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a 6-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who died after she likely shot herself in the face.
a 15-year-old in Anchorage, Alaska who was shot in the leg as guns were fired at her home.
a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, Georgia who was seriously injured, already requiring two surgeries, after shooting himself in his leg while hunting.
a 4-year-old in Richmond, Virginia who unintentionally shot and killed a relative in his home using a gun he found on a table.
a 2-year-old in Savannah, Georgia who unintentionally shot himself with a gun he found in a drawer.
a 17-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who was unintentionally shot in the chest while he and a friend were handling a gun.
a 16-year-old in Kearny, New Jersey who was shot and killed in her home while babysitting her younger brother.
a 15-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot in the shoulder near LaFollete Park.
a 17-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot and killed just outside the Chicago State University gymnasium after a high school basketball game.
an 18-year-old in Watsonville, California who was shot and killed.
a 16-year-old in St. Louis County, Missouri who was shot in the leg after leaving a high school basketball game.
a 15-year-old in Columbus, Ohio who was shot and killed during an after-school fight.
a 17-year-old in Baltimore, Maryland who was shot and killed.
a 15-year-old in Wilmington, Delaware who was shot in the leg.
a 12-year-old in Hazard, Kentucky who was shot and killed in a parking lot at Hazard Community and Technical College, along with her father and 20-year-old cousin.
a 15-year-old in Yakima, Washington who is in critical condition after he was shot in the head. A 17-year-old companion was shot in the back.
a 16-year-old in Lexington County, South Carolina who was shot in the back while sitting in a pickup truck.
two young children in Kansas City, Missouri who were shot as gunfire from the street entered their house.
a 14-year-old in Las Vegas, Nevada who was shot and killed outside a party at an apartment complex.
Read More: http://pediatrics.about.com/b/2013/01/20/sunday-shooting-review-2.htm
... See you next week!!
progressoid
(49,969 posts)Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN
Associated Press
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - A 15-year-old boy remained in custody Sunday night as detectives tried to piece together what led to the shooting of his parents and three of their children who were found dead in a New Mexico home.
The teenager was arrested on murder and other charges in connection with the shootings, which happened Saturday night at the home in a rural area southwest of downtown Albuquerque, the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department said.
Authorities identified the victims late Sunday as Greg Griego, 51, his wife Sara Griego, 40, and three of their children: a 9-year-old boy, Zephania Griego, and daughters Jael Griego, 5, and Angelina Griego, 2. The suspect was identified as Nehemiah Griego.
... more at link above
Gun nuttery sucks
yup
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)A disproportionate number of them are minority children.
Mostly they are shot while in their neighborhoods often while in their homes.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)assault weapons
Robb
(39,665 posts)Until you get that, you're going to stay in the cold on this issue.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Because no one else will.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Why?
So the obsessed can possess a beloved weapon of mass destruction. Anything that fires more than a few rounds is a weapon of mass destruction.
Why? Why must these children be sacrificed?
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)Or, just maybe, God is telling us in His own way.. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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really can't say what I feel on this site about America and it's violent, hypocritical culture without offending 'alerters-hypocrites' who have no clue. But what I will say about this post is what can be expected from a nation that glorified the gun in so many westerns on TV and big screen? John Wayne, you remember him right. 'She wore a yellow ribbon' ect ad infinitum. Guns and violence glorified by Bogart, Cagney, Pacino to name just a few. We will never get this mentality out of our culture as long as the gun is glorified in popular media as the final judge, jury and executioner. Duh. It's the culture and 300million plus weapons in general societal citizenry hands. I've been saddened by news like this post, but every since my youth, never surprised or even outraged. Guns, grew up around them, were always accepted as part of life by me.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?
Or maybe they were already excluded from this list?
Gore1FL
(21,126 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)
Per DOJ. So it's a good question, but the answer is likely a surprise.
Edited to add link: http://www.ojp.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2011/BJS_PR-111611.pdf
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Some on this board have suggest that a majority of gun deaths in this country are gang-related. Ignoring the fact that the majority of gun deaths are suicides, clearly blaming the black people (and let's face it, this is a racist dog whistle) isn't going to solve anything.
Robb
(39,665 posts)"Laws don't stop criminals," etc.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)What needs to be repeated often is that it is difficult to measure the impact gang violence has on violence in America, and much more needs to be done in this area to understand the problem and come up with reasonable solutions.
What if gang violence spirals out of control across the country? What if it already has in many urban and suburban areas? Do you think there will be more of a need to feel the urge to "protect yourself and your home" with an arsenal of your own?
If you don't, I'm sure there are many that will. I for one, am undecided on how to best care for myself and my family if such violence were to permeate across the country.
Number23
(24,544 posts)90% of gun deaths have absolutely nothing to do with gangs and yet, you are contorting yourself with this desperate fear/concern of spiraling gang violence.
Why do you think gang violence is more important/pressing than any other sort?
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)And fueling gun purchases.
My place was broken into three times in one year; and a man was found outside my apartment with a hole in his head, car still running. So maybe this is a bit more real to me.
Police told me there were 60 break-ins in the last few days across the city. Then my sons friend had their door smashed in and everything taken..
It's hitting the suburbs more. Crime is spiraling out of control because of gang related criminal enterprise.
So yeah. What are people going to do when faced with such crime? Arm themselves, naturally.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I am astonished that you seem to leap to the conclusion that your home being broken into automatically = gang violence. It is much more probable that you have drug addicts in your neighborhood than gang-bangers and they are stealing things to keep the (insert drug of choice) flowing.
All crime does not automatically equate to gang violence. As Robb has tried to educate you repeatedly in this thread, gang violence represents a tiny fraction of gun deaths. There are more people who die from guns during incidences of domestic violence than gangs, even with gang violence "on the rise" as you are stating. Which I seriously doubt.
But then, that may dilute your obvious fantasy of "busting a cap" in a banger's ass.
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Number23
(24,544 posts)Thanks for playing. You lose. And with this post, you threw your ball petulantly into the stands and stalked off the field.
At least you finally stopped wasting everyone's time, especially your own. You fool no one.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Yawn.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But nothing you've said has been clever. Revealing? Yes. Clever? Not in the slightest.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Yawn.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Well, actually judging by your other incoherent, dog-whistling posts, maybe they are a bit...
Starting as close to the ground as you were, you didn't have too far down to jump to the bottom.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)It called my attention to posts 75 and 76.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Response to Number23 (Reply #82)
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2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #87)
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Number23
(24,544 posts)And a bucketful of others so mindless and blatant I'm sure the SPLC will be along any second now to investigate.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)If you don't understand the issue, please do us the favor of shutting the fuck up....
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Gang-Related-Offenses
As the statistics show, only about a third of municipalities reported an increase in recent gang-related activity. Crime is absolutely and in no way "spiraling out of countrol" so please turn off Faux News and learn the actual facts.
Violent crime is near 40-year lows.
Robb
(39,665 posts)No, sir. Not that one.
You are the one blowing that whistle.
Robb
(39,665 posts)You have no credibility in this debate. Take care!
Robb
(39,665 posts)Response to Robb (Reply #72)
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Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)You're the one making utterly and completely unsubstantiated claims. You're being called on it -- don't try blaming the person who points it out.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)TxRider
(2,183 posts)It is my understanding according to FBI statistics that the largest demographic for murders is young black males killing young black males, mainly inner city.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-offense-data
In my view this is mainly an artifact of the war on drugs and it's disproportionate affect on inner city communities.
It has driven a wedge between law enforcement and the community, it has encouraged lawlessness, and to be frank with a multi billion dollar industry in just pot alone, and no recourse for those in that black market to resolve disputes using police and courts, violence and murder have become the method of resolution. Just it did in minority communities during alcohol prohibition, which spawned the original assault weapons ban back in 1934 known as the national firearms act. Before that law anyone actually could just buy a machine gun as easily as from the sears catalog.
Simply put race is a side issue. If you create through law a black market worth billions of dollars which millions will participate in, and you leave no other way to resolve disputes legally for those people with so much cash at stake, you should expect nothing less than rampant killing as they settle disputes themselves with violence. It may seem like a racial dog whistle to you, to me it's simply that that community is being more affected by our insane drug war policies.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)don't they count?
MightyMopar
(735 posts)"Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?" Yes it would be wrong.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Addressing gang violence may be part of the solution. I'd like to see an executive order addressing that problem. Gangs nearly rule the city of Providence, RI.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Not to downplay those deaths, but why are you focused on them in particular?
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Because I think addressing gang violence is going to have a lot more impact than making fun of fools at gun shows.
Why are there fools at gun shows buying guns that result in accidental deaths? Many are fearful of criminals, many of whom gain notariety through well publicized incidents of gang violence.
Any statistic regarding measurement of gang violence should be scrutinized if it doesn't first issue a bold disclaimer regarding the difficulty in measuring that statistic.
*Because of the many issues surrounding the maintenance and collection of gang-crime data, caution is urged when interpreting the results presented below. For more information regarding this issue, see: www.nationalgangcenter.gov/About/FAQ#q5.
The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.
The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Got it.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Read about the issues. Perhaps you can do more than saying "but it's only 6%!". That is a false statistic without a disclaimer. Ask the DOJ.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Obama's DOJ is cooking the books to understate the number of gangbangers shooting one another!
Do you know how each state defines and identifies gang related homicide, and what complexities this entails?
If you don't, then I suggest you educate yourself, rather than cling to an unsubstantiated statistic that weakly serves your agenda, working only to convince those also without any education or capacity for free thought that gang / organized crime is not completely out of control in many parts of this country.
Statistics are complicated, my friend.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Won't someone think of the poor guns?
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010. During the same time period, the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,000 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 12 percent of all homicides annually.
Robb
(39,665 posts)That certainly explains your overarching concern with that instead of the other 88% of murders!
Here I thought it a distracting dog whistle! I even had you pegged as a racist gun nut!
Imagine my relief. And thanks for setting us all straight!
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)The number of gang-related homicides increased approximately 10 percent from 2008 to 2009 and then again from 2009 to 2010 in cities with populations over 100,000.
In a typical year in the so-called gang capitals of Chicago and Los Angeles, around half of all homicides are gang-related; these two cities alone accounted for one in five gang homicides recorded in the NYGS from 2006 to 2010.
You seem to think this isn't incredibly alarming?
The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010.
That's about 500 per year.
Would you like to know how many Americans were killed by guns in 2010? 31,672.
So here's your math problem: 500 is what percent of 31,000?
What's alarming is the distance the bubbly-sack-of-cats-insane gun lobby is willing to go in an attempt to confound the issue. And yeah, if you're doing this, I'm talking about you, too.
So, please, continue digging. You're quite good at it.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Duh. That's 2000 per year, increasing at a rate of 10% per year, hitting the cities hard, and stoking fears that ultimately result in more guns.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I'll help with the big words:
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)English, my friend.
Robb
(39,665 posts)2000 annually, you're right.
Let's try again:
2000 is what percent of 31,000?
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)I happen to think gang/organized crime is a major source of violence and gun violence in America, both directly and indirectly.
It is the indirect affect I am most interested in, and this is probably nearly impossible to measure.
I see first hand a major increase of criminal activity in my own city, and I know it is repeated across the country.
I believe this is fueling gun purchases and non-gang related gun deaths because of negligence.
Reporting gang related homicides is no perfect science; the Feds rely on local data that is often inaccurate. How do you identify "gang related"?
That is my position. If you want to somehow convince me my concern is not appropriate, you are going to have to try again.
Robb
(39,665 posts)No question.
But they're a drop in the bucket in the big picture of gun violence -- unless every reporting agency in the country is wrong by several orders of magnitude.
Your argument is like saying busses cause traffic jams, because I'm always behind one when I'm stopped on the freeway.
And since I can't believe you believe something that absurd, I don't think it's at all inappropriate to question your sincerity.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Who the hell is out and about killing with guns then?
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)That's a federal agency, so state-based definitions are not relevant.
You now you can tell when someone is an ignorant dumbass? When they talk about issues they don't understand and then tell others to "educate themselves" on their subject of their own ignorance.
You're posts on this thread have been 100% fact-free and substance free.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Chico Man
(3,001 posts)I made no mention of concern.
Children die as a result of gang violence, even very young children.
Bullets fired do not discriminate.
MightyMopar
(735 posts)Maybe your question was innocent but it sure seems to come up a lot by the RBKA extremist crowd when statistics of gun violence are brought up.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)The root of the problem is gang and organized crime, fueled by a drugs and guns black market?
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)You've got quite the learning curve, my friend.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm
In the cities under surveillance, there were 2,933 homicides, with 856 of them being gang related. That would make just under 30% of homicides gang-related. What's more, the MAJORITY of firearm deaths are suicides. So gang-related homicides are likely only about 10% (or less) of all handgun deaths.
The drug war and gang-related violence is a contributing factor, but it's nowhere close to being a root cause.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)or why these children were shot. The tragedy was that they were shot.
Your right, you showed no concern, sorry I thanked you for it.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Or participate in well reasoned debate. Well reasoned debate, IMHO, is going to have far more impact than just pointing fingers and running the other way.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)Young people in inner city gangs didn't always have such easy access to guns. Anyone who was around in the fifties probably remembers when switchblades were considered fairly bad-assed weapons among the juvenile delinquent crowd. So, I think the fact that inner city gangs now have all the guns they want constitutes part of the gun problem as it exists today.
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)of a week's worth of gun incidents from the entire country. Very sobering.
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)This should be on every news cast, every weekend, everywhere in this country. People need to be hit over the head with these stats day after day. Annual gun deaths are about to surpass drunk driving deaths, but I think most Americans still only view this in the abstract. They need to see the reality, the toll in human lives. Not only do I think this sort of report should be on the news every weekend, pictures of the people killed should be included.
Thank you for pushing forward with what must have been some depressing research.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Wake up America. We're killing our kids.
Chalco
(1,307 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I remember Walter Cronkite giving the weekly casualty figures from Vietnam every Friday. That, just as much as anything else, helped the scales fall from a lot of eyes. Same can be done here. I think a lot of people would be stunned to know just how many are killed and wounded by gun violence in this country every week.
But I can hear it now: The liberal medial is further politicizing the issue of gun control, and interfering where it has no business.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Thank you.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)alfredo
(60,071 posts)A 14-year-old boy was taken to University of Kentucky Chandler Hospital after being shot in the stomach in Laurel County Saturday morning.
The boy was visiting a friend at a home on Ky. 552 eight miles southwest of London when the shooting occurred, according to a news release from the Laurel County sheriff's office.
The sheriff's office said a 15-year-old boy at the home told them he was handling his grandfather's .38-caliber revolver in the kitchen when he tripped and the gun went off, hitting the 14-year-old.
Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/19/2482601/boy-14-was-taken-to-uk-hospital.html#storylink=cpy
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)Imagine what the full list would look like.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Weekend gun violence in Chicago left two men dead and at least 13 other people wounded, including a man shot during a party in the Loops historic Palmer House Hilton Hotel.
The man, 25, was attending a party on the 22nd floor of the hotel at 17 E. Monroe St. when a male shooter pulled out a gun and opened fire, police News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro said.
He was shot in the right leg, and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in good condition, Alfaro said. No one is in custody early Sunday, and police had no word on what sparked the shooting.
A representative for the hotel could not be reached for comment.
The weekends first fatal shooting happened about 9:15 p.m. Friday in the West Side Austin neighborhood. A 21-year-old man was shot several times through a glass window while he was inside a Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits restaurant in the 5500 block of West North Avenue, police said....
Read More: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/19/2-dead-6-wounded-in-shootings-since-friday/
Blanks
(4,835 posts)According to the cartoon on the other page after the 19 incidents; (statistically) that wasn't quite enough mayhem for even one single incident where someone successfully averted a home invader (1 in 22).
I can't help but wonder how many of the surviving family members wished they'd risked being unprotected from home invaders instead of suffering the consequences of having a gun laying around.
Rain Mcloud
(812 posts)which would be mercifully short,featuring news stories or stats about vigilante's saving lives with guns.
I mean fair is fair,they want to take away our police and give any idiot a gun that wants one.
If guns in the hands of untrained and unregulated militias save lives,prove that theory with facts.
Go ahead,make my day!
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Only a good baby with a gun can stop a bad baby with a gun.....
- K&R
otohara
(24,135 posts)This is just one week of only kids/teens.
It's shocking and should be unacceptable, except if you're a reckless gun owner.
If there's so many responsible gun owners, why do so many children get shot?
A daily data base would be a start reminder of the un-Godly amount of American's being killed or maimed
at the hand of a gun.
Maineman
(854 posts)Anyone with a little common sense knows that something significant needs to be done about guns. Gun lovers know they are on the wrong side of common sense, wisdom, and safety, so they try to overcome their disadvanage by making lots of noise. The rest of us cannot even imagine that calling for gun regulation and control is a controversial issue. We cannot imagine that it is necessary to contact our politicians about the need for gun control, so the politicians hear mostly from the gun lovers.
The common sense community needs to give politicians hell, repeatedly.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)...makes it less credible to those who are not already inclined to believe it.
Robb
(39,665 posts)intheflow
(28,461 posts)http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/clevealnd-police-are-investigating-the-death-of-a-6-year-old-girl-after-she-was-shot-in-the-face
East Anchorage Drive-By Shooting Sends Teenage Girl to Hospital
http://www.ktuu.com/news/crime/east-anchorage-drive-by-shooting-sends-teenage-girl-to-hospital-011913,0,4531781.story
I could not find a link to this story about a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, GA who shot himself while hunting. However, Bainbridge, GA did experience a drive-by shooting this week which resulted in a 23-year-old being hit, so it's not like gun injury was unknown in this town last week:
Drive-by Shooting in Bainbridge, Georgia
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/8536002.html
Richmond man shot by 4-year-old dies
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/richmond-man-shot-by--year-old-dies/article_f83ed5ed-1b79-5b73-9b12-e22e210c13c4.html
Police investigating shooting of 2-year-old boy
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-01-14/police-investigating-shooting-2-year-old-boy
I don't have time to google all the incidents listed, but it's off to a good start for internet reporting accuracy when four of the first five stories listed pop up from reputable, local news sites in a simple google search. Feel free to search for the rest yourself and report back to us. I'd like to see the links myself.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)there have been well over 1000 gun deaths across the US since Newtown.
PM Martin
(2,660 posts)samsingh
(17,594 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And monthly increases in gun sales and toting permits.
Good work.
indepat
(20,899 posts)their ludicrous interpretations of the Second Amendment. Junior had said the Constitution is just a piece of paper and proceeded to trample a goodly portion of Bill of Rights although holding the Second Amendment sacred and sacrosanct. Oh the diabolically twisted and treacherous dichotomy.
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom