Take a Xanax or pour a cocktail, relax, and get ready for some jaw-dropping stupidity...

[Atman]

AMERICAN PATRIOT
Do you agree or disagree with Linn County Sheriff Tim Mueller's stance in his letter to Vice President Joe Biden -- that neither he nor his deputies will help federal agents take firearms away from law-abiding citizens? "It is the position of this sheriff," he said in the letter," that I refuse to participate, or stand idly by, while my citizens are turned into criminals due to the unconstitutional actions of misguided politicians." http://bit.ly/VlN4m4

10,151 likes and 2,937 shares on FB so far. Of course, the nutters think the Sheriff would be upholding the law by breaking a law which no one is proposing anyway.

[pkdu]

1. "My citizens"...twice....in one letter. Douchebag, with other hand on his "precious" nt

[madokie]

2. Instead, I'll go 'pour' myself a gatoraide

Peace Atman

[leftyohiolib]

6. would have been classier to have left out the (')s

[Atman]

13. Oh well...typing fast without proofing.

Shit happens.

[leftyohiolib]

30. happens to me too - that's why i dont correct people on their typing- and when people do, i think

it's classier to not point it out - like the poster did with the apostrophes. that post was to THAT poster not you

[leftyohiolib]

3. the sheriff is not breaking any laws. the feds cannot order the states to enforce fed laws

the feds will need to use feds to enforce federal law they cant tell the states to do it

[southernyankeebelle]

8. VP Biden letter to Sheriff

Forgetaboutit. When the time comes we will bring our Army with the big guns to take care of the situation. Thank you for informing us.

[The Magistrate]

11. If His Deputies, Sir, Do Not 'Stand Idly By' While Federal Agents Enforce Federal Law

They will spend long terms in Federal custody.

[leftyohiolib]

24. yea i misread that as "they WILL stand idly by" yea if they interfer then off to the pokey he'll go

but my point which is that the feds cant make him enforce federal law is still valid.

[The Magistrate]

32. They Neither Need Nor Want To, Sir: No Local Authority Enforces Federal Law

If a thing is against both state and Federal law, a local authority may arrest someone, and later turn them over to the Federals, but that is a different thing than a local officer enforcing a Federal law.

[galileoreloaded]

81. er, ok.

huh?

[wtmusic]

16. Brother, the Confederacy is about as dead as your Shift key. nt

[leftyohiolib]

26. when ee cummings died he will'd his computer to me

[kestrel91316]

34. I have noticed that DUers with names that include

"lefty" or "lib" always seem to turn out to be supporters of the RW, and in your case gun nutters.

Curious, that.

[womanofthehills]

39. I've noticed that too

Seems to be a dead giveaway.

[FSogol]

42. That one has 2 terms for good measure.

I look forward to seeing the troll that has 3 terms in his name. It'll be something like:

LeftySouthpawLib or DemLiberalUtahLefty

[genxlib]

47. For the love of all that is decent

Please don't include me in that broad brush. The gun nutters (and RW as a whole) can bite me.

[LeftofObama]

48. I hope I'm not included.

I'm neither a RW supporter, nor a gun nutter.

[kestrel91316]

56. "LeftY" is the giveaway. It's namecalling by RWers against liberals.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

51. Always? I don't think tht's true. It's just that we notice it more because of the irony.

[kestrel91316]

57. Ok. Not precisely 100% of the time. But often enough for many of us to notice it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

60. I know what you meant, but you didn't respond to my suggestion that it seems like it happens a lot

because we notice the name more when it strikes us a ironic. I bet more DUers with lib, lefty, etc in thier screen names do not post RW crap.

I do think, however, that there are too many RW-crap-schilling posts on DU, regardless of the screen names.

[leftyohiolib]

82. and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar - no shame in being wrong though.

[hopemountain]

54. sounds familiar to patriot talking points.

but it is not true. oregonlive.com

[jeff47]

69. Um....no. They can write a law that requires states to implement it

For examples, you might wanna take a gander at the interstate highway system. Or consider Medicaid.

Do you think the state DoTs or Health Departments aren't the ones implementing those Federal programs?

[Duer 157099]

4. Bet that Sheriff loves busting pot smokers though!

Crazy country.

[Angry Dragon]

5. a poor mis-guided sheriff

[hopemountain]

52. the sad part: he is not alone

some of the oregon sheriffs are organized and part of a patriot militia. the one northern oregon county sheriff who has refused to send a similar letter is being heavily attacked. katu.com

[patrice]

7. What is HIS legal definition of "law-abiding"? Rather a loose contract, isn't it? Who defines its

terms? Was he elected to do that?

Prediction: Mueller is politically ambitious and will run for higher office next.

[SWTORFanatic]

59. Yep, if you park illegally are you no longer law abiding?

[patrice]

61. I mean, I can understand these concerns, but if it were me, I'd want to spell it out LEGALLY very

precisely, so that I would not find myself in the position of defending, or at least not fulfilling one's duty toward, someone(s) whom I ought not be assuming that relationship to them in that particular situation in that particular manner.

It's a little like being a classroom teacher, if you're too ambiguous you're going to get used and the essential reason may be that you are trying to be buddies with people that don't need you for their buddy and in regards to whom others in your classroom/community have needs that you are violating in favor of those you have chosen, for whatever reason, to mitigate the rules for.

If someone does this, they should consider spelling it out very precisely legally, so as not to create false expectations on any side in the issue, but, then, I suppose that IS the point, so, if something bad happens, one can always say "That's not what I meant, so it's not my fault that they misunderstood my intentions." That's the classic RepubliKlan tool known as Plausible Deniability.

This guy is playing his county for a sucker. Whatever happens is what he says it is & that's bulllshit, because it's not what he was hired to do. He is not judge and jury. My bet is that he's an ambitious manipulative demagogue who will pull the rug out from under whomever serves his objectives.

[SWTORFanatic]

65. It's essentially a code word. Law abiding = mostly law abiding white male

[patrice]

76. Oh yes! I hadn't thought of that, but it fits profiling very tightly doesn't it. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

9. Would this Sheriff or others like him feel the same way if

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instead of crazed gunmen killing theater goers and young school children they were gunning down scores of police, republicans and their supporters?

It is seemingly only the innocent which have to die at the hands of bastards with assault rifles (weapons of mass destruction) and the right wing continue to duck their moral (yeah, I know...they don't have any) responsibility by admitting that they have created this problem: the proliferation of weapons never imagined by the writers of the second amendment.

BTW: I am in now way advocating for the injury or deaths of any sheriff, police officer, republicans or their followers, and it was only to illustrate a point.

[okaawhatever]

19. Yes, and many police organizations support gun limitations. Of course sheriffs are elected so

they're acting more like politicians with this. When they changed laws in Florida to allow guns on college campuses and other public places, all the police chiefs opposed it. All in the entire state. This moron is giving the impression leo's oppose gun control measures, which isn't true.

[rusty fender]

10. I've had poor cocktails

[Atman]

15. LOL! I deserved that one!

Maybe I need a Bloody Mary.

[Paladin]

14. The Ugly, Unhinged Spirit Of Bull Connor Lives On. (nt)

[Still Sensible]

17. Pure strawman bullshit

frankly law enforcement in general seems rather in favor of some common sense gun regulations.

Unfortunately, there are squeaky wheel exceptions--seems like these tend to be sheriffs that typically must stand for reelection ergo the RW claptrap--and they're getting plenty of coverage.

[wtmusic]

20. Strawman of what?

OP hasn't made any point this is supposed to support, and the article speaks for itself.

You're perfect entitled to post some counter-examples.

[Still Sensible]

44. The sheriff puts out a straw man letter

refusing to enforce laws that dont even exist! Typical right wing--make up shit and be righteously outraged about the untrue shit they make up.

[kestrel91316]

35. Sheriff Gun Nutter isn't a straw man. He's a real flesh and blood man.

With lunacy in his soul and blackness in his heart, just like all gun nutters.

[still_one]

18. I wonder the assholes position if he is confronted by a perp with an bushmaster

Based on the msm one would believe Americans love their guns more than anything else, good "Christian" americans

[okaawhatever]

21. or better yet, not confronted but shot from far away. The Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle has a 1 mile

range and is legal for private purchase in 49 states. WTG NRA

[OldDem2012]

27. If you have $2,000-$10,000 to spare, you too can purchase a .50 cal rifle!....

http://www.50bmgstore.com/50bmgcurrentprices.htm

For true home defense, check out the quad-fifty!

[okaawhatever]

58. and if you order now we'll throw in this set of ginsu knives......lolz nt

[OldDem2012]

22. Wow. Taking a stand against a law that doesn't even exist? What an idiot....

...His letter is pure political grandstanding....throwing raw meat to the True Believers.

[Old Codger]

23. At this time

There have been no ideas set forth by anyone other than some here to take existing guns away from law abiding people anywhere. Our sheriff here in Douglas county Oregon made that same statement....Even with the Assault Weapons Ban they never made any attempts to take anyones guns away any existing guns and magazines were "grandfathered" in.

[wandy]

25. Linn County Oregon, future NON recipient of federal funding in any form........

They don't need no stinken inter state highways. They don't need no stinken post office. They gots their freedumb.
Good to see the right wing is doing something creative about the deficit.

[kestrel91316]

37. Hey you gave me a great idea. Stop all USPS activity

in any county that refuses to obey federal gun laws - for the safety of postal workers, obviously!

Close all their post offices, cease all deliveries and pickups at the county line. Make them all travel to the next county for mail pickup and delivery.

[wandy]

46. Not only USPS employees ......

Interstate Highway workers, FAA workers, Agricultural assistance to local farms, anything that requires federal tax dollars.
Sane firearm regulations can be achieved in the same way speed limit regulations were achieved.
We just have to sit down and talk about it like adults.
I see no point in my tax dollars supporting some local "top dog's" temper tantrum.

[Bigmack]

50. Guys like Lyndon Johnson... bless (and damn) his hide...

.. would have shown guys like this not to fuck with the "feddle gummint".

He knows he's safe... so he's just rousing the rabble.

Now, if Federal Marshalls showed up and clapped him in irons for threatening federal officials in the performance of their duties.... perpwalk, stripsearch, crossbar hotel, orange jumpsuit.....

Damn, aren't fantasies fun!

[bluestateguy]

28. Correct me if I am wrong

But the assault weapon ban grandfathers in existing owners. And persons with felony convictions cannot have guns anyway (making them not-law abiding anyway). So his letter is just a lot of chest thumping and smoke blowing.

[2pooped2pop]

29. there's probably not going to be much taking of guns anyway

So this guy will get to look like he's the man that stood up to Obama. When actually he will not be called on to take away any of his law abiding citizen's guns.

An obvious Fox news watcher which means an uninformed, misguided, and perhaps ignorant man. We should question his suitability for his job.

[Recursion]

31. What do you think about sheriffs where pot is legal who refuse to help the DEA? (nt)

[kestrel91316]

38. Nobody commits mass murders with pot.

In case you haven't noticed.

[Warren Stupidity]

41. Yes but on the surface it seems like a fair point.

It only gets all bullshitty if you think about it.

[Recursion]

49. So sheriffs should enforce laws you agree with

*shrug*

[bobclark86]

63. So no drug dealers...

have ever shot people over weed?

[lpbk2713]

33. Orville Faubus decided the hell with the Feds too.

Eisenhower and the 101st Airborne soon convinced him that was a really bad move.

[RKP5637]

36. Unfit for office. n/t

[Marrah_G]

40. His letter is based on a false reality

No one is coming after his citizens to take away their guns except in his paranoid, delusional mind.

[womanofthehills]

43. I live in Torrance Country, NM - same wording

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. And, we know that "law abiding" citizens don't kill other citizens...except when they do.

[Rex]

53. I wonder who typed it up for him?

Wow, he can hold a paper in front of a camera...well ain't he smart!!!!

[samsingh]

55. ridiculous

[Squinch]

62. Check out the responses in the link. As far as I can tell, many are positive about

the sheriff's actions, but it's hard to say. The spelling and composition mostly amount to "ug ug ug. My rites. ug ug ug. Ouch. My knuckles are bleeding."

There is a lot of discussion of rites. Maybe they are religious.

I am guessing a cannibalistic cult of previously undetected bigfoots living in the Catskills. With computers.

[Atman]

64. Almost all positive responses

The Tea Baggers think he's a hero protecting us from the Communist Socialist Fascist Constitution-shredding America-hating gun grabber.

[Squinch]

68. And he's such a weasel! All he's saying in the letter is that he won't enforce unconstitutional

regulations. Which no one is asking him to do.

I think I'll write to Joe Biden and tell him I'm not going to spray paint Air Force One. AND I'm not going to bring a horse to church in Massachusetts. Because, goddammit. My rites.

[datasuspect]

78. Uhhhhhmerica is a BIG place

and it is filled with those knuckledraggers.

[Warren DeMontague]

67. And watch these same guys fall all over themselves to enforce federal law if OR legalizes pot.

"But we HAVE to!!!!!!!!!!"

[farminator3000]

70. from the comments

Thank you Sheriff! I live in SC, and I am sure our entire state will take the same attitude and refuse an unconstitutional orders, no matter whom it comes from. My hate is off to you Sheriff, well stated and clear.

[classof56]

71. Oh, drat! I have to drive through Linn County on my way to Western Oregon.

Also, Crook County north of me, where their sheriff has made the same idiotic declaration 'bout what he's gonna do to protect all the law-abidin' morans who are madly in love with their guns. Guess I'd better remove the "Obama/Biden" bumper stickers from my car. Sigh...times like this make me sad to be an Oregonian. Sheriff Mueller's kinda cute, though--wonder how he feels about arresting gray-haired grannies who don't pack. Maybe I'll test it out, next time I have a hankerin' to visit the Oregon coast. Would be fun, wiping that smirk off his face!

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

72. I agree... nor however, can he stop federal agents form coming to do his job for him. nt.

[BeeBee]

73. I didn't realize the sheriff was a constitutional scholar. n/t

[Shankapotomus]

74. Well, let's see how that works out for him n/t

[jmowreader]

75. I'm not too worried about it

When The Evil Unconstitutional Federal Gummint comes in to deprive Linn County of its constitutional rights, the first thing it's going to do is send platoons of soldiers in to arrest the sheriff and his minions for Obstructing Federal Officers.

[Lint Head]

77. Lets do the same thing with pot! Don't enforce the federal law mister police person.

[bubbayugga]

79. looks like a whole lot of words just to say fuck you.

[Snarkoleptic]

80. He looks a bit like Gary Busey.

Seems to carry teh crazy gene as well.