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Phil Mickelson is considering shutting down his career next year because of new tax laws... (Original Post) MinM Jan 2013 OP
Poor Phil alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #1
He really is, isn't he? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #85
And this is a big deal avebury Jan 2013 #2
I hope he does, he and his wife can spend the money they have left and they Autumn Jan 2013 #3
LMAO - so he's going to quit playing a game that allows him to win millions of dollars Hoyt Jan 2013 #4
Well, they DO hang out at country clubs, I spoze. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #32
Wildly LMAO over this ludicrous right-wing meme. indepat Jan 2013 #37
Douche doucherson and the Douchenozzles Bennyboy Jan 2013 #5
He plays golf? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #6
poor baby. can't figure out how to get prize money in the form of capital gains! unblock Jan 2013 #7
What a douchebag. I know plenty of golfers who would love to trade places. Initech Jan 2013 #8
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #92
Who is Phil Mickelson? Squinch Jan 2013 #9
He's a golfer that sells an ARTHRITIS DRUG on the tee vee. MADem Jan 2013 #79
Enbrel came from-federally funded research some at Calif public universities... MinM Jan 2013 #96
How tragic. He'll stay home, and live off his interest, and kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #10
IF this is verified, the question that would have to be asked is onenote Jan 2013 #11
+ ONE MILLION. bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #13
Excellent.... WCGreen Jan 2013 #18
+ 960,380 It was a million but I had to pay a reasonable amt of taxes on it nt okaawhatever Jan 2013 #22
...... daleanime Jan 2013 #102
lol -- maybe that's why it took him so long to win a major fishwax Jan 2013 #35
I like that rebuttal LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #95
Who? nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #12
Wassamatta, Phil - lose your balls? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #14
It is kinda sort of a free country he can do what he wants for any reason he wants stultusporcos Jan 2013 #15
1. He's a famous golfer. 2. HE announced it. 3. "he can do what he wants" is not true WinkyDink Jan 2013 #19
I know who the f he is, again who gives a sh_t if he plays golf or not stultusporcos Jan 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Jan 2013 #42
You shouldn't be very proud of perpetuating that RACIST meme, yet LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Jan 2013 #98
Oh, bigot, you're just a SCREAM, aren't you? LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Jan 2013 #113
I didn't call you a name, I correctly described you in FACT. You shouldn't claim the high road while LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #117
Jury results. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #116
....are completely irrelevant to such a bigoted post (but thanks for posting this anyway) LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #118
so glad I support this place with my money on days like today. Nice TeamPooka Jan 2013 #119
I support DU with my dollars too. And yet it doesn't change a thing. A bigoted statement is still LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #120
you don't know me and no clue what you are saying. Live with your ignorance. Enjoy it. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #121
It seems YOU are the one without a clue, if you think posting bigotry LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #133
Oh, he's WHITE? Well, there ya go then tkmorris Jan 2013 #43
a bigot's gotta be what a bigot's gotta be...sometimes you can't fix stupid. nt LaydeeBug Jan 2013 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author TeamPooka Jan 2013 #122
Nice racist post there GObamaGO Jan 2013 #97
~ Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #55
Right, and we're free to call him an asshole entitled moron. Salviati Jan 2013 #62
Yeah, who wants to make millions playing golf is some of it is taxed. Scuba Jan 2013 #16
Yes it's much better to be mythology Jan 2013 #25
Another way of saying Phil has too much money. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #17
Nah. Actually, it's probably more likely his way of saying... GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #58
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #124
This is coming from a third-hand source subterranean Jan 2013 #20
He quit playing for the love of the game many years ago Gman Jan 2013 #23
I lost all respect for the man ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #129
He needs to stop making those ads. They drive me up the wall. n/t duffyduff Jan 2013 #24
Good riddance to that santimonious douchebag. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #26
if that happens, there will be riots in the streets Enrique Jan 2013 #27
He barely made the cut at the Humama Challenge... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #28
A convenient excuse... MinM Jan 2013 #47
Isn't Humana one of those giant health insurance corporations? alp227 Jan 2013 #73
Big Fucking Deal, Phil. Earth_First Jan 2013 #29
Poor excuse for his recent performances Ghost of Tom Joad Jan 2013 #30
Maybe he'll pull a Schilling DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #31
According to CBS he says he's paying 63% taxes....so he wants to leave California , maybe even US pkdu Jan 2013 #33
say it aint so Doughboy... dionysus Jan 2013 #44
He is counting money he puts aside for retirement dsc Jan 2013 #53
Multiple Deductions erpowers Jan 2013 #108
Bye, Phil rurallib Jan 2013 #132
bwahaha! fishwax Jan 2013 #34
I got it now, those working and earning much less should quit and fulfill Romney's 47% Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #36
If you understand what it takes to reach that level in his profession, you'd see where he was coming brewens Jan 2013 #38
I know that Mickelson's dad was an airline pilot and that he went to college on a golf scholarship onenote Jan 2013 #39
Methinks the rheumatoid arthritis he was diagnosed with a couple of years ago bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #40
I suspect you're right. Chan790 Jan 2013 #57
Damn. I'm sorry you're having to go through this yourself. The prognosis sounds bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #67
TY, mine's not severe though. Chan790 Jan 2013 #75
I wonder who Phil Mickelson is. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #41
Stupid is as stupid does .. DemoTex Jan 2013 #45
Poor Phil... Pilotguy Jan 2013 #46
Phil is making himself look like a fucking fool. You played in all those European matches are RB TexLa Jan 2013 #48
This must be BS. He certainly would pay less here. It makes no sense. The Wielding Truth Jan 2013 #70
If true. Good riddance. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #49
Worth nearly 50M 1983law Jan 2013 #50
Who the fuck cares? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #51
Po itty bitty wich person. I so sowy. Lint Head Jan 2013 #52
I guess he has a sense of entitlement ZRT2209 Jan 2013 #54
Who? What? RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #56
I know! (or rather, I don't know 'who' or 'what') kentauros Jan 2013 #103
He sounds lazy daleo Jan 2013 #59
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2013 #60
Poor man! Will he still have his gig with Big Pharma? Pfizer & Amgen?? DearHeart Jan 2013 #61
LINK DON'T WORK spanone Jan 2013 #63
see reply #72 nt/ alp227 Jan 2013 #74
Says the guy who makes a living walking around manicured pastures hitting a ball with a club. Whovian Jan 2013 #64
My first thought was "Who the Hell is Phil Mickelson?" Grey Jan 2013 #65
Haha...what a farcking baby BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #66
poor baby sad-cafe Jan 2013 #68
Yeah... It's not that he SUCKS the past two years, worse than Tiger, because of arthritis. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #69
Can someone explain the bullshit replies in this thread, please? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #71
is is pathetic is it not. CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #76
Allow me to explain. Skinner Jan 2013 #80
Removed Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #83
That isn't at all what Skinner said obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #88
It was a nice try, though. Skinner Jan 2013 #94
And if he were to exercise his right to make a bad math decsion, Last Stand Jan 2013 #100
It's important because he is spouting a RW meme obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #87
Tweet has been deleted/updated, alp227 Jan 2013 #72
Oh, well, we'll still have Charles Barkley JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #77
All The Rich Should Shut Down Their Careers.... global1 Jan 2013 #78
Forbes MinM Jan 2013 #81
LOL ... ok, if that's the excuse he wants to go with ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #82
You pay state taxes in the state you earn the taxes in AngryAmish Jan 2013 #84
No. States have different laws jeff47 Jan 2013 #105
I'll be darned AngryAmish Jan 2013 #107
He must have read the back cover of XRubicon Jan 2013 #86
Wow... sendero Jan 2013 #89
I really don't care. HappyMe Jan 2013 #90
Is there any data about people moving into and out of California? AngryAmish Jan 2013 #93
They aren't leaving jeff47 Jan 2013 #106
Hey Phil. Who was the first lefty to win a Major?... SidDithers Jan 2013 #99
Answer: Bob Charles - The Open Championship. 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #115
I'll consider myself in good company... SidDithers Jan 2013 #125
I will make less money to pay less taxes is ... Blue4Texas Jan 2013 #101
Quitting Because He Is A Bad Golfer erpowers Jan 2013 #104
I had never even heard of the guy until he got on that ad talking about his arthritis duffyduff Jan 2013 #111
No He Was Not erpowers Jan 2013 #134
Most golfers buzzroller Jan 2013 #112
Boo-hoo. An overpaid (though certainly skilled) athlete might have to pay more taxes hatrack Jan 2013 #114
The article I read said he was considering leaving California due to taxes madville Jan 2013 #123
His logic and math skills have eroded more quickly than his game. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #126
Tax Dodger or Tax Cheat Octafish Jan 2013 #127
He makes 30 million per year just in endorsements .... above what he wins in golf matches. Botany Jan 2013 #128
And such an important career he has! jmowreader Jan 2013 #130
I knew there was a reason I never cared for Phil M. nt BootinUp Jan 2013 #131
He's done a pretty good job of it so far n/t n2doc Jun 2014 #135

Autumn

(45,056 posts)
3. I hope he does, he and his wife can spend the money they have left and they
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jan 2013

can live under a fucking bridge. I hear Alaska has some lovely bridges. Then, presto, no fucking taxes to pay. Stupid dumb ass whiny fucker.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. LMAO - so he's going to quit playing a game that allows him to win millions of dollars
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 07:58 PM
Jan 2013

because his taxes might increase 2 or 3%. Are all professional golfers as stupid as your average Tpartier ?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
32. Well, they DO hang out at country clubs, I spoze.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jan 2013

That can't be good for your development as a human bean.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
37. Wildly LMAO over this ludicrous right-wing meme.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jan 2013

We all should remember a 2009 Homeland Security report identifies right-wing extremist groups as the greatest threat to America, its people and government. This right-wing meme to the effect that life in the western world will never be the same should taxes on the most affluent be increased 2% or 3% is ludicrously ridiculous, Phil. Shame on you for playing such an asinine right-wing card.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
5. Douche doucherson and the Douchenozzles
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jan 2013

is the band he shoudl start with all the rest of the silver spooners.


What a macaroon. If he is not Phil Michelson INC by now and is able to write off most of his income then he is a total idiot.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
7. poor baby. can't figure out how to get prize money in the form of capital gains!
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jan 2013

wwwwaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!

Response to Initech (Reply #8)

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
9. Who is Phil Mickelson?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jan 2013

OK, I get it from the other posters that he's a golfer, but seriously, why would anyone care? This is a guy who has the option to "shut down his career" because he doesn't want to pay a 4% higher tax rate.

Are we supposed to feel badly for him?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
79. He's a golfer that sells an ARTHRITIS DRUG on the tee vee.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jan 2013

Probably the real reason is that the drug ain't cuttin' it and he can't perform to his previous standards...but it sounds cooler to play to a tea party crowd, I guess, and pretend he's leaving because of "taxes."

Greedy ass jerk.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
96. Enbrel came from-federally funded research some at Calif public universities...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jan 2013

Wonder how many Million$ he's made off that?
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
10. How tragic. He'll stay home, and live off his interest, and
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jan 2013

he and wifey can eat bonbons all day while playing video games. And he won't even notice a decrease in standard of living. He can quit work (wait - what about being a pro golfer is actually "work"????) and the world won't end.

But I'll shed a tear or three for him because I'm a nice person.

There.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
11. IF this is verified, the question that would have to be asked is
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:19 PM
Jan 2013

if the tax rate makes a difference in whether you play or not, why did you become a professional in the first place since the rates in 1992 (when you turned pro) were higher than they are now? Nearly half of his tour victories occurred before the first round of bush tax cuts was enacted.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
35. lol -- maybe that's why it took him so long to win a major
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:14 PM
Jan 2013

It just wasn't worth it before the Bush tax cuts

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
15. It is kinda sort of a free country he can do what he wants for any reason he wants
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jan 2013

as long as he follows the law.

who cares.

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
21. I know who the f he is, again who gives a sh_t if he plays golf or not
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jan 2013

plenty of other people will be glad to take his spot.

He is free, white and over 21 he can do what the f he wants as long as he follows the law.

If he wants to sit in his house and masturbate to midget porn for the next 50 years he can and I know I and most likely millions of others will not give a sh_t.

Response to stultusporcos (Reply #21)

Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #91)

Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #109)

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
117. I didn't call you a name, I correctly described you in FACT. You shouldn't claim the high road while
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:31 PM
Jan 2013

you are trudging through a trail of quicksand. YOU lowered the discourse by being a bigot. After all, being WHITE gave you the the freedom to be a bigot. So when you post bigoted things, you will be called a bigot.

Thanks.

bigot.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
116. Jury results.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:36 PM
Jan 2013

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calling poster a bigot.
The poster dismissed them so they start name calling. Seriously, we can't let people lower the discourse here like this.


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LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
120. I support DU with my dollars too. And yet it doesn't change a thing. A bigoted statement is still
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jan 2013

a bigoted statement.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
133. It seems YOU are the one without a clue, if you think posting bigotry
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:50 PM
Jan 2013

reveal something about you. By now, you've had time to think better of it. Instead, you seem to think those pointing out your bigotry have taken a low road.

No, we are pointing out that YOU are though.

And it's bigotry, plain and simple.

Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #110)

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
55. ~
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jan 2013

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Defending a right-wing meme. Implying criticizing a right-winger is "infringing on his free speech." RW Troll.

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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
16. Yeah, who wants to make millions playing golf is some of it is taxed.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013

Sorry Phil, you must be dumber than Papa John.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Yes it's much better to be
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jan 2013

able to keep 100% of zero that what he would pay in taxes on his winnings. It's like those idiots who said if taxes went up on those making over $250,000, they would only earn 249,999 to not pay the higher tax rate because they were too stupid to understand the tax system.

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
58. Nah. Actually, it's probably more likely his way of saying...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:27 AM
Jan 2013

..."I'm was planning to retire, anyway. This just gives me a chance to smear Obama, while I'm at it." That's if he really said this. Otherwise, it's some member of his fan club's way of saying it.

subterranean

(3,427 posts)
20. This is coming from a third-hand source
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jan 2013

so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. If he did in fact say that, I would be surprised if he followed through.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
23. He quit playing for the love of the game many years ago
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jan 2013

he might as well quit.

Furthermore, he's pretty much a jerk. I've got a good story that involved a crap table in Las Vegas and my girlfriend holding the dice for 6 or 7 minutes while Mickelson and his girlfriend had stacks of blacks all over the table making money hand over fist from my girlfriend's roll. She crapped out and passed the dice. No thank you, no hey, here's a black for ya, not even a nod, not even a fuck you for making them several thousand dollars in a few minutes. Him and that bimbo that I think he eventually married.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
129. I lost all respect for the man ...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:39 PM
Jan 2013

when he, an AZ state golfer, that immediately after getting his first tour victory at the Tucson Open, went around saying that the Tucson Open was a "B" tour event.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
28. He barely made the cut at the Humama Challenge...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jan 2013

I suspect his declining game has more to do with it than 3.6% tax hike.

alp227

(32,018 posts)
73. Isn't Humana one of those giant health insurance corporations?
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:51 AM
Jan 2013

Of course someone like Mickelson would be happy to play in a tournament sponsored by such company.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
29. Big Fucking Deal, Phil.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:06 PM
Jan 2013

McKilroy, Johnson and the younger tour players have been spanking your rankings for 2 years now...

Goodbye, Phillip.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
33. According to CBS he says he's paying 63% taxes....so he wants to leave California , maybe even US
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jan 2013
http://www.cbssports.com/golf/blog/eye-on-golf/21589838/phil-mickelson-says-changes-coming-because-of-taxes

He is lying , or has worst accountant in the country.

Douchebag of the highest order.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
53. He is counting money he puts aside for retirement
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:58 PM
Jan 2013

which is treated at a more advantageous tax rate than what we set aside for ours.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
108. Multiple Deductions
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jan 2013

As far as I know he can deduct his state income taxes from his federal income taxes. In addition, he could get a number of deductions from things like charitable giving. I think he also has two minor children so he could claim them as dependents. Maybe because of his wealth he would not get that much money back, but I am fairly certain people can claim there minor children as dependents.

Mitt Romney paid a tax rate of 14% and that was after he refused to use some deductions in order to get his tax rate over 10% percent. If he had taken all of his deductions he would have had a tax rate of 9%. I realize that Mitt Romney is somewhat different from Phil Mickelson in that Romney lives off of his investments. However, it seems Phil Mickelson's tax rate could be reduced if he wanted it to be reduced.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
36. I got it now, those working and earning much less should quit and fulfill Romney's 47%
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jan 2013

We will let the other bunch take care of us, no one to do their chores they pay us to do and they can pay the revenue needed to take care of us. Buffett will nit be able to say his secretary pays a higher percentage than he does, we will be paying 0%.

brewens

(13,574 posts)
38. If you understand what it takes to reach that level in his profession, you'd see where he was coming
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jan 2013

from. Usually it starts by being a country club brat. Dad has big bucks and buys a family pass. You have all the time you could possibly want to hang out at the golf course, take private lessons from a pro, practice and play thousands of rounds. The kind of thing a really talented average Joe golfer could never do. A guy like that would kill to get a chance to be a club pro and work at a public golf course. I know because I'm pretty good but only get a chance to play a couple rounds a month during the summer. Refining the short game was out of the question. I never got a chance to practice that much. Now I'm too old.

Then it's high school golf and probably college golf. I should be researching Phil's history but I have a feeling I don't need to.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
39. I know that Mickelson's dad was an airline pilot and that he went to college on a golf scholarship
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jan 2013

but I don't much else about his circumstances.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
40. Methinks the rheumatoid arthritis he was diagnosed with a couple of years ago
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:31 PM
Jan 2013

is affecting his health and golf game WAY more than he's willing to let on, so this "bombshell" makes for a convenient way for him to transition from the end of his "athletic" career to the beginning of his political career. I do believe his ego is large enough for him to feel he's capable of winning elections as a proud Repuke.

He really painted himself into a corner when he signed that huge deal with the pharmaceutical company that makes the medication he uses as a treatment for arthritis, as he had to know that any acknowledgement of the symptoms affecting his game would paint him as a snake-oil salesman.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
57. I suspect you're right.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jan 2013

What they're not emphasizing in those Enbrel commercials is RA and related psoriasis are degenerative auto-immune diseases and Enbrel doesn't cure anything, it slows the progression to the point that that underlying inflammation can be managed sufficiently for everyday activity. The damage already done doesn't magically go away, though sometimes the dermatological involvement will.

For a professional athlete, in the medium-and-long-term, it's still a career death-sentence; probably even worse than for a non-athlete because all that activity is still going to result in more joint-damage faster anyways.

He can say "taxes" but having the same disease and being some years younger, I won't be surprised if he's in rough shape by age 55.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
67. Damn. I'm sorry you're having to go through this yourself. The prognosis sounds
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jan 2013

awfully sobering, for someone like me who was totally unfamiliar with long-term effects of the affliction.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
75. TY, mine's not severe though.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:40 AM
Jan 2013

His is. Before his diagnosis, it was apparently progressed enough to impact his performance.

I may be making it sound worse than it is for most people. I just get to feel cranky and old when my joints don't work the way they did at 19 and I'm 33 but my legs feel like I'm 45 if the weather's bad and I'm being too sedentary. Activity helps but too much activity causes more inflammation. I walk a lot or bike and they help...I'd be in pain the next day if I had to run 2 miles.

In all, among my fairly-minor health issues...it's barely worth mentioning compared with my asthma and hearing/balance issues.

DemoTex

(25,393 posts)
45. Stupid is as stupid does ..
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:56 PM
Jan 2013

Makes beaucoup money chasing a little white ball around perfectly manicured lawns (in near-perfect weather), wearing jackass pants, and yet this spoiled little brat ain't happy.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
48. Phil is making himself look like a fucking fool. You played in all those European matches are
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jan 2013

we to believe that you were too stupid to know you were going to pay much higher taxes on those winnings then the top US tax rate next year?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
103. I know! (or rather, I don't know 'who' or 'what')
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jan 2013

After seeing a few posts that's he's some "famous" golfer, it still goes to show you just how "important" some entertainers are to the rest of us

DearHeart

(692 posts)
61. Poor man! Will he still have his gig with Big Pharma? Pfizer & Amgen??
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jan 2013

This man made $43 million in endorsements last year, he made over $67 million in his golfing career and is worth an estimated $180 million dollars. Most people are even pulling in $43,000 per year! When I had a job, I wasn't even making half of the $43,000, I cannot feel sorry for him!

http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/phil-mickelson-plans-drastic-changes-due-to-tax-situation-012013

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
64. Says the guy who makes a living walking around manicured pastures hitting a ball with a club.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:59 AM
Jan 2013

OMFG.

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
69. Yeah... It's not that he SUCKS the past two years, worse than Tiger, because of arthritis.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:51 AM
Jan 2013

One PGA win in 2011 and one win in 2012.

Love his sponsors... KPMG, ExxonMobile, Barclays.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
71. Can someone explain the bullshit replies in this thread, please?
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:41 AM
Jan 2013

A pro golfer is rumored to be quitting. SO THE FUCK WHAT? So far the replies seem to indicate that he is
somehow compelled to keep playing (um, why? He's a fucking American and can do what the fuck he wants),
or he 'sucks' (um, actually, he's one of the top 10-20 players in the history of the game, thanks), or he's
inferior to Tiger (really? How much state income tax does Tiger pay? Yeah - zero.), or he's 'fat' (he's almost
certainly in better shape than 90% of DU).

Were you guys depending on him for entertainment and/or tax revenues? Get a fucking life.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
76. is is pathetic is it not.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jan 2013

Hell he may not have even said this but let the pile on begin. Some asshole suggests some other guy may have said something and five hundred members of DU have an orgasm of hate over it.

this place really sucks any more.

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
80. Allow me to explain.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jan 2013

Phil Mikelson is going to pay a few percent more in taxes than what he is paying now, and he claims he will stop playing golf because of it. So -- if we are to believe it -- Mr. Mikelson would stop earning entirely because somehow making zero dollars is better than making millions and handing a slightly larger fraction back to the government in taxes.

Yes, this is America and he can do whatever the fuck he wants. But choosing to earn zero dollars rather than millions of dollars is the definition of dumb.

I don't follow sports, and I don't care if this guy plays golf or not. But if he does quit golf because of this modest tax increase he's a fool. He deserves to be ridiculed for it.

Last Stand

(472 posts)
100. And if he were to exercise his right to make a bad math decsion,
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jan 2013

he doesn't have to do so publicly. And if he chooses to do so in public, then he is politicizing and editorializing on taxes, not just making a career move. He was making a statement about paying taxes.

In turn, we have a right to continue the discourse he started and make our own statements. What did he (or anybody) expect would happen?

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
87. It's important because he is spouting a RW meme
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jan 2013

Poor baby will have to pay a couple more percent points in taxes, so he is getting all huffy and pouty and taking his 1% ball (or rather, club) home and refusing to pay that mean old Obama more money on his millions.

Boo hoo, Phil.

Just retire with grace, instead of blaming the Dems because you have arthritis and aren't 35 any more.

alp227

(32,018 posts)
72. Tweet has been deleted/updated,
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 03:46 AM
Jan 2013

with link to this San Diego Union Tribune article "Mickelson expects to make 'drastic' changes because of political, economic climate"

San Diego professional golfer Phil Mickelson said after the final round of the PGA Tour’s Humana Challenge on Sunday that he will have to make “drastic changes” in his life because of the federal and state taxes he is paying, and he confirmed that his decision to not buy an interest in the Padres was directly related to his financial situation.

"I'll probably talk more in depth next week (at the Farmers Insurance Open at Torrey Pines). I'm not going to jump the gun,” Mickelson said. “There are going to be some drastic changes. I happen to be in the (tax) zone that is targeted both federally and by the state, and it doesn’t work for me right now.”

Mickelson, 42, was responding to a question about why, in a conference call last Monday, he referred to “what’s gone on the last couple of months, politically,” when talking about the semi-retirement of fellow tour pro Steve Stricker.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
81. Forbes
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:31 AM
Jan 2013
Golfer Phil Mickelson May Call It Quits Due To Climbing Tax Rates

Word is, Phil Mickelson is mad as hell about rising tax rates, and he’s not going to take it anymore. What follows is a brief portion of an interview Mickelson gave earlier today after carding a final-round 66 at the Palmer Course at PGA West in La Quinta – which I assure you, is not associated with the La Quinta next door to your local Denny’s – in which the golfer hinted that he is considering drastic career changes because of a combined tax rate nearing “62, 63 percent:”

Q. When you’re asked about Stricker’s semi-retirement, with the political situation the last couple months, blah, blah, blah, what did you mean by that? Do you find it an unsettling time in a way?

PHIL MICKELSON: Well, it’s been an interesting offseason. And I’m going to have to make some drastic changes. I’m not going to jump the gun and do it right away, but I will be making some drastic changes.

Q. Meaning leaving from California?

PHIL MICKELSON: I’m not sure.

Q. Moving to Canada? ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2013/01/21/golfer-phil-mickelson-may-call-it-quits-due-to-climbing-tax-rates/

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
82. LOL ... ok, if that's the excuse he wants to go with ...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jan 2013

and it helps him sleep better, that's great.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
84. You pay state taxes in the state you earn the taxes in
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jan 2013

The 63% or whatever it is in Cali is only for endorsements, et al. Most PGA pros live in Florida with no state taxes...but you have to live in Florida.

Maybe he moves, maybe he retires. The PGA retirement plan is the best in sports and probably the best in the country - essentially an unlimited IRA.

Prediction: Phil lost a lot of money on investments and is looking to sue somebody. No inside info just a hunch. My buddy has some PGA guys in his hedge fund, I'll ask him what is up.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
105. No. States have different laws
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jan 2013

I went to college in CA, then moved to NC for my first "real" job when I graduated.

My CA taxes that year went like this:
What percent of the year did you live in CA?
Multiply your total income by that percentage, and that's your income for CA tax purposes.

Since it was my first "real" job, it was rather annoying - I made a lot more money in NC than during the 2nd semester of my senior year in CA, yet CA taxed me as if I was making the same amount all year long.

So yes, your state can tax you on income you received in another state. The two states where I personally know they do this are CA and NY.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
107. I'll be darned
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jan 2013

I had no idea. So if I live and work in TX for three months to make my income from the year, then live in Cali for the 75% of the time I owe taxes on 75% of my income in Cali? That is fucked up beyond belief.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
86. He must have read the back cover of
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:39 AM
Jan 2013

Atlas Shrugged. He thinks he will deny us his talent and then we'll all be sorry.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
89. Wow...
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jan 2013

... someone that makes millions tapping a tiny ball into a hole is whining about taxes. Maybe he can join the Gerard Depardieu entitled bastards club and they can all move to Bumfuck, Crapistan and commiserate.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
90. I really don't care.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jan 2013

Golf has to be the most boring, tedious sport around.

This guy obviously doesn't care about his public image. He could have just said that he was retiring and left it at that. But no, he makes a crybaby statement like that.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
93. Is there any data about people moving into and out of California?
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 12:39 PM
Jan 2013

Is there any data that high earners are leaving? Or just rumor an anecdote?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
115. Answer: Bob Charles - The Open Championship.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013

Shit, now I've revealed that I'm (shudder) a golf fan. Even worse, I'll also cop to the fact that I am an avid golfer and play every chance I get.

At DU that pretty much makes me persona non grata.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
104. Quitting Because He Is A Bad Golfer
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jan 2013

If he is really quitting golf he is doing so not because of tax increases, but because he is a bad golfer.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
111. I had never even heard of the guy until he got on that ad talking about his arthritis
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jan 2013

He isn't Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, or Tiger Woods.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
134. No He Was Not
Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jan 2013

The sports media wanted him to be Arnold Palmer to Tiger Wood's Jack Nicklaus, but he never lived up to that role. At the very beginning of Tiger Wood's golfing career a number of sports media people looked for an Arnold Palmer like rival for Woods. I do not know why, but Phil Mickelson was the main person who they wanted/pushed as his rival. Mickelson did win a few major tournaments, but he was never really a rival to Tiger Woods like Arnold Palmer was to Jack Nicklaus. In addition, as you probably already know Phil Mickelson never won anywhere as many major tournaments as Tiger Woods. I am not sure Phil Mickelson won anywhere near the number of golf tournaments Tiger Woods won.

buzzroller

(67 posts)
112. Most golfers
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jan 2013

would be thrilled to make $60,000 or less/per year to play golf on the best courses in the world.
Most of his income is from endorsements not golf per se, so he will continue to earn big bucks for years.
I suspect his arthritis is affecting his game and he wants to quit and he is just making a political statement on the way out.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
114. Boo-hoo. An overpaid (though certainly skilled) athlete might have to pay more taxes
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jan 2013

A guy who has made more playing golf for four days than most people will earn in their lifetimes.

Tough shit. Oh, and fuck you, Phil, you whiny-titty baby.

madville

(7,408 posts)
123. The article I read said he was considering leaving California due to taxes
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jan 2013

He claims he's paying around 60% in taxes with everything combined. With California at 13% on his income bracket he was saying some changes were on the horizon.

I live on the FL/GA state line (FL side), I much prefer working in Florida because I don't have to pay any state income tax, when I worked in Georgia it came out to around 5% a year for state income tax. I'm no millionaire though but I understand the line of thinking, for me it was about a $2,000 a year difference.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
126. His logic and math skills have eroded more quickly than his game.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jan 2013

He will pay no taxes, but he will earn nothing, too.

Genius.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
127. Tax Dodger or Tax Cheat
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jan 2013


Either way, Phil's hero, GE Pruneface, made it patriotic for the well-off to hide their trickle-down gained loot off shore.

Botany

(70,490 posts)
128. He makes 30 million per year just in endorsements .... above what he wins in golf matches.
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jan 2013

Annual earnings according to Forbes:
2012 Earnings: $48 Million
2011 Earnings: $47 Million
2010 Earnings: $46 Million
2009 Earnings: $40 Million
2008 Earnings: $45 Million
2007 Earnings: $42 Million
2006 Earnings: $47 Million
2005 Earnings: $26.8 Million
2004 Earnings: $20 Million

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
130. And such an important career he has!
Mon Jan 21, 2013, 10:41 PM
Jan 2013

He hits a little white ball with a stick.

He appears in ads telling other golfers they should use the same balls and sticks he does.

And he pitches an arthritis drug.

What will we EVER do if he decides to stop doing those things because the people of the United States need four more percent of his money than they're already getting?

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