I despise Fox Noise, but

[ProSense]

now that Kucinich went to work for Murdoch, maybe we should all tune in.

I mean, think about what you might miss.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/15/1198301/fox-news-captions-footage-of-illegal-border-crossings-with-the-hispanic-vote

[Little Star]

1. I can't believe they used that caption. They're sick.

[Bluenorthwest]

2. Last thing I saw on FoxNews:

[BumRushDaShow]

3. They also just announced today that they re-signed Rove for another 4 years

http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/television/article/Fox-News-signs-Karl-Rove-for-4-more-years-4203135.php

[Auntie Bush]

51. Good...he does a great job of creating more crazies for everyone to hate.

My greatest fear is they all get wise and calm down their hateful rhetoric and people might start liking them again.

[whatchamacallit]

4. Thanks

for destroying your own credibility with this super lame crusade.

[ProSense]

8. Oh Really?

"destroying your own credibility "

I should prove my "credibility" by going to work for Fox. I think you'd like me more.

[ProSense]

14. I know, shame on me for hating on Fox. n/t

[Cha]

74. You come off as only jealous.. not pretty. You don't like the facts so

you personally attack and accuse the OP of spamming. Ugly.

[Cha]

72. No, it's you who just "destroyed your credibility" with

your lame post.

[Fumesucker]

5. For someone who wants so much for everyone to support Obama

You sure spend a lot of time in what I perceive as attempting to be divisive.

Your time really would be better spent trying to explain to those who might like Kookinich or his positions why they should support Obama rather than mocking them.

Did you catch my OP about the science of why comment trolls suck?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022208065

[ProSense]

6. Are you calling me a fucking "troll"?

"Your time really would be better spent trying to explain to those who might like Kookinich or his positions why they should support Obama rather than mocking them. "

Nothing like self-righteous hypocrisy.

When Kucinich voted for health care reform, Jane Hamsher launched a site demanding he return donations.

She called the bill "fascism." (Sound familiar: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022209630)

Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-will-return-money-to-donors/

This is the same Jane Hamsher that many people here laud.

Kucinich's last vote in Congress was a yes on the fiscal cliff deal.

I appreciated those two votes. Joining Fox is not a good move.

[Fumesucker]

13. Your OP was clearly trolling, and you're not the first I've said that to lately

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2206301

I see hypocrisy everywhere I look, including in the mirror and including Obama, it's not a binary condition and it's part of the human condition, we are all hypocrites because we are all humans.

Be the change you wish to see, isn't that what Obama has said?

I was supporting and cheering Obama when 80% or better of DU said he screwed up, give me a little credit for something.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1480985

[ProSense]

15. Oh bullshit. You're comment is absurd drivel. You're just pissed that Kucinich sold out to Fox. n/t

[Fumesucker]

20. I don't give much of a damn about any politician, Kookinich says things I agree with quite a bit

Obama says things I agree with pretty often too but they're often not the same things Denny the K says.

You got the votes you wanted for Obama and now it seems to me all you want to do is gloat, the midterms are coming before all that long and you'll be begging for votes again and crying how the nasty evil EmoProg Firebaggers are going to sit at home.

Mocking people is not the way to get them to listen to you and take your words to heart, precisely the opposite in fact. If you truly want to effect progressive change you would be bringing every potential Democratic voter to your side instead of trying to alienate those with whom you do not completely agree.

The money quote from the article I posted.

In the context of the psychological theory of motivated reasoning, this makes a great deal of sense. Based on pretty indisputable observations about how the brain works, the theory notes that people feel first, and think second. The emotions come faster than the "rational" thoughts—and also shape the retrieval of those thoughts from memory. Therefore, if reading insults activates one's emotions, the "thinking" process may be more likely to be defensive in nature, and focused on preserving one's identity and preexisting beliefs.

[ProSense]

21. WTF?

"You got the votes you wanted for Obama and now it seems to me all you want to do is gloat"

Are you in some parallel universe? What the hell gives you the idea that I have any control over how people vote?

"...the midterms are coming before all that long and you'll be begging for votes again and crying how the nasty evil EmoProg Firebaggers are going to sit at home."

Frankly, I don't give a shit what you or anyone else does with your vote, and you can take that strawman argument and push it on someone else.

[Fumesucker]

28. So GOTV means nothing to you?

If it doesn't then why did you expend vast amounts of energy during the election promoting Obama?

Hell, you're a legend on DU for it, I actually admire your tenacity, you have far more focus than I do but I think your tactics are sometimes self defeating.

[ProSense]

33. LOL! Wait

"If it doesn't then why did you expend vast amounts of energy during the election promoting Obama?"

...did my "vast amounts of energy" convince you to vote for Obama?

"Hell, you're a legend on DU for it, I actually admire your tenacity, you have far more focus than I do but I think your tactics are sometimes self defeating."

I'm a friggin poster, just like you are. You, unlike me, spend way too much time building imaginary "legend(s)" in your mind.

That's an indication that you're way too focused on other people.

[Fumesucker]

36. Just like you are with Obama you cannot accept even the mildest constructive criticism of yourself

I used some of the things you posted over the months before the election to try and convince others to vote for Obama, some of the many little blue links you provided were quite useful.

Did I do a bad thing?

[ProSense]

40. There goes that

"I used some of the things you posted over the months before the election to try and convince others to vote for Obama, some of the many little blue links you provided were quite useful."

...imagination again. Did you just mention "blue links"? Really?

[Fumesucker]

43. Yes

January 11, 2012

[ProSense]

46. Aww schucks!

[Fumesucker]

48. ...

[snooper2]

50. We haven't had this in a while so...

[Fumesucker]

52. Turtles?

[treestar]

109. Kucinich is a Democrat

Who supported Obama much of the time before he was un-elected.

[JaneyVee]

7. Don't forget their super-reliable maps & grasp of world geography

[Cha]

73. Will they dub him "Dennis Kucinich R"? Nah, they'll make sure their

brainwashed viewers know it's a former Dem congressman dissing the President.

[demmiblue]

9. There are a scant few who will tune into Fox because of Kucinich.

I am curious to know why you keep pushing this.

[ProSense]

11. Because

"I am curious to know why you keep pushing this."

...unlike you, I've read a number of comments declaring such intent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2210431

You obviously haven't been following the discussion.

[demmiblue]

16. Lol... you found somebody!

Perhaps you should take a look at your own poll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2204073

This is just silliness... 99.99% are not going to tune into Fox because of Kucinich.

[whatchamacallit]

17. Well played! n/t

[ProSense]

18. Did you really think

"Perhaps you should take a look at your own poll. "

...that those who are going to watch Fox would respond to that poll?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=371006

Even with the "yes" option, it was clearly going to attract those who are not going to watch.

How many people are going to admit that they will?

[whatchamacallit]

19. Very well

continue tilting at that windmill...

[ProSense]

22. Damn,

you missed it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022210590

[whatchamacallit]

24. Yes I did miss it

which is evidence of how lame your shit stirring is.

[ProSense]

30. I think it's hilarious

"which is evidence of how lame your shit stirring is."

...that you continue to refer to the OP as "shit stirring."

I mean, other than referencing Kucinich working for Murdoch, the OP is about Fox Noise.

It's about Kucinich going to work for Fox Noise. The OP is fact. The image is real.

What exactly is "shit stirring" about calling out Fox?

[whatchamacallit]

32. I think it's hilarious

how dumb you think people are. Anyone with two brain cells knows you're not "calling out fox", you're calling out Kucinich and his supporters. But go ahead and play your games.

[ProSense]

37. Are you saying

"Anyone with two brain cells knows you're not 'calling out fox'"

...by calling out Fox I'm playing eleventh dimension chess that only people with as few as two brain cells can understand?

What about the people with more brain cells who do realize that this is calling out Fox (even though Kucinich is caught in it)?

[whatchamacallit]

39. I'm saying

people with a lot of brain cells know when to quit.

[ProSense]

41. Are you saying

"I'm saying people with a lot of brain cells know when to quit."

...you're lacking?

[demmiblue]

26. More silliness.

"How many people are going to admit that they will?"

If you thought DUers were going to be dishonest, why did you post the poll in the first place?

[ProSense]

29. What?

"If you thought DUers were going to be dishonest, why did you post the poll in the first place?"

Who the hell said anything about anyone being "dishonest." Not responding is not responding, and there is nothing "dishonest" about not responding.

[demmiblue]

42. So, then, why did you post a poll?

This makes no sense.

[ProSense]

44. So people could respond?

Or do you think I also control who will respond?

[demmiblue]

47. Yes, I think you can control who responds.

[ProSense]

49. .

[liberalmuse]

12. Oh, I hear ya.

I just found out and am stunned. This planet is not the same place I plopped out of my mother's womb into 49 years ago. This is insane. Fuck Faux, and shame on Kucinich.

[MuseRider]

23. For Christ sakes.

He can do whatever he fucking wants to do. That does not mean that we who have always liked him will "follow blindly" because quite frankly most of the K people that I know have quite independent minds and really do not fall for the starry eyed worshipful crap that would make them follow him to Fox. I have never watched Fox and will not be starting now. I will most likely not hear any more about what he says there than I hear when Obama or all the others end up on Fox for their interviews. I like DK but what he does now is his business he is no longer working for us.

Like I said in one other thread similar to this, he should only work for the democrats? Why, because they treated him so well?

I won't be replying. This is just mean, silly and stupid. Let it go. Dennis is beholding to only himself and if this is what he wants to do then fine. I really don't know why you feel such a deep need to try to bring other people down. Another post about this from you shows that you are just being cruel. There are terms for people who love to make others feel sad and pained. I won't use them here, would love to but I won't be back to see your snarky, snide, bully reply so there is no gain for me in it. IOW, your behavior here makes DU suck for a lot of people and I am quite certain that no matter what you think, anyone working for Obama would not consider your manner with others an asset.

For those that are here that are hurt by this you should feel badly for doing this but I am entirely certain you are not capable of feeling badly for anyone. Hopefully they will come to realize very quickly who you are. They will then do what I and many others do, not be a part of anything you are involved in until you step so far over the line they have to say something.

[ProSense]

25. Sure, but

"He can do whatever he fucking wants to do."

...are you saying he can't be criticized? I criticized Evan Bayh too.

Fox News Signs Former Senator Evan Bayh As A Contributor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/14/fox-news-evan-bayh_n_835521.html

Undisclosed: Fox Lets Bayh Do His Clients' Bidding
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/01/undisclosed-fox-lets-bayh-do-his-clients-biddin/190226

Just wait until Lieberman makes a move.

[bama_blue_dot]

81. On here Kucinich can do no wrong..

The fact that he went to Fox proves that he is just an opportunist who wanted money..

[whatchamacallit]

27. Salute

[ananda]

31. ProNONsense!

..

[ProSense]

34. Blue linky!

Oh brother.

[Robb]

35. He deserves a big payday.

I won't begrudge the man lining his nest at this point. What else could he do?

[Politicub]

38. I'm sure the money means nothing and he's going there to clean up the joint

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. Kooch is "cashing in"!

[Politicub]

80. Cha-Ching!

[Tarheel_Dem]

91. Do we know yet, how much his "principles" were worth? ($$$$$)

[SidDithers]

45. I'm reccing this thread just because you're pissing off all the right people...nt

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

53. Way ahead of you

my rec put this pathetic poo pile on greatest for all to see.

[ProSense]

56. You haz a sad?

[whatchamacallit]

58. ?

and ?

[ProSense]

61. I'll share.

Have it all, seems like you need it more than me.

[Cha]

75. They are PISSED.. how dare Pro Sense link Dennis Kucinich

with Fox Screws?!! Oh wait.. the little ****** did that himself.

[rug]

54. Imagine that.

[ProSense]

55. Yeah,

Kucinich, the paid contributor to Fox, always reminds me of the President doing an interview.

Uncanny!

[rug]

57. The Fox News you say you despise.

The Fox News that's a propaganda arm.

The Fox News that gets a huge rating whenever a President is on.

Yes, that Fox News.

[ProSense]

59. Yup, despise them.

Are you trying to convince me not to despise them?

[rug]

60. I thought you despised people who associate with Fox News.

Wasn't that the point of your OP?

[ProSense]

62. If you mean an "associate" like Dick Morris,

paid!

Yup, that's the point.

[rug]

63. There are lots of ways of associating with, if not support, Fox News.

You're way off base with your anti-Kucinich crusade, unsurprising as that is. It's not nice to attack Democrats.

[ProSense]

64. Oh please.

"You're way off base with your anti-Kucinich crusade, unsurprising as that is. It's not nice to attack Democrats."

Don't make me laugh. He took a job with Fox Noise. He works for Murdoch now.

I'll criticize, and it's rather laughable to claim that somehow this criticism of Fox and Kucinich is an "attack" on Democrats.

Spare me.

[rug]

65. I take it then you welcome criticism of the conduct of the Afghanistan war as well.

After all, you were always so unbiased in your view of Rep. Kucinich.

[ProSense]

66. The straw man went that way>>>>n/t

[rug]

67. ^^^^^

Fixed.

[ProSense]

68. Here:

This IS Important!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1897167

Despise Fox.

[rug]

69. Well, then, all good Democrats should boycott that network.

[ProSense]

70. How: by going to work for it? n/t

[rug]

92. By appearing on it.

[Doctor_J]

94. Boycott by appearing on it?

Freeper logic

[rug]

99. Duh

[Doctor_J]

96. Duh

Posts that refer to it with a link, or an excerpt, or any other reference, should be alerted and removed.

[rug]

100. We can start with the OP.

[arely staircase]

103. so kucinich is just doing an unpaid interview like the prez in your post?

or are you saying obama was at some point a paid employee of rupert murdoch, as mr. kucinich has agreed to be?

[rug]

104. The question is supporting or ignoring Fox News.

I daresay that one appearance dis more for Fox that all of Kucinich's past and future appearances.

[arely staircase]

105. because being a paid murdoch employee is a distinction not worth making?

or just best ignored from you point of view?

[rug]

106. Compared to a presidential appearance(s), no.

Unless any excuse to bash Kucinich will do.

This OP has very little to do with Fox and everything to do with antipathy to Kucinich for his positions while serving as a Democratic representative.

Coyness is unbecoming.

[arely staircase]

107. I think decisions like agreeing to work for Mr. Murdoch might underly some of that 'antipathy'

toward Mr. Kucinch.

[rug]

108. You may be right. There was never antipathy against Kucinich before.

[arely staircase]

112. taking a paid gig at Fox "News" is hardly the first thing Mr. Kucinich has done

that many democrats have found offensive.

which is why i said decisions "like" going to work for rupert murdoch.

[rug]

113. Oh, what was the first thing he did that you found offensive?

Argue against the war?

Argue for single payer?

This may be news to you but he has done things that many Democrats applaud and the Administration has done hings that many Democrats deplore.

You have no monopoly on what is a Democrat.

Thanks for confirming this OP has very little to do with Fox.

[arely staircase]

114. you can search Kucinich here at DU and find many posts

by people over the years who have found him offensive and self-serving. You know this because you referenced it yourself.

yes, he has some defenders and supporters among democrats in general (in the single digit percentages based on presidential election results) and an even greater share among DUrs I am sure.

and as far as the OP having little to do with Fox, well let's make it about that - how do you feel about Mr. Kucinich's choice to work for Murdoch's Fox News?

[rug]

115. Consideing I've been here when those posts were made, unlike you, I needn't search.

As far as his decision, it's a bad one. Fox should be shunned. But Kucinich shouldn't be.

[Cha]

71. Brilliant point, Pro Sense.. Fox Screws doing some its Brainwashing

Techniques for Racist pig pens. Dennis will be up there with Karl Rove.. speaking of "pig pens".

[Tarheel_Dem]

77. Let's hope Kooch is more effective at this job than he was at the last one.

[gordianot]

78. I actually enjoyed Fox News on election night 2012 especially Rove's meltdown.

The next day I actually started a thread how entertaining that was and recommended it to others on DU. Quickly reality set in and I regretted doing that. However to the end of my days I will cherish the spewing denial Rove raved on Fox election night. As to Kucinich if he engages in anything noteworthy I will trust those with more fortitude than I to report it. I would prefer to stare into the sun than watch Fox News.

[JNelson6563]

79. Look at the comment trolls lining up!

lolz

I gotta hand it to you PS, you can sure push the haters' buttons! And all you have to do most times is to state the obvious and damn! The fur flies!



Julie

[ProSense]

84. You're being too mean to Fox

[99Forever]

82. What an embittered,..

.. hateful thread.

A mirror image of Murdoch's propaganda network.

Nice work.

[ProSense]

83. You mean

"A mirror image of Murdoch's propaganda network."

...Kucinich's new employer?

You're upset that people don't like Fox? I think the lunatics would agree with that sentinment.

[99Forever]

85. I meant exactly what I said.

Nothing more, nothing less. End of discussion.

Have a nice day.

[ProSense]

87. Yeah, you're mad that people hate Fox.

You're lashing out at people for despising Fox.

You think a thread about despising Fox is "embittered" and "hateful."

Now that you've done PR for Fox, you have a nice day.

[99Forever]

88. I'm sorry..

... but I'll pass on the bait this morning.

Have a nice day.

[cynatnite]

86. I have not found 1 reason to watch that network...

Even Kucinich's presence doesn't convince me.

[FSogol]

89. LOL, Who knew Fox News had so many defenders here?

I guess hiring Kucinich is already paying off?

A lot of DU'ers should be self deleting their embarrassing messages in this thread.

[Doctor_J]

102. As one of the president's most vocal critics

on drone killings, torture, Reaganomics, and other right-wing measures, this is appalling. You can tell from some of the posts that there are quite a few DUers who are Fox and Hate Radio addicts. For myself, I would NEVER criticize Obama in front of any Repukes - only among Dems, who by definition want him to succeed (at least in his Democratic initiatives). Kucinich has completely debased himself by this move, and he's now ruined an honorable career in Congress by associating himself with Bob Beckel, Lanny Davis, and Juan Williams, and all of the other traitors who take money from traitors Murdoch and Ailes.

[Doctor_J]

90. No thanks

My view of Kucinich just took a nose dive, and I will never, ever, tune into that propaganda factory. I will probably start alerting every post that references that POS.

[SomethingFishy]

93. This thread is a mess...

Lots of name calling and bullshit but no actual point.

Who gives a shit what Kucinich does? He lost, the guy needed a job. Will I tune into Fox to see him? Hell no I wouldn't tune in Fox to see the damn weather. I just don't get the point of this.

Is there not enough division in the party for you already? Honestly, did you post this because you thought you were being funny or because you wanted to rile up Kucinich supporters?

I just don't get it.

[ProSense]

98. What utter bullshit.

"Is there not enough division in the party for you already? Honestly, did you post this because you thought you were being funny or because you wanted to rile up Kucinich supporters?"

Criticizing Fox Noise upsets Kucinich supporters? Really?

Don't like this thread? Here, take your strawman argument over to this thread:

Democratic Party Divided As Obama Inauguration Approaches - FDL
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022214099

[SWTORFanatic]

95. Fox News was awesome 11/7/12

[2ndAmendmentRights]

97. Wait, what?

Wait, what?

[jambo101]

101. You decide.

FOX is more to do with the video equivalent of tabloid journalism than a it has to do with being a serious site that reports news.
Never use a FOX story as your only source for the news as their credibility can be very undependable..

[treestar]

110. It's Faux's way of trying to get liberals

to tune in. It's all about the $$$.

[bobduca]

111. You all hated Kucinich since DU was founded, no suprise here.

[bunnies]

116. ^^ Member since: Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:25 PM ^^

oh rly.

[ProSense]

117. LOL! What's hilarious

is the same people who hype FDL didn't seem to have a problem when the group threw Kucinich under a bus.

When Kucinich voted for health care reform, Jane Hamsher launched a site demanding he return donations.

She called the bill "fascism." (Sound familiar: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022201466)

Rather than actually helping the poor, this bill is a dangerous and unprecedented step on the road to domination of government by private corporate players who use it to suppress competition and secure their profits — the textbook definition of fascism.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/17/dennis-kucinich-will-return-money-to-donors/

Thrown under a bus for voting for this:

The health care law is still the biggest expansion of the safety net since Medicare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022159929

Kucinich: Supreme Court Upholds (ACA), A Key Step in the Long Fight for Medicare For All
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002871293

But it's blasphemy to criticize Fox and Kucinich for going to work for the network.

[bunnies]

118. Yeah. Well you know...

Hes starving! Needs to eat & cant feed his family on the millions he made in congress. Or the money from his books. Or his pension. And dammit, there was simply no other place in the country to get a job! Might as well prop up some bullshit fear-mongering RW "news" channel by being the "fair and balanced" poster boy!

He's takin' it to the man, man. Cuz knuckle-draggers are SO open minded! Besides, fox once "let" Dennis be in a debate! Now, I know any logical person would think that fox "let" Dennis debate so their dickbrained viewers could point & laugh at the loony left "libtard" but Noooooooo. They did it because they sincerely value his insight and opinions. Just like NOW.

You just dont understand.