Fuck Lance Armstrong....

[cherokeeprogressive]

and ask for your part of the $500 MILLION dollars he raised for cancer back.

Fuck him, and everyone like him.

[MynameisBlarney]

1. Yeah...

he's pretty much the biggest asshole in the world.
At least in the non-political realm anyway.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Fuck him. As far as I care, Lance Can Just Take His Ball and Go Home.

.....

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. I could say that about Pete Rose, but I can't about Lance Armstrong.

He raised HALF A BILLION DOLLARS to fight cancer. I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the money he raised saved at least ONE life.

I know a President that says if an action can be taken that MIGHT save a single life, then it's worth it.

Yeah, I'm not going to throw Lance Armstrong under the bus when what he did is what every other bike racer dabbles in in their career...

Fuck his seven titles. Fuck his failed relationship with Cheryl Crow.

Honor his FIVE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR fund drive to fight cancer.

[NYC_SKP]

4. I honor his contributions. (nt)

[Whisp]

6. that number may be exaggerated.

I was told here on DU a couple days ago. Sorry, no link.

but there may have been some funny business in that as well. figures. I'd believe it, sure. He's an asshole.

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. An asshole, and a cheater. On that I don't disagree.

Who's claiming that the $ amount that Live Strong has is exaggerated?

[Whisp]

8. I lost the thread and don't know, to tell you the truth

and wouldn't want to appear to just make shit up but I don't have full search feature.

I'll see what I can do tho.

[Bay Boy]

5. Why would I ask for my money back...

...that went to a charity?

[Kurovski]

10. You wouldn't.

i think the OP is saying he did something good, and to let him slide. But I don't know.

[Bay Boy]

12. You sayint it was

sarcasm? It wasn't obvious.

[Bay Boy]

13. Oops! Dupe

dupe

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Take his titles back... I don't have a problem with that.

I hear doping is near endemic in bike racing.

Give them all lie detector tests between stages...

[Kurovski]

15. Cool. & Agreed. (nt)

[Kalidurga]

9. I was watching Chris Matthews (guest host)

He played some of the Oprah interview. Wow, I didn't realize what a total shithead he is. If all he did was dope and some roids or whatever, I can be ok with that. It's so common that it's almost like it's a requirement. The problem was that it was in part because of Armstrongs behavior in pushing it to be common. He really isn't at all an innocent victim.

off topic I don't know the sub hosts name on Chris Matthews, but I wish they would keep him permanent. He does a better job IMO, for once I got to hear the guests of the show talk and educate.

[PM Martin]

11. He ruined the lives of several working people.

Someone lost their bike shop and his former mechanic was unable to find employment, all the result of not playing along with the fraud.
The bum deserves all the bad coming his way.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Five HUNDRED Million dollars to fight cancer. $500,000,000.

Are the person(s) who lost their bike shop and his mechanic still alive?

Are there persons still alive due to the money his charity raised?

[GeorgeGist]

25. You need to do your homework.

[ZombieHorde]

17. He is handsome, but he's not my type.

Really, I couldn't care less if he was doping to win a bicycle race. It's just a bicycle race, it is not like he was cheating at Dungeons & Dragons.

[WillyT]

18. I Just Want Him/It Off My TV... Of The Problems This Country Has... He's Not In The Top 200...

And I really could not care less.

[BlueStreak]

19. How much of that money actually went into cancer research or treatment?

Same question for Komen.

Many of these most famous organizations have loads of overhead and lots of people skimming the money through exorbitant salaries.

[GObamaGO]

20. +1.0x10^50

[BlueStreak]

22. here are some numbers

Last edited Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:04 AM - Edit history (1)

See http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6570

They took in $40M, and used up $30M in "expenses".

And that is considered GOOD as these "charities" go.

I wouldn't give a nickel to any charity that only delivers 25 cents to the cause. I work with a music education foundation that has zero overhead, 100% of contributions go into the cause. I donated to a group that helps Indonesian children, and their overhead is only 8%. I have a friend who is heavily involved in a charity taking orphans off the streets of Brazil, and their overhead is way less than 10%. There are good charities out there. You have to look for them. The big name ones are mostly crooks and con artists.

Everything Armstrong is involved with is tainted.

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On edit, see my post #23 below. The above numbers are not correct, but I still stand by my opinion. The overheads of many of these outfits are way too high. And I have major doubts that the majority of money identified as "program expenses" actually ends up going to cancer research or cancer treatment.

[GObamaGO]

23. I completely agree with you

The whole kerfuffle with Komen really opened my eyes to how corrupt a lot of charities are.

[BlueStreak]

24. In comparison

I was in error about my interpretation of the financial numbers. I was including "program expenses" as overheads. For everything below, I will assume that Livestrong's "program expenses" are 100% towards cancer research and treatment. I bet that is not he case, but I don't know that, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

That means Livestrong had about $8M in admin + fundraising expense for $32M of funds raised, or overhead of 25% (again, assuming that all of the remaining 75% actually goes to cancer research and treatment.)

In comparison
Red cross is about 8% overhead
Save the Children is 9%
Habitat for Humanity Intl is 16%
Nature Conservancy is 19%

Amer. Heart is 22% overhead
MDA (Jerry's Kids) 24%
American Cancer Society is 29%
Amer. Diabetes is 34%
ALS foundation is 39%

[JI7]

27. so in a way they actually hurt in finding a cure/solution to the causes

[BlueStreak]

31. If they siphoned money away from another charity

that would have delivered more of it to the actual cause, then yes.

It is like with Komen. Why give them money if all they are going to do is take a cut out of it and then pass along a small fraction to groups that are actually doing some good with it? And groups like Komen are really good ad hiding overheads under the "program costs". If you look at how much of the Komen money actually went to any real research, it is an almost insignificant number.

http://pinkribbonblues.org/2011/03/komen-by-the-numbers-2010-and-still-no-answers/

Why not give the money directly to groups like Planned Parenthood? Komen adds nothing.

[BlueStreak]

32. Here's an article worth reading

It certainly has a point-of-view to be taken into account.

http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2012/01/lance-armstrong-investigation.html

The key points:

1) Livestrong gave almost nothing to actual research

2) Its "program expenses are really vague, including things like "cancer awareness"

3) They are a heavily lawyered-up organization, which is a big part of that overhead

4) There is a serious question whether this is even a bona fide charity at all. Or was it just a PR operation to promote Lance and help change the subject any time the question of doping came up?

[Swamp Lover]

26. Lance Fuck Armstrong

[jsr]

28. The $500 million for cancer research is a myth

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Jack+Todd+myths+persist+about+Lance+Armstrong/7424086/story.html

Myth: Lance Armstrong has raised $500 million for cancer research.

Fact: According Gifford’s investigative piece, LiveStrong — the foundation Armstrong helped to establish after suffering testicular cancer — donated only $20 million to cancer research between 1998 and 2005. In 2005, LiveStrong began phasing out its research donation, and since 2010 the charity no longer accepts applications for research grants.

Instead, the lion’s share of the funds raised by LiveStrong, according to Gifford, have gone to fuzzier assistance programs, like “survivorship” and “global awareness,” and for the worthy cause of helping victims in the U.S. negotiate the thickets of the medieval American health-care system, where the simple and effective Canadian-style Medicare system is rejected for the greater profit of insurance companies, drug companies, private hospitals and doctors.

What is more troublesome is that there are two parallel organizations here: Livestrong.org, the charity, and the parallel Livestrong.com, a for-profit entity. And the myth that the charity provides funding for cancer research persists, even though LiveStrong’s own website makes it clear the charity is not in the research business.

[Blue_In_AK]

29. Pretty much my opinion.

I never did like the guy.

[Shrike47]

30. I wrote him off as soon as I learned he committed adultery.

That's one of my "issues", I guess. Nauseates me.

[customerserviceguy]

33. May he fade back into the obscurity he had

before the USPS pushed his name for being on some bicycle team. For that matter, I'd be happy to see biking something we only marginally pay attention to during the Summer Olympics, like synchronized swimming is.