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(3,145 posts)MightyMopar
(735 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)MightyMopar
(735 posts)You're ignorant of the new 2013 Ram truck that leads the industry in gas mileage. Heck this new fullsize Ram even gets better gas mileage than compact Japanese trucks. You need to quit focusing on 1994 and move into the 2st century, Mr Professor!
http://autos.aol.com/gallery/best-trucks-fuel-economy/
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/33353.shtml
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Adults ride on two wheels...
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)smart car when too cold or raining. Has not rained or been real cold lately though.
Pete Cortez
(31 posts)Kind of hard to establish provenance of claims made in a cartoon, especially since at least two of them seem to be completely made up.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)spanone
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DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Pete Cortez
(31 posts)New to DU. Looking forward to the give and take.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)have an issue with some on the other side of their view. WELCOME, hope you stay. I like the back and forth discussion. I think it makes us all smarter.
Pete Cortez
(31 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)you have much to learn grasshopper
Robb
(39,665 posts)I haz anodder sad.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Of course it would be easier to get more recent data if your buddies at the NRA weren't suppressing government research into guns as a public health issue
Pete Cortez
(31 posts)...how is it that the President was able to do away with said suppression by mere executive order? Also, the sources you provide clearly indicate research was conducted in the period NRA was supposedly "suppressing" it.
In any case, I'd still like sources for the claims in the cartoons, but I'll dispose of the claims made by Hemenway and friends here:
1. "Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries." Authors use a questionable proxy for gun availability (firearm suicide rates). Use of this proxy in a simple regression with no control variables is a blatant example of begging the question.
2. "Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states." I unfortunately can't find a free source for the full text on this. I note Hemenway's synopsis indicates the study used yet another proxy for firearms ownership. I'll withhold judgement for now and focus on his follow up piece.
3. "State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003." Here we actually have an abstract. Hemenway maps 2001-2003 homicide victimization data to 2001 survey data on firearms ownership (VPC made the same mistake, only more egregiously by using 2007 homicide data). Moreover, the use of homicide rates rather than, say, the lifetime risk of homicide victimization is confounding. If a gang were to cross the border from California to Arizona and proceed to act as violently as they had before, the impact on Arizona's homicide rate would be considerably greater than it was in California. Moreover, the authors--to their credit--warn against drawing a causal inference between prevalence of firearms ownership and homicide rate.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)If the government weren't suppressing research, what would be the point of the e.o. unsupressing it?
https://www.google.com/search?q=nra+cdc
It is just that reality has a liberal bias.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I've only read posts by you extolling the virtues of guns (or something along those lines) ... tell me, please (just to clear the air) what actual Democratic positions do you hold?
You are a strong advocate of gay marriage (a basic human right)
.... a strong advocate of a woman's right to choose ....?
You are willing to fight for social and economic justice ... for all....?
Pete Cortez
(31 posts)I'm no activist; just a programmer and gunsmith in big sky country.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)It sounds (and please correct me if i am wrong) that you are stating that you hold no real opinion on "other" issues confronting the Democratic party ... except for the gun issue .... ?
I accept that 22% of Democrats own guns ... I also accept that some of those Democrats and I are never going to agree on gun laws and policy, but that we are going to believe in the same general goals and ideals of the Democratic party. Those are people worth engaging and listening too.
The idea of the Democratic Underground is to interact with like minded people. Folk that work (from simply voting for Democrats ... to high level political activism) for the election of Democrats to political office.
do you have any deeply held political beliefs ... excluding your views on guns?
Pete Cortez
(31 posts)I support the program in almost all its entirety. I have differences of opinion with certain groups on matters concerning energy policy (specifically, nuclear power) and of course on the matter of firearms.
However, you also asked whether I was "willing to fight" for such and such. I admittedly have little time for activism, on behalf of gun owner rights or much of anything else. To the extent that I have anything to say on political matters, I usually restrict myself to subjects I know best. That has no bearing on my principles or my ballot.
Robyn66
(1,675 posts)You know, because people get run over in cars and there are drunk drivers and that is exactly like someone getting a military style weapon and mowing down 20 first graders. You have to have a license to drive a car and some people's heads literally explode if you begin to discuss the prospect of background checks never mind licensing for guns even though they are exactly the same. Just remember that even though you point out perfectly valid provable points, Guns are the same as cars and if you want to regulate or control any kind of gun, well then what you are saying is that we should take all cars off the road to stop drunk drivers. Yes guns are the same as cars guns are the same as cars guns are the same as cars....
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Robyn66
(1,675 posts)I guess there IS a difference between cars and guns!
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)"Many people feel that having a gun provides greater safety for them and their family. Actually, having a firearm in the home escalates the risk for death or injury, while using it to shoot someone who endangers the household is much less common. The resultant injuries, deaths, emotional turmoil, and/or disabilities lead to greater utilization of health care and legal/police services. Payment for these expenses is provided by higher insurance premiums and tax rates. This financial aspect has become a part of our country's current political concern over firearm ownership rights, gun violence or regulation, health care costs, the economy, and taxes.
Key Points
* The presence of a gun in the home results in more deaths to the owner and/or family members than to intruders.
* Suicide rates are escalated by firearm availability.
* Gun-related violence raises health care utilization and costs.
* Gun-related violence increases criminal justice system expenditures.
* Shootings result in higher costs to taxpayers and for insurance premiums.
* Gun-related violence leaves a legacy of grief and hardship."