Man shops at Utah JCPenney while carrying assault rifle

[sasha031]

A man in Riverdale, Utah walked into a local JCPenney department store this week armed to the teeth, carrying a holstered handgun, a semi-automatic assault rifle and extra clips on his belt.

The strange display of firepower was enough to draw a scene, with bystanders taking photos and making concerned comments to one another. Images of the man published to Facebook caused a stir in the community and got the attention of ABC 4 in Salt Lake City.

The woman who took the photo that got the most attention said it happened on Wednesday, just four hours after President Barack Obama announced a series of executive orders relating to firearms.

Utah state law, however, says the man’s actions are legal, provided the weapons were unloaded. The man was not positively identified, and JCPenney’s public relations team did not respond to a request for comment.



Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yDSE)

[HereSince1628]

1. Attention seekers...setting up confusion

They get to make their statement and enjoy being at the center of a kerfluffle standing on a 2A molehill

But they also divert attention of security.

They care much less for society than they do for their desire to be the center of attention.

[Old and In the Way]

6. Who knows? Maybe the NRA is paying people to open carry.

probably ends up generating more gun sales with people who are uncomfortable/nervous with these displays of private firepower.

[HereSince1628]

11. Maybe, but not parsimonious. No reason to think the person did it on his own for personal

reasons.

Lot's of people seek their narcissistic supply in marginally acceptable ways.

[TxRider]

187. Just another political activist to me

He's just being an activist for the cause he believes in. I fail to see a problem.

I mean his actions aren't even up to the level of civil disobedience, as he is breaking no law.

One person's activist is another persons arsehole, moron, whatever the insult of the day is.

[Paladin]

197. Why Should Your "Activist" Be Trusted, Given The Mass Killings Of Recent Months?

A guy strolling into a store with an assault rifle plainly visible, and people are supposed to just accept it as something normal? As if the incidents in Newtown, CT and Aurora, CO (and dozens of other occurrences before them) never happened? Just because it's somehow legal, sure as hell doesn't make it right.

[PatrynXX]

192. and again violence over sex

Think somewhere someone finally banned public nudity.. in CA. zzzz oh but one can carry a full to the rack up his ass gun collection...

Personally I'd rather see like no dress code at the mall. that someone trying to give a few of us heart attacks. oh well the nudity might cause blindness but whoops.

[MotherPetrie]

2. Meanwhile, his wife was in the magnifiying glass department

[taught_me_patience]

4. .

[sasha031]

7. I don't see the amusement

[2pooped2pop]

33. his wife was looking for a magnifying glass so she could find his dick

Being that is usually quite small when one overcompensates in this way.

[sasha031]

41. sorry I didn't get it at 1st,

This is happening more frequently, how is it people are screaming about it.

[smirkymonkey]

170. LOL!

[RandiFan1290]

64. I bet

[galileoreloaded]

97. hahahahahaha

they are getting away with murder!

[Aldo Leopold]

140. .

[valerief]

147. Bwahahaha!

[april]

177. U R so Correct

[Ruby the Liberal]

180. !!!

[LuckyLib]

189. LOL! Best response ever!

[bowens43]

196. your comment makes no sense.

[Old and In the Way]

3. And we know he's not a nutcase....how?

Sorry, but anyone who feels compelled to carry these weapons in public, is already a strange dude. At the very least, someone with paranoid and anti-social tendencies. What a joke - OK because the weapon was unloaded....like he couldn't snap the magazine in the rifle and start another massacre in seconds.

[HereSince1628]

8. My guess is attention seeking...had a woman show up at church wearing a glock

not long ago.

It had the desired effect of getting her attention. Calls among leaders of local congregations revealed she's been trolling houses of worship.

[2pooped2pop]

157. I would say that if one feels they need a gun in church,

then they be the "Ye, of little faith" type. I mean, if one really believes in God, then bringing a gun is saying you don't trust in God.

[HereSince1628]

159. I suspect she was thinking about liberals at a UU congregation rather than theism.

It's not really possible to be inside her head, but she visited a variety of non-denominational other than funadamentalist assemblies in the area.

People have all manner of emotional needs that don't necessarily interfere with their daily function, to me she seemed to be enjoying the attention avalanches she tripped by skiing along a steep slope whose downside is trouble.

[siligut]

42. Why, he is a church going family man, of course

Being facetious, I don't want to read any gun craziness this morning.

[2pooped2pop]

154. I know nothing about these weapons but

do they also have the "one left in the chamber" type problem that some handguns have when you take the clip out, but one bullet has already been locked in? People sometimes take the clip out and think it is now unloaded without realizing that one bullet is still in there ready to fire.

Do these things have that kind of possible oops shooting?

[AtheistCrusader]

193. Sure.

Most semi-auto weapons would have that issue.

Full auto maybe not. Some fire from a position called an 'open bolt', in which case the chamber would be empty.

This is the reason for firearm handling rule #1: All firearms are always loaded, period.


I have friends that are no longer allowed to handle firearms in my home, or in my presence at the range or gravel pit, due to violations of this rule.

[AAO]

182. Whether legal or not, this man needs some phsycological counselling

and he should forfeit his license until he is deemed fit to join the "normal" gun-toting society.

[ElboRuum]

185. Probably this NRA supporter's idea of political theater.

Just some knucklehead trying to make a point and doing it in the most obnoxious way possible.

[bowens43]

195. we know that he IS a nutcase. If he wasn't , he wouldn't have done this.

[proud2BlibKansan]

5. Next stop Small Penis Club meeting

[Enrique]

9. how can they tell if it's unloaded?

Utah state law, however, says the man’s actions are legal, provided the weapons were unloaded.

[hack89]

23. No magazine in the weapon. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

67. What if there's a bullet in the chamber?

[hack89]

71. I guess the cops could politely ask to check the weapon. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

72. Or maybe people shouldn't be allowed to go to the mall armed to the teeth

[hack89]

73. It is up to the people of Utah.

if they don't like it they can always change their laws.

Judging from the picture, it looks like many people didn't care that much.

[klyon]

116. if people start caring everywhere how we we know when someone is about to open fire?

Is this to desensitize us so when they do plan on shooting no one will question them before they get a chance to get to where they want to shoot. Is this reasonable behavior in a mall?

[Hoyt]

79. Maybe yahoos ought to leave them at home, no matter what laws allow.

[2pooped2pop]

156. Yes, this is what I was asking about

If these guns can have a bullet in the chamber, then they absolutely can not have it in there. I mean logically, not legally, yet.

Too many idiot gun owners. Hell they accident ly shoot themselves this way. Why should be be subjected to it?

Did you see the video of idiot gun owners and their guns going off accidentally in just this way plus other stupid moves by the owners? It's really kind of funny. I have a link to it further down in one of my post. It is a must see video.

[secondvariety]

120. Looks like there is one.

[arely staircase]

131. ah, you beat me to it

just posted the same thought. yes, it there does appear to be one. of course it still may be legal to have an unloaded magazine in the weapon and it be considered unloaded. although the simplest way to assure that it isn't loaded w/more than one potential round in the chamber is to prohibit the insertion of the magazine, or hey, here is an idea, don't let people walk around the mall with loaded guns strapped all over them regardless.

[secondvariety]

133. It's easier

to see the magazine in the BW photos of my local newspaper.

[arely staircase]

130. it looks like there is

but if the mag is unloaded then so is the gun, right? i don't know how that state's law is written. but it does seem to me there is a magazine sticking out of that weapon.

[blackspade]

167. There is a magazine loaded inthe picture from the OP.

[Whisp]

10. what a fucking moranic idiot. geeze. n/t

[Last Stand]

66. Free advertising for the Pres's Executive Orders.

People who bark about 2nd Amendment rights relating are the lunatic fringe--even for the average gun owner. I don't think most people see hand guns and assault rifles in the same light.

Go ahead--put those assault rifles in everyone's face. You don't represent us. You don't represent the Constitution.

The backlash is already on the way.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. A right wing fashion accessory. Do they come in pink?

[Hugabear]

19. Quick google search turned up this

[bunnies]

13. Im going to start calling this dipshits what they are...

Terrorists.

[RC]

70. That is exactly it. Where does he thing he is? Iraq, after we were done with it?

The very act of being in public that heavily armed, is, or at least should be, an act of terrorism. It scares the populace unnecessarily. How is that not terrorism? It also has to be bad for business.
If he is that paranoid, that he thinks he needs his guns in public, that alone proves he should not be allowed to possess them.
How is anyone supposed to know that he doesn't have one in the chamber? Is he even sure, one way or the other?
Pity that guy if another armed someone, still shell shocked from another mass shooting shows up. Another public massacre waiting to happen.

[bunnies]

92. Isnt it amazing?

All these assholes wandering around with these kinds of weapons. How long before they make US look like the countries they despise so much? They "love" America alright. Yeah. Whats not to love about a country where you feel you need a frigging weapon (or TWO) to go shopping?!

[RC]

93. With the angle of the dangle of his weapon in the picture, I bet he never served in the military.

Got his weapons training from Hollywood shoot'em up action movies.

[bunnies]

94. Oh come on...

that thing would be IMPOSSIBLE to grab right off his back.

[cynzke]

129. From The Photo...Looks like

an amatuer to me. Weapon slung behind him and out of his immediate control. If loaded, someone could come up behind him, grab it and pull the trigger killing bystanders. This idiot is totally vulnerable to some nutcase who could walk up behind him in line and simply pull out a concealed weapon and pop a few rounds into this guy's head or torso despite the fact he is armed to the teeth. Stringing yourself with weapons like a Christmas tree isn't necessarily going to protect you if some nut is determined to get you.

[jorno67]

14. For what it's worth...

If I were ever going to rob a department store - I would shoot this guy on site and then proceed with the already scheduled crime...

[nick of time]

15. You'd probably want to turn around and walk away

because by now, the police are on the way to check out this moron and you don't want to be in the middle of a robbery with the cops there.

[jorno67]

18. yeah...you're probably right.

It's just that every time I see some jack ass like this I see it as them wearing a big ass target one their back if something really did go down.

[nick of time]

22. Very true.

[bongbong]

35. Exactly

In fact, this NRA Terrorist is even worse for security than on first glance.

If you had a tiny gun, maybe even a high power slingshot, your first target would be the back of his head. Then grab his Precious and start mowing people down.

The Delicate Flowers' mega-paranoia is their type of mental illness.

[quinnox]

16. I would want the SWAT team called if I saw a guy walking around with an assault rifle

If these jokers keep this idiocy up, one of them is bound to find out this display could turn out to be a very bad idea, if they get surrounded by police and shot because they think he might be going for his gun.

How the hell are people supposed to know these freaks aren't the latest mass shooter, and about ready to start their killing spree?

[nick of time]

20. And in Utah, the police would ask you if he's brandishing it in a threatening way.

And if not, then he's doing nothing illegal to warrant a visit by SWAT.
He's an idiot, but under Utah law, he's doing nothing illegal, he might get a visit by a cop to see if the firearm is unloaded, but SWAT won't be sent.

[quinnox]

24. if thats the case, I thank my lucky stars

I don't live in Utah.

[nick of time]

25. Me too.

[global1]

56. I Guess I Won't Be Going Skiing In Utah Ever Again....nt

[global1]

57. So We Just Wait Until One Of These Nuts Starts Firing And Then We Can Call The Police?.....nt

[Logical]

17. I would have told the idiot that he was an idiot! n-t

[Ed Suspicious]

61. I make it a rule not to overtly show the gun wielding narcissist that he's not as smart as

he thinks he is. The kind of stupid he possesses surely comes with some lack of self control.

[Logical]

87. True. Maybe unstable. What a fool! n-t

[TheBlackAdder]

21. With the recent Macy's mall shooting...

I'm sure customers were wondering if this guy will snap.

Could it be that the guy suffers from steroid induced impotence and this forces him to overcompensate?

[HereSince1628]

27. More likely just a guy seeking attention

and he got it.

[2pooped2pop]

158. and what happens if the store doesn't honor his coupon?

or refused to give him a refund. Will he use that weapon?

[msongs]

26. by definition this guy is committing assault nt

[nick of time]

36. No he's not.

Not in Utah. He's an attention seeking moron, but he's not breaking any law.

[Supply Side Jesus]

152. +1

[lapfog_1]

28. Every day occurrence in rural parts of Arizona

utterly stupid. But almost any day that I was grocery shopping at Safeway, there would be people strolling in as if they were on their way to a gun show or a active war zone.

[uponit7771]

29. ...and if the man was brown or dark brown skinned...shit, we know the rest

[Mutatis Mutandis]

137. do not be quite so quick to jump to racial conclusions

Man carries assault rifle to Obama protest -- and it's legal

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-17/politics/obama.protest.rifle_1_protesters-weapons-assault-rifle?_s=PM

[uponit7771]

150. lol...I'm talking about the avg black 20yr old not some dude dressed in a button down and tie

...lol...that was a pretty good attempt though

[humbled_opinion]

174. Although I understand your rationale

if you really reflect on it you may see just how stereotypical your comment sounds....

[Hoyt]

176. Apparently it was part of a media stunt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/right-wing-radio-host-sta_n_262559.html

[99Forever]

30. Delicate Flowers...

... NEED to be "protected" at all times.

[2pooped2pop]

31. I would have complained, then left with all my stuff sitting on the counter.

It may not be illegal but if I can't get in without shirt or shoes, then he definitely should not get in with that.

No Shirt, No Shoes, No sense, No Service

If the stores lose business because whacko John is present with his weapons, then they will make it a rule. Make JC Penny's a gun free zone. (as well as starbucks, Pizza Hut and all stores catering to real customers)

You can take em on the street, but you can't bring em shopping.

Want to stop this? Have a black guy do it.

[quinnox]

34. a black dude would have been confronted by cops with guns drawn before he even

got 250 feet into the store. That is, if he wasn't just shot on sight first. You know it and I know it. Same with a "Muslim" looking guy.

But a white guy can get away with this shit, no problemo, especially in white and ultra right wing Utah.

[2pooped2pop]

40. I know.

But I will leave any store very loudly if I see anyone other than a security guard with a gun. They will know why I left. They will know why I won't be back. With any luck, others will follow.

Keep your God damned guns at home. This is not a militarized zone. Yet, anyway.

[mike dub]

126. Good point

And if they don't make it a gun free zone, I think they could, on case by case basis, tell the moron he is disturbing paying-customers and he needs to leave the store. A store is private property, state law to open-carry not withstanding (I believe a property lessee/owner could do this in stores here in the South, and I'd think they could even in wild west Utah). If he doesn't leave, then the store's management could call the law re; man refuses to leave store when asked/trespassing complaint.

[Prog_gun_owner]

143. Yes make them all gun free zones just like the schools!!!

Because that worked so well.

I don't think this guy needs an ar15 and what he is doing is stupid. But I don't support making every place a gun free zone, because the moment you do, then the nut jobs know where to go to kill the most people possible before they meet any resistance at all.

I think that you should be able to bring a reasonable self defense weapon with you most places, but such a display as this is not reasonable and only hurts the ideals of how a responsible gun owner should exorcize their right to bear arms.

note to jury:

Yes, I am a new poster, but I have lurked for many years, and I wish to join the discussion here on DU. Most of my views are progressive, except when it comes to fire arms. I don't ascribe to NRA talking points, but I don't support taking fire arms away from law abiding citizens either. The crooks will get them legal or not. Law abiding citizens should be able to get them as well, provided they pass a background check. I'm all for a "well regulated militia" in that I think that at the very least, all states should be "shall issue CCW" provided the license holder passes a background check, and possibly a psyc evaluation.

[2pooped2pop]

151. this video sums up what many people feel represents the

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largest part of the "gots ta carry my gun in public, coz I the man", crowd.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022220602

This is why we don't want assholes with guns out where we are.

Keep em at home with mom. Or, at the very least, in your car.

We don't want your so called protection, and if you are afraid to shop at a store like Penny's without a gun, then the sign on the door might just say NO WIMPS instead of no guns.

Oops sorry that video is to the gun appreciation day shootings. This is the one you should see.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-fails-second-amendment-rights-gone-wrong_n_2490579.html

[2pooped2pop]

169. sent you the wrong gun idiot link. Check out this one.

This is one reason why we don't want assholes with guns where we shop, play, or work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/gun-fails-second-amendment-rights-gone-wrong_n_2490579.html

[blackspade]

172. So you also support open carry for....

Swords, axes, flails, crossbows, polearms, and other weapons as well?

[mwb970]

186. I wish there were some way to talk about this without the phrase "gun free zone".

I am so sick of this phrase already, and the argument has barely begun. It seems to be mostly Fox "News" viewers and Limbaugh listeners who use it, so I was assuming it was just the usual parroting and dittoheadery. Now here it is from Prog_gun_owner, who I guess is a progressive.

Could we possibly have a "gun free zone" free day? Just for a change.

[Yavin4]

32. Who Inspires More Terror A Muslim family shopping in JCP? Or that dolt?

If I saw him, I'd run in terror.

[2pooped2pop]

44. that's a good plan

I would have just stormed out, protesting loudly, throwing my items to purchase on the counter.

But if I ran screaming and freaked out, perhaps even needing medical attention to calm me, they would have to reconsider if they want to change store policy a bit.

(yeah, I would)

No shirt, no shoes, no sense, no service.

If I can't shop there without my shirt, he should not be allowed to shop there with that thing. I can't imagine any stores that would actually want this guy in there. Accidents happen and they would probably be sued. And so what is to stop the robber from just strolling in with his gun?

[A Brand New World]

100. That would be my reaction too! I would immediately leave after

telling the clerks my reason for leaving & never coming back. You've presented my thoughts & feelings exactly. Plus I would legitimately be screaming and freaked out.

[bongbong]

37. Is there SYG laws there?

Shoot the NRA Terrorist first and say you felt threatened and wanted to stand your ground.

[ecstatic]

46. I was thinking the same thing

I imagine he'd be shot pretty quickly if he got into an aggressive confrontation with a concealed carry person. His ill timed display of firepower could force people to take the most aggressive action possible to protect themselves.

[bongbong]

49. Yep!

Do something mildly aggressive, like cut in line (making sure there aren't direct witnesses or surveillance cameras watching), let him start mouthing off, and them - BLAMMO!

On second thought, I realize you could really fuck with that (or any similar terrorist) Delicate Flower if you wanted. Find a cop with a gun (easy if you have a friend in that line of work), station him somewhere nearby, and create the aforementioned situation. Let the cop take him down.

I'm sure the DU Delicate Flowers will have their panties in an ESPECIAL twist if they read this post.

[ecstatic]

38. This illustrates everything wrong with carry laws

I think carrying should be outlawed. I shouldn't have to "trust" that an asshole like that will do the right thing. This guy is a terrorist; his sole intention was to intimidate everyone in the room. And if I saw someone like that, I wouldn't stick around taking pictures.

[Gregorian]

39. One never knows what manequins can get up to. Better safe than sorry.

[rightsideout]

43. Fashion accessories for white men

The black pants matches the gun sash. I would suggest a decorative bullet belt that has brass bullets to match the yellow shirt. He may want to consider a matching earring.

[Rider3]

45. Intimidation...

pure and simple.

[marmar]

47. What point is this gun-toting screwball trying to make? .......

....... other than, 'I'm an insecure asshole.'

[frylock]

48. never seen an open carry, but i'll be sure to tell them "sorry about your penis"

if ever I do.

[wackadoo wabbit]

96. I actually did just about that once

I was at our local Office Max here in semi-rural Arizona a couple of months ago and saw that the idiot in front of me in line was carrying a gun. I turned to my husband and said in a normal tone of voice, "Did you know that men who carry guns have been shown to have small dicks?" The cashier looked up, startled; my poor husband cringed a bit (although he knows I'm a bit outspoken sometimes, so he wasn't too surprised); but the best response was from the guy with the gun. He sort of shrank into himself, stuttered a bit when he finished with the cashier, and quickly left. It was obvious that he had heard me and equally obvious that he was embarrassed.

I like to think that maybe he thought twice before strapping on that gun the next time he went to a store.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

149. and I'd have to tell you that I don't have a penis.

But thank you for your concern.

[sinkingfeeling]

50. The first time I see a fool like that, I walk out of the store, out of the mall,

drive out of the town, out of the state, and fly out of the country.

[Vietnameravet]

51. Ya! It's the Conservative vision for America!!

[ladjf]

52. My guess is that the armed man is either paranoid delusional or just likes getting attention.

nt

[LonePirate]

53. I do not understand why his insecurity trumps the fear he instills in everyone else.

Isn't this a visual equivalent of the old "yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre" taunt?

[marions ghost]

88. well said

[russspeakeasy]

144. Exactly !

[Paladin]

54. And This Shit-For-Brains Probably Thought He Was Advancing The Gun Rights Cause.

But as usual, all this open carry incident amounted to was the usual public intimidation and bullying. Assuming that the firearms were unloaded, and thus conformed with Utah law, doesn't make it any better. What the hell kind of situation are we in, when it's lawful to engage in this sort of terroristic act? This guy got away with it because he's white. If a dark-complected person had done the same thing, it would have been a lot different.

[global1]

55. Excuse Me - But How Are We Able To Tell The Bad Guys From The Good Guys?.....nt

[Ian David]

78. I think that's pretty much the biggest problem with this.

What if someone saw him and thought, "Oh my god, he's walking into J.C. Penney with an assault weapon because he's mad they're using Ellen as their spokesperson! I'd better drop him NOW!"

[Duer 157099]

58. Here's what I don't understand

OK maybe it is unloaded, but does he carry ammo with him? If so, how long does it take to lock and load? So, he's carrying immense "potential" fire power.

So he's legal until he loads. But it only takes seconds to go from legal unloaded to illegal loaded and deadly lethal.

If he doesn't carry ammo, then what is the point of having the gun?

Ergo, he must be carrying ammo. Which means he is only a few seconds away from being deadly lethal.

Do we need to have cops following these people around every where they go, waiting for them to load?

WTF?

[Ed Suspicious]

63. The internet Rambos tell us all the time how large magazine restriction is pointless as

it takes a fraction of a second to jack a fresh magazine in the gun. It's a standard counter argument for them. The cog dis is strong in these suckers.

[NashuaDW]

59. Open Carry

New Hampshire is also an Open Carry state and we frequently have people exercise that right.

It is kinda funny to see people from neighboring Massachusetts panic and call the police.

BTW, the No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service is a store policy ... not a law.

[Robyn66]

122. I live in NH too

You dont see people waking around with AK47's walking around. THere was one guy in town who had a bunch of guns strapped to him, and when he blew his brains out everyone said they were wondering when it would happen not IF.

It is not normal to terrorize people in public places no matter where you are. ANd you can be smug and put it on the people who dont have guns all you want but most people in the wake of all of the shootings will justifyably be fearful if they see some jerk walk in with an AK 47 strapped on. Anyone who does that is knowingly terrorizing people and is doing it TO terrorize people. And in NH if you saw someone go in to a store with an AK47 strapped on and called 911 the police WOULD come and it wouldnt be "shame on the people for being frighted" it would be "why are you being such an asshole" get out now.

[2pooped2pop]

160. yes, the No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service is a store policy

and No Guns needs to be too. I mean like I said before, if one is too frightened to shop without a gun, then maybe one should stay home anyway.

The sign might need to say NO WIMPS and that should cover the guys who think they need one of these things in a fucking store.

This guy thinks he is helping the pro carry meme, but as you can see, he is progressing the anti carry meme much further than we could do without him.

I guess we should thank the fool

Or better yet, lets protest by thousands of people going to the store with no shoes. They want to kick us out but not him? THen, only one warning before we remove the shirts. Get that wimp ass bastard out of the store or my bra comes off. Only one warning. Oh, they will regret that. lol

[kairos12]

60. Stand Your Ground In Line Law

[Robb]

62. ** UPDATE: Joseph Kelley, age 22. Idiot.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55649700-78/yorgason-carry-kelley-store.html.csp

On Thursday, 22-year-old Joseph Kelley identified himself as the man in Yorgason’s pictures. Kelley described himself as a firm believer in Second Amendment rights and said he decided to bring the guns to the store to demonstrate that they are not dangerous in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

According to Kelley, the rifle was an unloaded AR-15 and the handgun was a loaded Glock 19C. He said he has a concealed-carry permit, is a former member of the military and contacted police dispatch before leaving his home to tell them about his plans. Kelley also said he was told that he was "well within his rights" and that bystanders’ reactions were positive.

"I felt no negative vibes from anyone," Kelley said. "I think it went rather surprisingly well."

Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from "criminals, cartels, drug lords" and other "evil men."

[sinkingfeeling]

68. So why hasn't he been arrested? The first story said the guns had to be unloaded. He

says the Glock was loaded. Is Utah one of the idiot states that makes it illegal for a private person, church, or store to prevent the gun crazies from carrying on their property? We have a state representative that is bound and determined to let anybody on my campus carry a loaded gun. When that passes, I retire.

[Art_from_Ark]

202. I assume, from what you have written,

that you are a professor/lecturer at the U of A? I also assume you know the sad story of Professor John Locke? That incident is reason enough to permanently ban guns on campus.

[sinkingfeeling]

203. Yes. And we now have that idiot Collins pushing to allow guns on the campus and in

the church pews!

[Art_from_Ark]

204. I hadn't heard of Charlie Collins until now

So I looked him up. I hope the rest of the legislature has enough sense to nip this crap in the bud. But now that it's controlled by Republicans...

[marions ghost]

69. "he says he carries weapons to protect children...from criminals"

But where is his badge?

"Jason Chapman, the firearms supervisor for the Utah Department of Public Safety, said a person with a concealed-carry permit may carry a loaded gun publicly. Permit holders are not required to conceal their guns. People without permits are only allowed to carry unloaded weapons in public, Chapman said."

--where I come from, "just cuz it's legal don't make it right"....

[JoePhilly]

74. So he warned the police about his intent because ...

he knows the average person will assume that a guy carrying an AR-15 might be nuts, and call the police.

Clearly he is IRONY deficient.

[Ian David]

77. Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from "criminals, cartels..

.... and ROBOTS!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. "..no negative vibes from anyone.." No shit.

Like someone, who isn't an idiot, is going up to someone who has the brain power of boiled turnips and an assault rifle to prove it, and tell him it's time to grow up.

[marions ghost]

85. They were all really happy to have protection...

I'm sure

"...and YOU people be REAL nice to me, y'hear?....."

[Lars39]

99. Ok, see, this is where I think our strategies

in dealing with this kind of exhibition might not be correct. He received only *positive* feedback while out and about. What if people started heckling him?

Nothing too confrontatonal, just enough murmurings, snickering and sarcasm to make him feel uncomfortable.

[MADem]

108. Jesus--a Superman complex...!

He's "protecting children and other people?"

No--he's scaring the living shit out of them.

If he want to protect people, he needs to get off his ass and join the police department.

What a WEIRDO. A button-pushing, disturbed WEIRDO.

That "good reaction" he got was people smiling weakly and hoping like hell he wouldn't Go Rambo on them. Who, really, is going to "challenge" and give shit to someone packing that much heat?

What a fucking tool. Obtuse, moronic, and self-aggrandizing.

[LAGC]

112. Do you really want someone like that becoming a cop?

[mike dub]

128. he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to become a cop

then he might actually have to work within the line of fire

[MADem]

145. He's probably already applied....and been rejected. That's why he did this stupid thing.

My point wasn't that I wanted him to become a cop; my point was that anyone with altruistic feelings to protect children and other living things (with weapons involved) does so in a societally appropriate way by joining the police force....the old "to protect and serve" paradigm. One doesn't flounce around JC Penny wearing a large weapon like a fashion accessory and convince anyone of anything save "That clown with the gun has ISSUES." At a minimum, he demonstrated his poor judgment for the entire world to see.

[icarusxat]

134. evil men?

Orrin doesn't hang out much at JC Penny
cartels and drug lords? Big Pharma?
This boy (why do they keep calling him a man?) is not a stable human being, and yet he carries...

[Smilo]

142. Delusional

ex military - at the most 3 years wow that's a lot of service time there not.

No negative vibes - yes, because anyone seeing someone with a couple of guns strapped to them is going to go up to them and say negative things.

This man is like a volunteer firefighter who is an arsonist in his spare time.

I've said it before there is no commonsense - whoever passed this absurd law is out in cuckoo land themselves.

[2pooped2pop]

165. someone

on one of these posts said they found his old website where he said he was going to go into the marines but it was 3 years old. (the site)
It would seem, they said, that he may be lying about military service or has been discharged early for some reason.

If the site had not been touched in 3 years and 3 years ago he had not yet joined, then if this is actually his site, he is lying or was kicked out. Even the military doesn't want gun nuts.

[2pooped2pop]

162. He felt no negative vibes.

Then obviously he is an idiot. The original post said the people were concerned.

He needs to get back to mom's basement.

[2pooped2pop]

163. Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from "criminals,

Did you see the posts about the gun appreciation day? 4, maybe more, people were shot by ignorant discharge, I think it's called, at different rally's.

At one they said the attendees ran and hid as soon as the gun went off.

They ran.

Protect us? I don't think so. Obviously they can't keep their guns from going off. We need protection from them.

[LiberalLovinLug]

181. And the police told him meh....you're well within your rights...go ahead

"I'm going to walk into a crowded mall, carrying a loaded Glock, and a military style assualt semi-automatic with amunition clips at the ready.....is that ok?"

Seriously? I just don't get your country. That would simply never happen up here (in Canada) Here there would have been about 10 police cars, and a swat team to greet him when he arrived at the mall.

I'd be terrified, especially if I had kids with me. It IS terrorism. I'd be scared to death if I lived in that district. If this "normal" guy can go out buried in weapons like this, so can a deranged Beck-warped individual who also looks normal and the police would just yawn as he walked by. Yikes.

[Ed Suspicious]

65. The hunter safety classes I attended as a twelve year old taught me not to carry a gun in

such a way that it might point at other people. When this fucking nozzle turns, the business end of that daisy cutter is going to pointed directly at some innocent. What a first class tosser.

[Aerows]

104. And he claimed

to have served in the military. That's the first thing members of the military are taught.

[SouthernDonkey]

190. Exactly!!

...and what if this douchebag had "accidentally" discharged his weapon and killed someone? Would he be charged with murder, which he should for doing something so amazingly stupid?? Nope...probably negligent homicide.
This should be against the law!

[Robb]

75. ** CONTACT info for JC Penney:

https://www.jcpenney.com/dotcom/jsp/feedback/secure/feedback.jsp?pageId=pg100097

Let them know they have time to get in front of this story and condemn this idiot.

Edited: better link.

[sinkingfeeling]

82. Maybe Utah is one of the states that has passed laws where the store nor the

mall can prevent fools with guns. I don't know and asked the question somewhere, but didn't get a reply.

[PADemD]

183. Pennsylvania here

But I sent JC Penney a message anyway.

[marions ghost]

76. After YOU, SIR!

"You go right to the head of the line, yessir...."

"Did you find every all right sir?"

"Thank you for your service to God and JC Penney, SIR!"

"Mighty nice appendage, sir!"


"Yes SIR! Coming right up sir."


"Now you Have a Nice Day, Sir!"

[LAGC]

111. An armed society makes for a polite society?

[lpbk2713]

80. He's looking for trouble and it's just a matter of time before it finds him.

Someone will see him as a challenge, walk up behind him, poke the barrel of a .22 in his ear and rob him clean.
Hopefully no one will be hurt. But I suspect we'll be reading about it in the news before too long.

[rurallib]

81. Maybe I am stupid, But I am out the door in two seconds

If I was working there I would be at the manager's door right now.

[leveymg]

83. And, if another shopper steps up and pulls the thing off him, what's he going to do?

This sets up all sorts of interesting legal questions. None of which should arise in a sane society, BTW.

[watch the sky]

86. just another asshole getting the reaction he wants

can't be good for business, Rambo at JC Penney's <---- NO fan of open carry here.

[Initech]

89. I don't think this is what "well regulated" means...

[williamc1967txlib]

90. God, what an idiot!

Honestly, what was that guy thinking? Or was he just out of his mind? Contrary to what some gun nuts think, many people in public places will not be comfortable with someone armed to the teeth like that dude.

[u4ic]

91. I can't believe the store allowed him to do this

I'm in Canada, so no JC Penney here. If I lived in the US, however, I'd be sending HO a letter stating exactly why I would choose NOT to shop there, and this is it.

[ellisonz]

95. Whackjob.

[samsingh]

98. kick

[cstanleytech]

101. Why didnt the mall ask him to leave? They do have the right to ask people to get off their property

after all for almost any reason.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

102. If we get a bunch of people doing stuff like this

and people start getting used to seeing it, how long before people get "comfortable" with it and ignoring an actual mass murderer until it is too late? What if it starts encouraging more and more people to do the same- in order to feel "safe" with a bunch of other people wandering around with guns and assault rifles? This could have some messy consequences but, hey, we're human and sometimes I guess it takes multiple needless tragedies before we get our heads screwed on right?

[LAGC]

103. The think that's what they're gunning for (pardon the pun)...

Open-carry advocates hope to desensitize the public, so that people quit being afraid of guns.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

106. I'm sure that it is

The problem is that I think that people SHOULD be *afraid* of guns and and even anybody whom owns one should "respect" them enough to recognize the need to be responsible with them as they have the power to snuff out life. In some sense, you could say that when you are carrying around a gun (or any weapon for that matter) you are literally carrying around with you the power of life and death. I don't think that people should be "desensitized" to seeing people anywhere and everywhere toting around guns, assault rifles, etc. I don't view everybody whom owns guns as potential criminals but seeing people openly carry weapons around anywhere and everywhere will make it harder to know when and where there might be an actual potential dangerous person. Just something to think about.............

[LAGC]

109. I don't disagree.

If something really did happen, like another gunman opening fire, the police would be confused as to who the shooter was.

Plus, as mentioned above, open-carrying like that only makes you more of a target. Much smarter to carry concealed if you feel you must.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

114. Right

n/t

[mmonk]

105. I thought it was the Beirut JC Penny.

[MADem]

107. That guy--at a minimum--is an ASSHOLE.

I think that he has problems, too--a need to seek and be the center of attention, even negative attention, a desire to cause a stir for the thrill of upsetting others... and a brutally callous outlook towards his fellow humans.

What a schmuck.

You don't go packing in JC frickin' Penny. You just don't.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

110. Or, really, anywhere else in public IMHO

Take your guns to a shooting range, a park (for hunting), or keep them at home IMHO.

[BuelahWitch]

113. I guess Utah forgot about the mass shooting at Trolley Square Mall

almost 6 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_Square_shooting

[EC]

115. So people learn to accept this type of behavior

and the one that means to use those weapons, just waltzes in and nobody gives any concern because they figure it's another attention freak...asshole.

[Gore1FL]

117. It's fortunate for him another gun wielder didn't see him as a threat and try to take him out.

The people between them are fortunate as well.

[awoke_in_2003]

118. We have always had crazies...

but it seems like they are growing at an exponential rate lately.

[FailureToCommunicate]

119. I guessing these guys wouldn't have gotten too far in the store before trouble...

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(I'm guessing the beret caught the officer's attention...)

[we can do it]

121. I wouldn't call him a man, its a bratty boy with his penis extender on his back.

He does not deserve any attention.

[ErikJ]

123. What idiots. My 1st response would be to turn around and RUN!!

[gulliver]

124. Where's the sweaty guy with the concealed carry pistol when you need him?

"911, how can I help you?"

"Hello, police?"

"Yes, this is 911. Could you speak up, Sir? I can hardy hear you."

"This is Neighborhood Watch Unit Commander Jones. I have a suspect here in the J.C. Penney with an assault rifle."

"Yes, Mr. Jones. I'm the one you spoke with yesterday. Are you sure it isn't a picture of an assault rifle on a T-shirt? Is the man black?"

"Yes, I'm sure. It's a real gun. It's strapped over his shoulder. And he's not black. But it still worries me."

"Ok, Mr. Jones. Whatever you do, don't approach this man."

"Ok. I may ask him some questions."

"No. Don't do that."

"Jones out."

[hughee99]

125. How many were killed? n/t

[FlaGranny]

155. None I guess,

but how many were scared shitless?

[Hubert Flottz]

127. I'm guessing he got one too many old spice gift sets for Christmas

and he took his weapon to JC's because he didn't have a sales slip. You'd think his double bitted axe would have been enough though.

[mike dub]

132. Thanks for the chuckle!

good one, Hubert Flottz!

[Beartracks]

135. What if it had looked like this?

I wonder if Mr. Whitey McYellowshirt would have been suspicious, just like the regular shoppers were of him?

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[kpominville]

136. That idiot will get people killed

His whole point was he wants people to "relax" around people walking around with weapons.
If people do what he wants they will lower their guard so that when another psycho inevitably does go on another rampage, he can kill even more people.

[another_liberal]

138. I guess manhood enlargement . . .

I guess manhood enlargement treatments were not an option?

(sigh)

[Tanelorn]

139. What is the point of carrying an unloaded weapon.

The guns then become an accessory or decoration. Maybe it was a bit of performance art.

[Smilo]

141. So ridiculous

just what is the point of carrying if the gun is empty? "Hey look at me, I have a small dick, but I can carry my large gun to compensate."

And what would happen if he was actually challenged - say someone called the cops and they came up on him and told him to put down his weapon and get down on the ground (may be legal, may be empty), but who in a crowded mall is going to take the chance?

[snort]

146. What a massive asshole.

[triplepoint]

148. A GUN NUT Sphincter Says What?

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[lexw]

153. He just showed us all how rediculously lax the laws are. Thank you.

If I were to walk into a JC Penney's store with my dog, security would be all over me; but the store is okay with a freak walking around strapped with deadly weapons?

[AsahinaKimi]

161. kono baka yaro

Sore wa orokana amerikahito kara de sunappu!!

[harmonicon]

164. If I worked there, I would have kicked his ass out of the store.

private businesses don't have to put up with that shit.

[blackspade]

166. I would have gotten the fuck out of there.

And let everyone around me know why.

"There is some crazy guy in the store with loaded guns and extra ammo!"

No one has any idea if this guy is about to shoot or not. Maybe he is about to rob the place.
There is absolutely no reason to do this unless you are batshit crazy. There is nothing to hunt in a JCP.

[1Greensix]

168. So the next mass murderer just has to call the police first??

This guy told the police he was taking an assault rifle into a mall and no one did anything. Does that then set a precedent? So, the next mass murderer can call the police and say he is taking three unloaded assault rifles, a couple of shotguns and a couple of handguns into a mall and they won't do anything until he has loaded them (a couple of seconds) and opened fire. THEN the police will get to deal with another nut, armed to the teeth, in a mall, and killing innocent people. The NRA will Immediately begin a campaign for more guns in malls, to stop the shooter, they supported, up until he pulled the trigger. It goes on and on with these people. The true gun nut is a racist asshole, hoping to die a hero, while defending friends, family, or self from the Dark Hordes that exist in his imagination. Insanely racist and armed. What could go wrong?

[smirkymonkey]

171. Do men even realize what a turn off guns are to women?

I will never, ever date a gun owner.

[Abbraxus]

173. What about our 4th Amendment rights?

Thousands upon thousands of times every day our 4th amendment right is violated at airports by government agents. Where is the public outcry for this violation?

[lonestarnot]

175. Nutter prollee thinks these types of displays make his penis grow.

[april]

178. If I see that I am leaving the store /So JC Penny, Sears , Nordstorms and ....

[ajk2821]

179. My first two thoughts

1. Well we now know who has the smallest pecker in Utah.

2. Good thing this guy was not in Florida or someone could have shot him first and totally justified it under the stand your ground law. If Skittles and a drink get you shot, what does openly carrying weapons get you?

[iamthebandfanman]

184. How are people supposed to know

who is crazy and who is just exercising their rights?

say you dismiss someone with a gun as the later,
only to find out moments later.. ope.. it was the first

thats my problem with open carry :p

it would have been hard for me not to have been like *cough pussy cough*

[spedtr90]

188. If this is tolerated...

the next shooter can stroll in with his weapon and casually wait for the best moment for the highest body count, or a small number of terrorists could easily take their places and coordinate something horrible.

This is insane.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

191. I concur with all of the replies here stating, in short, "What an asshole!"

And, generally, what part of "Well regulated militia" don't people understand?

[bowens43]

194. This asshole should be in jail and this weapon should be banned.

stupid f*ckers.... what is wrong with gun lovers?

[cherish44]

198. Here's how to troll the assault rifle threads...

If he needs that, then he obviously can't shoot worth a damn. This gun needs shooting lessons more than he needs an assault rifle. I could probably do more damage with a Red Ryder BB gun than these assault weapons "can't aim" wimps could to with their whole arsenal. Me: one bullet, one shot is all I need because I'm an expert marksman...etc

[BearCorn]

199. Self Defense

He must have received death threats. That is self defense.

[bossy22]

200. This guy is an idiot

It's one thing to carry a pistol for self defense, but this is just frightening people for no good reason

[VPStoltz]

201. But a gay couple holding hands is a national scandal! What a messed up bunch we are.