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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPhil Mickelson is considering shutting down his career next year because of new tax laws...
https://twitter.com/ScottMichaux/status/293133724781002752
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Douchebag.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)This is just the icing on the cake.
avebury
(10,952 posts)why?
There will be plenty to take his place.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)can live under a fucking bridge. I hear Alaska has some lovely bridges. Then, presto, no fucking taxes to pay. Stupid dumb ass whiny fucker.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)because his taxes might increase 2 or 3%. Are all professional golfers as stupid as your average Tpartier ?
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)That can't be good for your development as a human bean.
indepat
(20,899 posts)We all should remember a 2009 Homeland Security report identifies right-wing extremist groups as the greatest threat to America, its people and government. This right-wing meme to the effect that life in the western world will never be the same should taxes on the most affluent be increased 2% or 3% is ludicrously ridiculous, Phil. Shame on you for playing such an asinine right-wing card.
Bennyboy
(10,440 posts)is the band he shoudl start with all the rest of the silver spooners.
What a macaroon. If he is not Phil Michelson INC by now and is able to write off most of his income then he is a total idiot.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)What a douche
unblock
(52,196 posts)wwwwaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!
Initech
(100,063 posts)Response to Initech (Reply #8)
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Squinch
(50,949 posts)OK, I get it from the other posters that he's a golfer, but seriously, why would anyone care? This is a guy who has the option to "shut down his career" because he doesn't want to pay a 4% higher tax rate.
Are we supposed to feel badly for him?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Probably the real reason is that the drug ain't cuttin' it and he can't perform to his previous standards...but it sounds cooler to play to a tea party crowd, I guess, and pretend he's leaving because of "taxes."
Greedy ass jerk.
MinM
(2,650 posts)Wonder how many Million$ he's made off that?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)he and wifey can eat bonbons all day while playing video games. And he won't even notice a decrease in standard of living. He can quit work (wait - what about being a pro golfer is actually "work"????) and the world won't end.
But I'll shed a tear or three for him because I'm a nice person.
There.
onenote
(42,694 posts)if the tax rate makes a difference in whether you play or not, why did you become a professional in the first place since the rates in 1992 (when you turned pro) were higher than they are now? Nearly half of his tour victories occurred before the first round of bush tax cuts was enacted.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)fishwax
(29,149 posts)It just wasn't worth it before the Bush tax cuts
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Asshat.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)as long as he follows the law.
who cares.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)anywhere.
stultusporcos
(327 posts)plenty of other people will be glad to take his spot.
He is free, white and over 21 he can do what the f he wants as long as he follows the law.
If he wants to sit in his house and masturbate to midget porn for the next 50 years he can and I know I and most likely millions of others will not give a sh_t.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)you seem to be. Fail.
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #109)
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)you are trudging through a trail of quicksand. YOU lowered the discourse by being a bigot. After all, being WHITE gave you the the freedom to be a bigot. So when you post bigoted things, you will be called a bigot.
Thanks.
bigot.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)At Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:15 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
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LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)a bigoted statement.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)reveal something about you. By now, you've had time to think better of it. Instead, you seem to think those pointing out your bigotry have taken a low road.
No, we are pointing out that YOU are though.
And it's bigotry, plain and simple.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I guess he CAN do whatever he wants. Or something.
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GObamaGO
(665 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
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Salviati
(6,008 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Sorry Phil, you must be dumber than Papa John.
mythology
(9,527 posts)able to keep 100% of zero that what he would pay in taxes on his winnings. It's like those idiots who said if taxes went up on those making over $250,000, they would only earn 249,999 to not pay the higher tax rate because they were too stupid to understand the tax system.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,079 posts)..."I'm was planning to retire, anyway. This just gives me a chance to smear Obama, while I'm at it." That's if he really said this. Otherwise, it's some member of his fan club's way of saying it.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Winning post.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. If he did in fact say that, I would be surprised if he followed through.
Gman
(24,780 posts)he might as well quit.
Furthermore, he's pretty much a jerk. I've got a good story that involved a crap table in Las Vegas and my girlfriend holding the dice for 6 or 7 minutes while Mickelson and his girlfriend had stacks of blacks all over the table making money hand over fist from my girlfriend's roll. She crapped out and passed the dice. No thank you, no hey, here's a black for ya, not even a nod, not even a fuck you for making them several thousand dollars in a few minutes. Him and that bimbo that I think he eventually married.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)when he, an AZ state golfer, that immediately after getting his first tour victory at the Tucson Open, went around saying that the Tucson Open was a "B" tour event.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)I suspect his declining game has more to do with it than 3.6% tax hike.
MinM
(2,650 posts)to save himself further embarrassment. That's my guess as well.
alp227
(32,018 posts)Of course someone like Mickelson would be happy to play in a tournament sponsored by such company.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)McKilroy, Johnson and the younger tour players have been spanking your rankings for 2 years now...
Goodbye, Phillip.
Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,355 posts)he is not the golfer he used to be, so retire already.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)I read that poor Curt is down to selling "The Sock".
pkdu
(3,977 posts)He is lying , or has worst accountant in the country.
Douchebag of the highest order.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)dang
dsc
(52,155 posts)which is treated at a more advantageous tax rate than what we set aside for ours.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)As far as I know he can deduct his state income taxes from his federal income taxes. In addition, he could get a number of deductions from things like charitable giving. I think he also has two minor children so he could claim them as dependents. Maybe because of his wealth he would not get that much money back, but I am fairly certain people can claim there minor children as dependents.
Mitt Romney paid a tax rate of 14% and that was after he refused to use some deductions in order to get his tax rate over 10% percent. If he had taken all of his deductions he would have had a tax rate of 9%. I realize that Mitt Romney is somewhat different from Phil Mickelson in that Romney lives off of his investments. However, it seems Phil Mickelson's tax rate could be reduced if he wanted it to be reduced.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)taxes are low in Somalia
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We will let the other bunch take care of us, no one to do their chores they pay us to do and they can pay the revenue needed to take care of us. Buffett will nit be able to say his secretary pays a higher percentage than he does, we will be paying 0%.
brewens
(13,574 posts)from. Usually it starts by being a country club brat. Dad has big bucks and buys a family pass. You have all the time you could possibly want to hang out at the golf course, take private lessons from a pro, practice and play thousands of rounds. The kind of thing a really talented average Joe golfer could never do. A guy like that would kill to get a chance to be a club pro and work at a public golf course. I know because I'm pretty good but only get a chance to play a couple rounds a month during the summer. Refining the short game was out of the question. I never got a chance to practice that much. Now I'm too old.
Then it's high school golf and probably college golf. I should be researching Phil's history but I have a feeling I don't need to.
onenote
(42,694 posts)but I don't much else about his circumstances.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)is affecting his health and golf game WAY more than he's willing to let on, so this "bombshell" makes for a convenient way for him to transition from the end of his "athletic" career to the beginning of his political career. I do believe his ego is large enough for him to feel he's capable of winning elections as a proud Repuke.
He really painted himself into a corner when he signed that huge deal with the pharmaceutical company that makes the medication he uses as a treatment for arthritis, as he had to know that any acknowledgement of the symptoms affecting his game would paint him as a snake-oil salesman.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)What they're not emphasizing in those Enbrel commercials is RA and related psoriasis are degenerative auto-immune diseases and Enbrel doesn't cure anything, it slows the progression to the point that that underlying inflammation can be managed sufficiently for everyday activity. The damage already done doesn't magically go away, though sometimes the dermatological involvement will.
For a professional athlete, in the medium-and-long-term, it's still a career death-sentence; probably even worse than for a non-athlete because all that activity is still going to result in more joint-damage faster anyways.
He can say "taxes" but having the same disease and being some years younger, I won't be surprised if he's in rough shape by age 55.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)awfully sobering, for someone like me who was totally unfamiliar with long-term effects of the affliction.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)His is. Before his diagnosis, it was apparently progressed enough to impact his performance.
I may be making it sound worse than it is for most people. I just get to feel cranky and old when my joints don't work the way they did at 19 and I'm 33 but my legs feel like I'm 45 if the weather's bad and I'm being too sedentary. Activity helps but too much activity causes more inflammation. I walk a lot or bike and they help...I'd be in pain the next day if I had to run 2 miles.
In all, among my fairly-minor health issues...it's barely worth mentioning compared with my asthma and hearing/balance issues.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)DemoTex
(25,393 posts)Makes beaucoup money chasing a little white ball around perfectly manicured lawns (in near-perfect weather), wearing jackass pants, and yet this spoiled little brat ain't happy.
Pilotguy
(438 posts)Taxes are cutting into his fuel budget for his Gulfstream V.
RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)we to believe that you were too stupid to know you were going to pay much higher taxes on those winnings then the top US tax rate next year?
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)1983law
(213 posts)Forbes has him at No. 48.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/phil-mickelson/
Is he claiming that he keeps basically 38 cents of every dollar "earned"?
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)He's a has been anyway.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Cry me a river Phil.
ZRT2209
(1,357 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)After seeing a few posts that's he's some "famous" golfer, it still goes to show you just how "important" some entertainers are to the rest of us
daleo
(21,317 posts)Probably won't walk the course or carry his own clubs either.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)DearHeart
(692 posts)This man made $43 million in endorsements last year, he made over $67 million in his golfing career and is worth an estimated $180 million dollars. Most people are even pulling in $43,000 per year! When I had a job, I wasn't even making half of the $43,000, I cannot feel sorry for him!
http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/phil-mickelson-plans-drastic-changes-due-to-tax-situation-012013
spanone
(135,823 posts)alp227
(32,018 posts)Whovian
(2,866 posts)OMFG.
Grey
(1,581 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)how many people can just decide not to work for a protest?
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts)One PGA win in 2011 and one win in 2012.
Love his sponsors... KPMG, ExxonMobile, Barclays.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)A pro golfer is rumored to be quitting. SO THE FUCK WHAT? So far the replies seem to indicate that he is
somehow compelled to keep playing (um, why? He's a fucking American and can do what the fuck he wants),
or he 'sucks' (um, actually, he's one of the top 10-20 players in the history of the game, thanks), or he's
inferior to Tiger (really? How much state income tax does Tiger pay? Yeah - zero.), or he's 'fat' (he's almost
certainly in better shape than 90% of DU).
Were you guys depending on him for entertainment and/or tax revenues? Get a fucking life.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Hell he may not have even said this but let the pile on begin. Some asshole suggests some other guy may have said something and five hundred members of DU have an orgasm of hate over it.
this place really sucks any more.
Skinner
(63,645 posts)Phil Mikelson is going to pay a few percent more in taxes than what he is paying now, and he claims he will stop playing golf because of it. So -- if we are to believe it -- Mr. Mikelson would stop earning entirely because somehow making zero dollars is better than making millions and handing a slightly larger fraction back to the government in taxes.
Yes, this is America and he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But choosing to earn zero dollars rather than millions of dollars is the definition of dumb.
I don't follow sports, and I don't care if this guy plays golf or not. But if he does quit golf because of this modest tax increase he's a fool. He deserves to be ridiculed for it.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Skinner
(63,645 posts)Too bad he removed it.
Last Stand
(472 posts)he doesn't have to do so publicly. And if he chooses to do so in public, then he is politicizing and editorializing on taxes, not just making a career move. He was making a statement about paying taxes.
In turn, we have a right to continue the discourse he started and make our own statements. What did he (or anybody) expect would happen?
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Poor baby will have to pay a couple more percent points in taxes, so he is getting all huffy and pouty and taking his 1% ball (or rather, club) home and refusing to pay that mean old Obama more money on his millions.
Boo hoo, Phil.
Just retire with grace, instead of blaming the Dems because you have arthritis and aren't 35 any more.
alp227
(32,018 posts)with link to this San Diego Union Tribune article "Mickelson expects to make 'drastic' changes because of political, economic climate"
"I'll probably talk more in depth next week (at the Farmers Insurance Open at Torrey Pines). I'm not going to jump the gun, Mickelson said. There are going to be some drastic changes. I happen to be in the (tax) zone that is targeted both federally and by the state, and it doesnt work for me right now.
Mickelson, 42, was responding to a question about why, in a conference call last Monday, he referred to whats gone on the last couple of months, politically, when talking about the semi-retirement of fellow tour pro Steve Stricker.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,338 posts)global1
(25,241 posts)to make room for other people to move up.
Word is, Phil Mickelson is mad as hell about rising tax rates, and hes not going to take it anymore. What follows is a brief portion of an interview Mickelson gave earlier today after carding a final-round 66 at the Palmer Course at PGA West in La Quinta which I assure you, is not associated with the La Quinta next door to your local Dennys in which the golfer hinted that he is considering drastic career changes because of a combined tax rate nearing 62, 63 percent:
Q. When youre asked about Strickers semi-retirement, with the political situation the last couple months, blah, blah, blah, what did you mean by that? Do you find it an unsettling time in a way?
PHIL MICKELSON: Well, its been an interesting offseason. And Im going to have to make some drastic changes. Im not going to jump the gun and do it right away, but I will be making some drastic changes.
Q. Meaning leaving from California?
PHIL MICKELSON: Im not sure.
Q. Moving to Canada? ...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2013/01/21/golfer-phil-mickelson-may-call-it-quits-due-to-climbing-tax-rates/
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)and it helps him sleep better, that's great.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)The 63% or whatever it is in Cali is only for endorsements, et al. Most PGA pros live in Florida with no state taxes...but you have to live in Florida.
Maybe he moves, maybe he retires. The PGA retirement plan is the best in sports and probably the best in the country - essentially an unlimited IRA.
Prediction: Phil lost a lot of money on investments and is looking to sue somebody. No inside info just a hunch. My buddy has some PGA guys in his hedge fund, I'll ask him what is up.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I went to college in CA, then moved to NC for my first "real" job when I graduated.
My CA taxes that year went like this:
What percent of the year did you live in CA?
Multiply your total income by that percentage, and that's your income for CA tax purposes.
Since it was my first "real" job, it was rather annoying - I made a lot more money in NC than during the 2nd semester of my senior year in CA, yet CA taxed me as if I was making the same amount all year long.
So yes, your state can tax you on income you received in another state. The two states where I personally know they do this are CA and NY.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I had no idea. So if I live and work in TX for three months to make my income from the year, then live in Cali for the 75% of the time I owe taxes on 75% of my income in Cali? That is fucked up beyond belief.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Atlas Shrugged. He thinks he will deny us his talent and then we'll all be sorry.
... someone that makes millions tapping a tiny ball into a hole is whining about taxes. Maybe he can join the Gerard Depardieu entitled bastards club and they can all move to Bumfuck, Crapistan and commiserate.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Golf has to be the most boring, tedious sport around.
This guy obviously doesn't care about his public image. He could have just said that he was retiring and left it at that. But no, he makes a crybaby statement like that.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Is there any data that high earners are leaving? Or just rumor an anecdote?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Answer: not you.
Douche.
Sid
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Shit, now I've revealed that I'm (shudder) a golf fan. Even worse, I'll also cop to the fact that I am an avid golfer and play every chance I get.
At DU that pretty much makes me persona non grata.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Blue4Texas
(437 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)If he is really quitting golf he is doing so not because of tax increases, but because he is a bad golfer.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)He isn't Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, or Tiger Woods.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)The sports media wanted him to be Arnold Palmer to Tiger Wood's Jack Nicklaus, but he never lived up to that role. At the very beginning of Tiger Wood's golfing career a number of sports media people looked for an Arnold Palmer like rival for Woods. I do not know why, but Phil Mickelson was the main person who they wanted/pushed as his rival. Mickelson did win a few major tournaments, but he was never really a rival to Tiger Woods like Arnold Palmer was to Jack Nicklaus. In addition, as you probably already know Phil Mickelson never won anywhere as many major tournaments as Tiger Woods. I am not sure Phil Mickelson won anywhere near the number of golf tournaments Tiger Woods won.
buzzroller
(67 posts)would be thrilled to make $60,000 or less/per year to play golf on the best courses in the world.
Most of his income is from endorsements not golf per se, so he will continue to earn big bucks for years.
I suspect his arthritis is affecting his game and he wants to quit and he is just making a political statement on the way out.
hatrack
(59,583 posts)A guy who has made more playing golf for four days than most people will earn in their lifetimes.
Tough shit. Oh, and fuck you, Phil, you whiny-titty baby.
madville
(7,408 posts)He claims he's paying around 60% in taxes with everything combined. With California at 13% on his income bracket he was saying some changes were on the horizon.
I live on the FL/GA state line (FL side), I much prefer working in Florida because I don't have to pay any state income tax, when I worked in Georgia it came out to around 5% a year for state income tax. I'm no millionaire though but I understand the line of thinking, for me it was about a $2,000 a year difference.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)He will pay no taxes, but he will earn nothing, too.
Genius.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Either way, Phil's hero, GE Pruneface, made it patriotic for the well-off to hide their trickle-down gained loot off shore.
Botany
(70,490 posts)Annual earnings according to Forbes:
2012 Earnings: $48 Million
2011 Earnings: $47 Million
2010 Earnings: $46 Million
2009 Earnings: $40 Million
2008 Earnings: $45 Million
2007 Earnings: $42 Million
2006 Earnings: $47 Million
2005 Earnings: $26.8 Million
2004 Earnings: $20 Million
jmowreader
(50,554 posts)He hits a little white ball with a stick.
He appears in ads telling other golfers they should use the same balls and sticks he does.
And he pitches an arthritis drug.
What will we EVER do if he decides to stop doing those things because the people of the United States need four more percent of his money than they're already getting?