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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:06 AM Jan 2013

Sunday Shooting Review

Here is just some of the gun violence from the past week that you should be aware of and which will hopefully motivate you to join the American Academy of Pediatrics and others who are advocating for ways to keep our kids safe:

• a 6-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who died after she likely shot herself in the face.

• a 15-year-old in Anchorage, Alaska who was shot in the leg as guns were fired at her home.

• a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, Georgia who was seriously injured, already requiring two surgeries, after shooting himself in his leg while hunting.

• a 4-year-old in Richmond, Virginia who unintentionally shot and killed a relative in his home using a gun he found on a table.

• a 2-year-old in Savannah, Georgia who unintentionally shot himself with a gun he found in a drawer.

• a 17-year-old in Cleveland, Ohio who was unintentionally shot in the chest while he and a friend were handling a gun.

• a 16-year-old in Kearny, New Jersey who was shot and killed in her home while babysitting her younger brother.

• a 15-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot in the shoulder near LaFollete Park.

• a 17-year-old in Chicago, Illinois who was shot and killed just outside the Chicago State University gymnasium after a high school basketball game.

• an 18-year-old in Watsonville, California who was shot and killed.

• a 16-year-old in St. Louis County, Missouri who was shot in the leg after leaving a high school basketball game.

• a 15-year-old in Columbus, Ohio who was shot and killed during an after-school fight.

• a 17-year-old in Baltimore, Maryland who was shot and killed.

• a 15-year-old in Wilmington, Delaware who was shot in the leg.

• a 12-year-old in Hazard, Kentucky who was shot and killed in a parking lot at Hazard Community and Technical College, along with her father and 20-year-old cousin.

• a 15-year-old in Yakima, Washington who is in critical condition after he was shot in the head. A 17-year-old companion was shot in the back.

• a 16-year-old in Lexington County, South Carolina who was shot in the back while sitting in a pickup truck.

• two young children in Kansas City, Missouri who were shot as gunfire from the street entered their house.

• a 14-year-old in Las Vegas, Nevada who was shot and killed outside a party at an apartment complex.


Read More: http://pediatrics.about.com/b/2013/01/20/sunday-shooting-review-2.htm



... See you next week!!
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Sunday Shooting Review (Original Post) Robb Jan 2013 OP
Rec. progressoid Jan 2013 #1
Preacher, wife and 3 children dead, many guns including assult weapons in home Care Acutely Jan 2013 #96
K&R jpak Jan 2013 #2
Children and teens make up roughly half of all gun deaths every year HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #3
Now tell us how many this happened to because of hammers..... Bandit Jan 2013 #4
and how many were Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #5
Every. Damn. One. Robb Jan 2013 #6
^^^ Exactly ^^^ etherealtruth Jan 2013 #9
Why don't you go look in a mirror and say thank you for your compassion. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #22
^+1^ snort Jan 2013 #32
More young lives lost before we could learn what the could contribute. liberal N proud Jan 2013 #7
Ok, now let's all go to church and "pray" about it... mountain grammy Jan 2013 #8
I heaven05 Jan 2013 #10
Question Chico Man Jan 2013 #11
The answers you seek are at the link. n/t Gore1FL Jan 2013 #13
6% of all homicides are gang-related. Robb Jan 2013 #14
This needs to be repeated...often Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #39
And it feeds into the "criminals are the entire problem" bit. Robb Jan 2013 #41
No Chico Man Jan 2013 #46
Why is gang violence of such a pressing concern to you? Unless of course, you are in a gang Number23 Jan 2013 #61
It is on the rise Chico Man Jan 2013 #63
Maybe your neighbors hate you and are trying to get you to move by breaking into your home Number23 Jan 2013 #73
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #75
Yes, but at least I can read those volumes. Which is far more than I can say for you. Number23 Jan 2013 #78
Almost clever Chico Man Jan 2013 #83
Coming from you, that "almost" meant something. Number23 Jan 2013 #84
Almost clever Chico Man Jan 2013 #86
Repeating unclever, tired posts is not helping you in this thread Number23 Jan 2013 #89
Thank you for alerting on post 73. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #80
El Chico does't play this game very well, does he? Number23 Jan 2013 #82
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #85
Please elaborate. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #87
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #88
So sayeth the "man" with two hidden posts in one thread Number23 Jan 2013 #90
Make that three. Uh, I mean FOUR. Poof! Transparency! 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #91
"Our four ... no ... I'll come in again" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #102
No, it's not... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #93
Certainly not because it's a racist dog whistle. Robb Jan 2013 #64
Funny Chico Man Jan 2013 #66
And you sound like you're in no condition to safely own a firearm. Robb Jan 2013 #68
Ok Chico Man Jan 2013 #70
Don't shoot anyone. Robb Jan 2013 #72
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #76
Complete and utter bullshit... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #94
I wonder is this is a record. I've never seen so many hidden by one person on one thread Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #99
I disagree TxRider Jan 2013 #92
why? barbtries Jan 2013 #17
Yeah, those inner city kids don't count so much. 3/5thsmaybe? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #19
Should we ignore gang violence? Chico Man Jan 2013 #34
Yet, as I pointed out, gangs represent a tiny fraction of gun deaths nationwide. Robb Jan 2013 #38
I'm focused on them Chico Man Jan 2013 #44
Because you don't believe the DOJ. Robb Jan 2013 #45
They collect statewide data Chico Man Jan 2013 #47
You want the long form data, right. Robb Jan 2013 #49
No Chico Man Jan 2013 #54
Math is hard! Robb Jan 2013 #55
So is reading apparently Chico Man Jan 2013 #56
Wow! So as much as 12%! Robb Jan 2013 #58
Let's dig a bit deeper, shall we? Chico Man Jan 2013 #59
Dude. Robb Jan 2013 #62
Annually, per year Chico Man Jan 2013 #65
Duh, indeed. Read it again. Robb Jan 2013 #67
Yes, 2000 ANNUALLY Chico Man Jan 2013 #69
Ah, I see it now. Robb Jan 2013 #71
I'm interested in finding solutions Chico Man Jan 2013 #74
Gangs are a major source of violence. Robb Jan 2013 #77
Soo then.... Chico Man Jan 2013 #79
It's compiled by the Bureau of Justice Statistics Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #95
I'm pretty sure the 2 and 4 year olds were part of rival gangs. Thanks for your concern. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #24
I asked a question Chico Man Jan 2013 #33
A question that seems to be a constant NRA talking point to minimize the lives of urban victims MightyMopar Jan 2013 #35
Maybe because.. Chico Man Jan 2013 #57
No, it's not Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #101
I was snarkily pointing out that I don't think it matters how, who, where, A Simple Game Jan 2013 #36
This can be a place to whine Chico Man Jan 2013 #42
Thing about that is... union_maid Jan 2013 #25
Amwericans just don't see compilations 4_TN_TITANS Jan 2013 #12
Truly scary. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2013 #15
Nothing to add. Just a K and an R and a ... riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #16
Thank you for doing this. nt Chalco Jan 2013 #18
I think national news shows should do this every Friday. AngryOldDem Jan 2013 #20
Please keep posting these. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #21
Stop the madness! lonestarnot Jan 2013 #23
One more alfredo Jan 2013 #26
That doesn't even include adults Courtesy Flush Jan 2013 #27
Chicago does its own version of this on weekends. Robb Jan 2013 #28
After of all of these shootings... Blanks Jan 2013 #29
We need this as a weekly edition followed by another segment Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #30
NRA Public Service Message: DeSwiss Jan 2013 #31
Weekly Counts of Dead & Injured Database otohara Jan 2013 #37
Give politicians hell. Gun freaks do. Maineman Jan 2013 #40
No links to any of the incidents thesquanderer Jan 2013 #43
Anyone so far gone to think these are made up won't be helped by links. Robb Jan 2013 #50
Here are links to four of the first five stories: intheflow Jan 2013 #98
k/r rec. sasha031 Jan 2013 #48
If only the six year old girl had a gun to protect herself! PM Martin Jan 2013 #51
thanks for putting this together samsingh Jan 2013 #52
This is great. Until Sandy Hook, Gungeoneers had almost daily celebration of bad guys getting shot Hoyt Jan 2013 #53
These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for indepat Jan 2013 #60
K & R. Fuck the NRA and their supporters - & THANK YOU for doing this. Care Acutely Jan 2013 #81
America Is In Denial - Gun Owners And Gun Enthusiasts Are In Denial cantbeserious Jan 2013 #97
kick WashingtonConsensus Jan 2013 #100

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
96. Preacher, wife and 3 children dead, many guns including assult weapons in home
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 05:03 AM
Jan 2013
http://www.nebraska.tv/story/20634561/officials-nm-teen-gunman-kills-5-inside-home

By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN
Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - A 15-year-old boy remained in custody Sunday night as detectives tried to piece together what led to the shooting of his parents and three of their children who were found dead in a New Mexico home.

The teenager was arrested on murder and other charges in connection with the shootings, which happened Saturday night at the home in a rural area southwest of downtown Albuquerque, the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department said.

Authorities identified the victims late Sunday as Greg Griego, 51, his wife Sara Griego, 40, and three of their children: a 9-year-old boy, Zephania Griego, and daughters Jael Griego, 5, and Angelina Griego, 2. The suspect was identified as Nehemiah Griego.

... more at link above

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. Children and teens make up roughly half of all gun deaths every year
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jan 2013

A disproportionate number of them are minority children.

Mostly they are shot while in their neighborhoods often while in their homes.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
7. More young lives lost before we could learn what the could contribute.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jan 2013

Why?

So the obsessed can possess a beloved weapon of mass destruction. Anything that fires more than a few rounds is a weapon of mass destruction.

Why? Why must these children be sacrificed?

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
8. Ok, now let's all go to church and "pray" about it...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jan 2013

Or, just maybe, God is telling us in His own way.. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. I
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)

really can't say what I feel on this site about America and it's violent, hypocritical culture without offending 'alerters-hypocrites' who have no clue. But what I will say about this post is what can be expected from a nation that glorified the gun in so many westerns on TV and big screen? John Wayne, you remember him right. 'She wore a yellow ribbon' ect ad infinitum. Guns and violence glorified by Bogart, Cagney, Pacino to name just a few. We will never get this mentality out of our culture as long as the gun is glorified in popular media as the final judge, jury and executioner. Duh. It's the culture and 300million plus weapons in general societal citizenry hands. I've been saddened by news like this post, but every since my youth, never surprised or even outraged. Guns, grew up around them, were always accepted as part of life by me.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
11. Question
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jan 2013

Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?

Or maybe they were already excluded from this list?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
14. 6% of all homicides are gang-related.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:26 AM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Per DOJ. So it's a good question, but the answer is likely a surprise.

Edited to add link: http://www.ojp.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/2011/BJS_PR-111611.pdf

The number of homicides known to involve adult or juvenile gang violence has quadrupled since 1980, increasing from about 220 homicides in 1980 to 960 homicides in 2008. From 1980 to 2008, gang violence increased from one percent to six percent of all homicides.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
39. This needs to be repeated...often
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jan 2013

Some on this board have suggest that a majority of gun deaths in this country are gang-related. Ignoring the fact that the majority of gun deaths are suicides, clearly blaming the black people (and let's face it, this is a racist dog whistle) isn't going to solve anything.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
46. No
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jan 2013

What needs to be repeated often is that it is difficult to measure the impact gang violence has on violence in America, and much more needs to be done in this area to understand the problem and come up with reasonable solutions.

What if gang violence spirals out of control across the country? What if it already has in many urban and suburban areas? Do you think there will be more of a need to feel the urge to "protect yourself and your home" with an arsenal of your own?

If you don't, I'm sure there are many that will. I for one, am undecided on how to best care for myself and my family if such violence were to permeate across the country.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
61. Why is gang violence of such a pressing concern to you? Unless of course, you are in a gang
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:24 PM
Jan 2013

90% of gun deaths have absolutely nothing to do with gangs and yet, you are contorting yourself with this desperate fear/concern of spiraling gang violence.

Why do you think gang violence is more important/pressing than any other sort?

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
63. It is on the rise
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

And fueling gun purchases.

My place was broken into three times in one year; and a man was found outside my apartment with a hole in his head, car still running. So maybe this is a bit more real to me.

Police told me there were 60 break-ins in the last few days across the city. Then my sons friend had their door smashed in and everything taken..

It's hitting the suburbs more. Crime is spiraling out of control because of gang related criminal enterprise.

So yeah. What are people going to do when faced with such crime? Arm themselves, naturally.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
73. Maybe your neighbors hate you and are trying to get you to move by breaking into your home
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:43 PM
Jan 2013

I am astonished that you seem to leap to the conclusion that your home being broken into automatically = gang violence. It is much more probable that you have drug addicts in your neighborhood than gang-bangers and they are stealing things to keep the (insert drug of choice) flowing.

All crime does not automatically equate to gang violence. As Robb has tried to educate you repeatedly in this thread, gang violence represents a tiny fraction of gun deaths. There are more people who die from guns during incidences of domestic violence than gangs, even with gang violence "on the rise" as you are stating. Which I seriously doubt.

But then, that may dilute your obvious fantasy of "busting a cap" in a banger's ass.

Response to Number23 (Reply #73)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
78. Yes, but at least I can read those volumes. Which is far more than I can say for you.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jan 2013

Thanks for playing. You lose. And with this post, you threw your ball petulantly into the stands and stalked off the field.

At least you finally stopped wasting everyone's time, especially your own. You fool no one.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
84. Coming from you, that "almost" meant something.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:58 PM
Jan 2013

But nothing you've said has been clever. Revealing? Yes. Clever? Not in the slightest.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
89. Repeating unclever, tired posts is not helping you in this thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jan 2013

Well, actually judging by your other incoherent, dog-whistling posts, maybe they are a bit...

Starting as close to the ground as you were, you didn't have too far down to jump to the bottom.

Response to Number23 (Reply #82)

Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #87)

Number23

(24,544 posts)
90. So sayeth the "man" with two hidden posts in one thread
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jan 2013

And a bucketful of others so mindless and blatant I'm sure the SPLC will be along any second now to investigate.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
93. No, it's not...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:51 AM
Jan 2013

If you don't understand the issue, please do us the favor of shutting the fuck up....

http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Gang-Related-Offenses

As the statistics show, only about a third of municipalities reported an increase in recent gang-related activity. Crime is absolutely and in no way "spiraling out of countrol" so please turn off Faux News and learn the actual facts.

Violent crime is near 40-year lows.

Response to Robb (Reply #72)

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
94. Complete and utter bullshit...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jan 2013

You're the one making utterly and completely unsubstantiated claims. You're being called on it -- don't try blaming the person who points it out.

TxRider

(2,183 posts)
92. I disagree
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jan 2013

It is my understanding according to FBI statistics that the largest demographic for murders is young black males killing young black males, mainly inner city.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-offense-data

In my view this is mainly an artifact of the war on drugs and it's disproportionate affect on inner city communities.

It has driven a wedge between law enforcement and the community, it has encouraged lawlessness, and to be frank with a multi billion dollar industry in just pot alone, and no recourse for those in that black market to resolve disputes using police and courts, violence and murder have become the method of resolution. Just it did in minority communities during alcohol prohibition, which spawned the original assault weapons ban back in 1934 known as the national firearms act. Before that law anyone actually could just buy a machine gun as easily as from the sears catalog.

Simply put race is a side issue. If you create through law a black market worth billions of dollars which millions will participate in, and you leave no other way to resolve disputes legally for those people with so much cash at stake, you should expect nothing less than rampant killing as they settle disputes themselves with violence. It may seem like a racial dog whistle to you, to me it's simply that that community is being more affected by our insane drug war policies.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
19. Yeah, those inner city kids don't count so much. 3/5thsmaybe?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jan 2013

"Would it be wrong to point out how many of these were part of inner city/ gang violence activities?" Yes it would be wrong.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
34. Should we ignore gang violence?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:39 PM
Jan 2013

Addressing gang violence may be part of the solution. I'd like to see an executive order addressing that problem. Gangs nearly rule the city of Providence, RI.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
38. Yet, as I pointed out, gangs represent a tiny fraction of gun deaths nationwide.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:50 PM
Jan 2013

Not to downplay those deaths, but why are you focused on them in particular?

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
44. I'm focused on them
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jan 2013

Because I think addressing gang violence is going to have a lot more impact than making fun of fools at gun shows.

Why are there fools at gun shows buying guns that result in accidental deaths? Many are fearful of criminals, many of whom gain notariety through well publicized incidents of gang violence.

Any statistic regarding measurement of gang violence should be scrutinized if it doesn't first issue a bold disclaimer regarding the difficulty in measuring that statistic.

*Because of the many issues surrounding the maintenance and collection of gang-crime data, caution is urged when interpreting the results presented below. For more information regarding this issue, see: www.nationalgangcenter.gov/About/FAQ#q5.

The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.

The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2006 to 2010 is displayed by area type and population size.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
47. They collect statewide data
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jan 2013

Read about the issues. Perhaps you can do more than saying "but it's only 6%!". That is a false statistic without a disclaimer. Ask the DOJ.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
49. You want the long form data, right.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jan 2013

Obama's DOJ is cooking the books to understate the number of gangbangers shooting one another!

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
54. No
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jan 2013

Do you know how each state defines and identifies gang related homicide, and what complexities this entails?

If you don't, then I suggest you educate yourself, rather than cling to an unsubstantiated statistic that weakly serves your agenda, working only to convince those also without any education or capacity for free thought that gang / organized crime is not completely out of control in many parts of this country.

Statistics are complicated, my friend.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
56. So is reading apparently
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jan 2013

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010. During the same time period, the FBI estimated, on average, more than 16,000 homicides across the United States (www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls). These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 12 percent of all homicides annually.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
58. Wow! So as much as 12%!
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jan 2013

That certainly explains your overarching concern with that instead of the other 88% of murders!

Here I thought it a distracting dog whistle! I even had you pegged as a racist gun nut!

Imagine my relief. And thanks for setting us all straight!

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
59. Let's dig a bit deeper, shall we?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jan 2013

The number of gang-related homicides increased approximately 10 percent from 2008 to 2009 and then again from 2009 to 2010 in cities with populations over 100,000.
In a typical year in the so-called “gang capitals” of Chicago and Los Angeles, around half of all homicides are gang-related; these two cities alone accounted for one in five gang homicides recorded in the NYGS from 2006 to 2010.

You seem to think this isn't incredibly alarming?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
62. Dude.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010.

That's about 500 per year.

Would you like to know how many Americans were killed by guns in 2010? 31,672.

So here's your math problem: 500 is what percent of 31,000?

What's alarming is the distance the bubbly-sack-of-cats-insane gun lobby is willing to go in an attempt to confound the issue. And yeah, if you're doing this, I'm talking about you, too.

So, please, continue digging. You're quite good at it.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
65. Annually, per year
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jan 2013

Duh. That's 2000 per year, increasing at a rate of 10% per year, hitting the cities hard, and stoking fears that ultimately result in more guns.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
67. Duh, indeed. Read it again.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jan 2013

I'll help with the big words:

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2006 to 2010.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
74. I'm interested in finding solutions
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jan 2013

I happen to think gang/organized crime is a major source of violence and gun violence in America, both directly and indirectly.

It is the indirect affect I am most interested in, and this is probably nearly impossible to measure.

I see first hand a major increase of criminal activity in my own city, and I know it is repeated across the country.

I believe this is fueling gun purchases and non-gang related gun deaths because of negligence.

Reporting gang related homicides is no perfect science; the Feds rely on local data that is often inaccurate. How do you identify "gang related"?

That is my position. If you want to somehow convince me my concern is not appropriate, you are going to have to try again.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
77. Gangs are a major source of violence.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jan 2013

No question.

But they're a drop in the bucket in the big picture of gun violence -- unless every reporting agency in the country is wrong by several orders of magnitude.

Your argument is like saying busses cause traffic jams, because I'm always behind one when I'm stopped on the freeway.

And since I can't believe you believe something that absurd, I don't think it's at all inappropriate to question your sincerity.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
95. It's compiled by the Bureau of Justice Statistics
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jan 2013

That's a federal agency, so state-based definitions are not relevant.

You now you can tell when someone is an ignorant dumbass? When they talk about issues they don't understand and then tell others to "educate themselves" on their subject of their own ignorance.

You're posts on this thread have been 100% fact-free and substance free.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
33. I asked a question
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jan 2013

I made no mention of concern.

Children die as a result of gang violence, even very young children.

Bullets fired do not discriminate.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
35. A question that seems to be a constant NRA talking point to minimize the lives of urban victims
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:47 PM
Jan 2013

Maybe your question was innocent but it sure seems to come up a lot by the RBKA extremist crowd when statistics of gun violence are brought up.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
57. Maybe because..
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jan 2013

The root of the problem is gang and organized crime, fueled by a drugs and guns black market?

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
101. No, it's not
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jan 2013

You've got quite the learning curve, my friend.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm

In the cities under surveillance, there were 2,933 homicides, with 856 of them being gang related. That would make just under 30% of homicides gang-related. What's more, the MAJORITY of firearm deaths are suicides. So gang-related homicides are likely only about 10% (or less) of all handgun deaths.

The drug war and gang-related violence is a contributing factor, but it's nowhere close to being a root cause.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
36. I was snarkily pointing out that I don't think it matters how, who, where,
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jan 2013

or why these children were shot. The tragedy was that they were shot.

Your right, you showed no concern, sorry I thanked you for it.

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
42. This can be a place to whine
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jan 2013

Or participate in well reasoned debate. Well reasoned debate, IMHO, is going to have far more impact than just pointing fingers and running the other way.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
25. Thing about that is...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jan 2013

Young people in inner city gangs didn't always have such easy access to guns. Anyone who was around in the fifties probably remembers when switchblades were considered fairly bad-assed weapons among the juvenile delinquent crowd. So, I think the fact that inner city gangs now have all the guns they want constitutes part of the gun problem as it exists today.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
12. Amwericans just don't see compilations
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jan 2013

of a week's worth of gun incidents from the entire country. Very sobering.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
15. Truly scary.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jan 2013

This should be on every news cast, every weekend, everywhere in this country. People need to be hit over the head with these stats day after day. Annual gun deaths are about to surpass drunk driving deaths, but I think most Americans still only view this in the abstract. They need to see the reality, the toll in human lives. Not only do I think this sort of report should be on the news every weekend, pictures of the people killed should be included.

Thank you for pushing forward with what must have been some depressing research.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
20. I think national news shows should do this every Friday.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jan 2013

I remember Walter Cronkite giving the weekly casualty figures from Vietnam every Friday. That, just as much as anything else, helped the scales fall from a lot of eyes. Same can be done here. I think a lot of people would be stunned to know just how many are killed and wounded by gun violence in this country every week.

But I can hear it now: The liberal medial is further politicizing the issue of gun control, and interfering where it has no business.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
26. One more
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/19/2482601/boy-14-was-taken-to-uk-hospital.html


A 14-year-old boy was taken to University of Kentucky Chandler Hospital after being shot in the stomach in Laurel County Saturday morning.

The boy was visiting a friend at a home on Ky. 552 eight miles southwest of London when the shooting occurred, according to a news release from the Laurel County sheriff's office.

The sheriff's office said a 15-year-old boy at the home told them he was handling his grandfather's .38-caliber revolver in the kitchen when he tripped and the gun went off, hitting the 14-year-old.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2013/01/19/2482601/boy-14-was-taken-to-uk-hospital.html#storylink=cpy

Robb

(39,665 posts)
28. Chicago does its own version of this on weekends.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:19 PM
Jan 2013
2 Dead, 15 Wounded In Shootings Since Friday

Weekend gun violence in Chicago left two men dead and at least 13 other people wounded, including a man shot during a party in the Loop’s historic Palmer House Hilton Hotel.

The man, 25, was attending a party on the 22nd floor of the hotel at 17 E. Monroe St. when a male shooter pulled out a gun and opened fire, police News Affairs Officer Hector Alfaro said.

He was shot in the right leg, and was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in good condition, Alfaro said. No one is in custody early Sunday, and police had no word on what sparked the shooting.

A representative for the hotel could not be reached for comment.

The weekend’s first fatal shooting happened about 9:15 p.m. Friday in the West Side Austin neighborhood. A 21-year-old man was shot several times through a glass window while he was inside a Popeyes Chicken and Biscuits restaurant in the 5500 block of West North Avenue, police said....

Read More: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/19/2-dead-6-wounded-in-shootings-since-friday/

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
29. After of all of these shootings...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:22 PM
Jan 2013

According to the cartoon on the other page after the 19 incidents; (statistically) that wasn't quite enough mayhem for even one single incident where someone successfully averted a home invader (1 in 22).

I can't help but wonder how many of the surviving family members wished they'd risked being unprotected from home invaders instead of suffering the consequences of having a gun laying around.

 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
30. We need this as a weekly edition followed by another segment
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jan 2013

which would be mercifully short,featuring news stories or stats about vigilante's saving lives with guns.
I mean fair is fair,they want to take away our police and give any idiot a gun that wants one.
If guns in the hands of untrained and unregulated militias save lives,prove that theory with facts.
Go ahead,make my day!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
31. NRA Public Service Message:
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jan 2013

Only a good baby with a gun can stop a bad baby with a gun.....



- K&R

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
37. Weekly Counts of Dead & Injured Database
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:48 PM
Jan 2013

This is just one week of only kids/teens.
It's shocking and should be unacceptable, except if you're a reckless gun owner.
If there's so many responsible gun owners, why do so many children get shot?

A daily data base would be a start reminder of the un-Godly amount of American's being killed or maimed
at the hand of a gun.

Maineman

(854 posts)
40. Give politicians hell. Gun freaks do.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jan 2013

Anyone with a little common sense knows that something significant needs to be done about guns. Gun lovers know they are on the wrong side of common sense, wisdom, and safety, so they try to overcome their disadvanage by making lots of noise. The rest of us cannot even imagine that calling for gun regulation and control is a controversial issue. We cannot imagine that it is necessary to contact our politicians about the need for gun control, so the politicians hear mostly from the gun lovers.

The common sense community needs to give politicians hell, repeatedly.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
43. No links to any of the incidents
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jan 2013

...makes it less credible to those who are not already inclined to believe it.

intheflow

(28,461 posts)
98. Here are links to four of the first five stories:
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 07:35 AM
Jan 2013
Clevealnd (sic) Police are investigating the death of a 6 year old girl after she was shot in the face
http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/cleveland_metro/clevealnd-police-are-investigating-the-death-of-a-6-year-old-girl-after-she-was-shot-in-the-face

East Anchorage Drive-By Shooting Sends Teenage Girl to Hospital
http://www.ktuu.com/news/crime/east-anchorage-drive-by-shooting-sends-teenage-girl-to-hospital-011913,0,4531781.story

I could not find a link to this story about a 12-year-old in Bainbridge, GA who shot himself while hunting. However, Bainbridge, GA did experience a drive-by shooting this week which resulted in a 23-year-old being hit, so it's not like gun injury was unknown in this town last week:
Drive-by Shooting in Bainbridge, Georgia
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/8536002.html

Richmond man shot by 4-year-old dies
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/city-of-richmond/richmond-man-shot-by--year-old-dies/article_f83ed5ed-1b79-5b73-9b12-e22e210c13c4.html

Police investigating shooting of 2-year-old boy
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-01-14/police-investigating-shooting-2-year-old-boy

I don't have time to google all the incidents listed, but it's off to a good start for internet reporting accuracy when four of the first five stories listed pop up from reputable, local news sites in a simple google search. Feel free to search for the rest yourself and report back to us. I'd like to see the links myself.
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. This is great. Until Sandy Hook, Gungeoneers had almost daily celebration of bad guys getting shot
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:05 PM
Jan 2013

And monthly increases in gun sales and toting permits.

Good work.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
60. These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jan 2013

their ludicrous interpretations of the Second Amendment. Junior had said the Constitution is just a piece of paper and proceeded to trample a goodly portion of Bill of Rights although holding the Second Amendment sacred and sacrosanct. Oh the diabolically twisted and treacherous dichotomy.

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