, or that we need armed guards at great expense everywhere, it's simply a matter of numbers. The more guns and the easier they are to get, the greater number of deaths related to gunshots of all kinds.
Don't come here and tell me knives, poison, cars, bullshit. NOTHING kills faster and cleaner than a gun. Don't tell me 'ooh your Union buddies who make guns" one life is worth their jobs. It's time to put some sense into regulating them. They are more lethal than cars cigarettes and alcohol but they are less regulated. Time to stomp on the NRA and the manufacturers hard.
randome
(34,845 posts)Some members of the NRA will be more supportive of the administration on this basis alone.
To mock or disdain your enemies is to harden them against you. It cost us nothing to invite them to the table. Now, to some, they look intransigent and foolish.
And, philosophically speaking, Obama is President of ALL Americans. Even those belonging to the NRA.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Sell guns. They are a lobbying organization, no more, no less.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)How else can you expose the irrationality of the gun industry's propagandists for all to see, and to show there's no compromising with these lobbyists/propagandists other than to sell even more guns so more mass murdering of children can happen, than a high profile meeting with a high-profile VP?
Arkansas Granny
(31,506 posts)and they only way to do that is to engage them in a debate where their views can be measured against a reasonable argument.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)It was a brilliant move.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Which can only be to the good in gaining public support for gun control.
The more people hear just how fanatical and rigid they are on guns -- even, as Wayne LaPierre did on Meet The Press, being unable to even compromise on the **size** of a gun magazine -- the more their true nature and agenda is exposed.
So let LaPierre and David Keene and fellow travelers like Alex Jones have a seat at the table. Their craziness speaks volumes.
And if LaPierre and Keene are no longer representative of the majority of NRA members, then the membership should act accordingly.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's not 3d Chess or unusual brilliance.
The NRA has no vote in this...those who follow or belong to that special interest group may have a vote.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)So do those that want all guns removed from private ownership get a seat at the table too?
hack89
(39,171 posts)nothing will be done if every fringe position is represented.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Who gets recognized and who gets ignored is always part of the dynamic of this type of process.
The outcome of this sort of thing usually doesn't end up at an extreme. Extremists don't usually get much play unless they represent significant economic or political power. The NRA is widely recognized as having enjoyed both until recently. Wayne LaPierres comments significantly hurt the NRAs image and its political power.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... favor mo' gunz get automatic "recognition" and those that end up dead and mutilated by them don't?
I just LOVE the Delicate Flowers version of a "reasonable discourse."
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)as being in the minority and thereby not recognized as representing enough shareholders, or enough economic or political importance to represent a significant voice to the discussion.
Those of us NOT at the table, have to make our positions known through other means...such as petitions and letters to legislators.
There have been some extreme proposals suggested for changes to make it harder for the mentally ill to have access to guns. Yet, from all my reading, I haven't yet seen any advocate for rights of the mentally ill at the table, either. I can only hope that the extreme proposals aren't propsed by people allowed in the discussions
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... in a nation of 300 million. Does that constitute a "majority" by your math?
(Remind me not to have you handle my finances.)
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)My comment was aimed at people supporting the extreme position of banning civilian ownership of guns are in the minority as far as organized groups who can represent stakeholders.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Are these not your words?
"A ban all guns proponent might see it that way rather than seeing their position as being in the minority and thereby not recognized..."
Good for the goose..
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)1. MY saying your position on universal gun ban is in a minority doesn't imply ANYTHING about the NRA
2. There can be MULTIPLE positions, none of which have more than minority support.
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spanone
(135,791 posts)they are their own worse enemies
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)See, we invited them, we wanted to listen to them, and they still don't want any compromise. This is real exposure of the extremism.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)I don't think so. If you come to me with compromises on cutting Social Security my best offer would be my foot in your ass.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is extremism.
The Brady campaign did not include banning f all ownership in the US. That would be the equivalent.
Otoh they included 100% background checks, which is not radical at all.