My take-a-way from Zero Dark 30 is that

[Ninga]

actionable intelligence (actionable) did not come from torture but from a Lamborghini.

[patrice]

1. MUST see this movie, so I can decide for myself how the point is made: pro?, con? or neither? nt

[Ninga]

3. I noticed that the torture portrayed in this movie was on

detainees who were low level, didn't know much or didn't know anything big or led to dead ends.

My take-a-way was that the movie did not show torture as being an important, critical element to our intelligence. But the Lamborghini sure got results.

[patrice]

5. My daughter, whose life is independent film, had the same opinion, though she didn't mention

the Lamborghini.

[Ninga]

6. It played the biggest role, and led directly to OBL...........

These "fast and furious" type movies are challenging to follow. Each tidbit of dialog is foreshadowing of the bigger store and can lead to a key story line.

I am a soon to be 69, and a white anti-gun, anti-violence, peaceful person, who thought the movie brilliant.

[arely staircase]

2. i know

they get zero information while torturing anybody, neither in real life nor in the movie.

[Ninga]

4. Well, at least the two of us "got it." What about the rest?

[arely staircase]

8. most people here hate it

haven't seen it, but hate it.

[Enrique]

10. i saw this scene

I don't hate the movie but nothing I've heard about it makes me want to see it. Even the people that say they like it don't seem to have enjoyed it very much.

[graham4anything]

7. Good old fashioned preserverance and detective work, like a jigsaw puzzle

and it was oddly enough edge of the seat suspense, even though (spoiler) one knows the ending

[grantcart]

9. Torture reduced a guy to saying everyday of the week in order to try and get them to stop.

Before the Lamborghini came Sherlock Holmes.

The CIA agent became obsessed about the courier because lots of middle level people could identify the courier BUT all of the TOP level people said that they never knew of him. (See SH in The Case of the Dog that Didn't Bark).

It was having lots of miscellaneous conversations and using deductive reasoning that made the difference.

Once they became convinced that it was worthwhile then they broke out the Lamborghini.