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marmar

(77,072 posts)
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:24 PM Jan 2013

FBI responds to ACLU with blank pages


http://www.salon.com/2013/01/20/fbi_responds_to_aclu_with_blank_pages/

FBI responds to ACLU with blank pages
Fully blacked-out page after fully blacked-out page constituted the federal response to FOIA on tracking

By Natasha Lennard


[font size="1"]The only unredacted text in one of two memos provided to the ACLU [/font]


Last year, following the Supreme Court ruling that law enforcement does not have the authority to put a warrantless GPS tracker on a suspect’s car, the ACLU compelled the FBI to detail other ways in which they were tracking individuals.

The ACLU sought the release of two memos via FOIA, one addressing how the FBI planned to track down GPS systems already placed on cars without violating the Supreme Court’s ruling, and another memo which detailed other tracking methods used exempt from the GPS decision.

The Justice Deparment provided both memos, both redacted [see pdf] to the point that the documents contain little more than black boxes. As one commenter on technologist site ArsTechnica noted, “the FBI could have just photocopied 50 or so pages of someone’s middle finger. It would convey more useful information than what they actually provided.”

The ACLU registered their dissatisfaction last week: “The Justice Department’s unfortunate decision leaves Americans with no clear understanding of when we will be subjected to tracking—possibly for months at a time—or whether the government will first get a warrant,” wrote Catherine Crump, an ACLU staff attorney.


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FBI responds to ACLU with blank pages (Original Post) marmar Jan 2013 OP
So when will our newly sworn in president help to end this. Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #1
I have the feeling you misinterpreted what they were saying. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #2
I'm glad he's not a dictator as well Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #4
Please search "NDAA indefinite detention" on the web. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #5
K&R! Who watches the watchers? Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #3
The only safe assumptions are that: kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #6
They definitely need more oversight and less power siligut Jan 2013 #7

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
1. So when will our newly sworn in president help to end this.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

After all every time I object to any of my friends I'm told wait til his second term he will definitely be more liberal.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
2. I have the feeling you misinterpreted what they were saying.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jan 2013

As far as progressing the Liberal agenda, I'm sure he will do more during his second term. He has already begun sparring more with the Republicans realizing that they are not going to compromise the way that one would expect from a rational party. He has already ended DADT and has given every indication that he hopes to lead the fight to end DOMA including instructing the DOJ that he considers it unconstitutional. However, that is up to SCOTUS and/or Congress to actually end it.

As for the renewed PATRIOT Act, what a lot of people don't realize is that he renewed a few provisions of PATRIOT Act 2, which is vastly different from the original and which he actually voted for as Senator.

As for the drone program, I really don't understand why people are so dead-set against it when it has greatly reduced the number of "collateral damage". It's certainly not perfect, but it's the best we've ever had in the future. As for the war, Obama didn't start it, but he is working hard to stop it. Remember, there were 2 wars when he took over.

As for GITMO, he ordered it closed. It was the NIMBY's in Congress that stopped the XO and kept GITMO open.

I'm sorry that he is NOT a dictator that gives you every thing you want - no, scratch that - I am very glad that he is NOT a dictator.

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
4. I'm glad he's not a dictator as well
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jan 2013

While the president doesn't have the ability to unilaterally push things through he does have the ability to rally Senate and house dems not to vote for these expansions and force open all the records on the civilian spying. He can veto things like the ndaa

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
3. K&R! Who watches the watchers?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:00 PM
Jan 2013

Those who do not forgive or forget. "Abuse of power forces evolution of citizen's oversight committee"

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
6. The only safe assumptions are that:
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:39 PM
Jan 2013

A) We are all tracked, all the time. It would take lots of resources, but they have the resources. See "black projects" in Google. Or not.

B) We are all watched, all the time. Ditto.

Any time it is POLITICALLY expedient, they get to work analyzing the data they already have on whichever of us they wish to.

ETA: These tools are, of course, never used to solve crimes against individuals, for that is not their purpose. Their only purpose is to surveil those who displease the 1% and their lapdogs.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
7. They definitely need more oversight and less power
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jan 2013

Some within the bureau obviously consider the ACLU a weak, liberal organization.

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