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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaxby Chambliss has announced that he is retiring from the Senate
While the possibility of his seat going to a Democrat is remote, I still call this a good day.
Cleansing the Senate of a man who said Max Cleland did not jump on the grenade that cost him three limbs in Vietnam, but fell on the grenade because he was drunk (after getting a deferment from service himself), a man who ran campaign ads comparing Cleland to Osama bin Laden, is addition by subtraction in its starkest possible form.
Fuck you, Saxby. I shit on you from great height.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)So glad my wife and I left my home state.
CatWoman
(79,296 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)I wonder which lobby he's going to join.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,681 posts)But I wonder what sort of knuckle-dragging troglodyte will replace him?
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Some lunatic Teabagger.
JustAnotherGen
(31,816 posts)Upon reading the subject line of this thread. He's horrible as it is - but they always always get replaced by scary scary IndieTeaPublicans.
There's no way that state will send a Democratic to the Senate. As many good solid Democratics/Liberals/Progressives as we have in Georgia (proof is our DU members) there simply aren't enough to be able to avoid a crazy bagger filling his seat.
irisblue
(32,969 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)Hopefully he won't be replaced by someone equal or worse.
daa
(2,621 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Despicable asshole.
gademocrat7
(10,656 posts)Today is a good day. This chicken hawk is an evil man.
derby378
(30,252 posts)It can't be that good of a day if a slimeball like Chambliss manages to escape justice. Still, once he's gone, he's gone.
calimary
(81,220 posts)But better to have him OUT.
Hard Assets
(274 posts)After the insult of Cleland, I have never wanted to see Chambliss on the Senate.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)Glad you're here. I found that insult pretty damn unforgivable. PARTICULARLY coming from a chickenhawk who never served his country or wore her uniform or put his fat lazy pompous entitled ass on the line in harm's way as Max Cleland did.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 25, 2013, 01:57 PM - Edit history (1)
Georgia was within winning distance in the 2012 POTUS election, and I bet the demographics are continuing to move our way. They will probably elect another shithead to replace Saxby, but we should not be writing off that state.
We can win Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Missouri, Indiana. These are all places we should not write off.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People who demand a Jane Fonda-esque liberal coming out of a place that just doesn't roll that way are going to be disappointed. Someone who may be sitting over towards the right side of the Big Tent could pull it out, especially if he or she was a charismatic and personally likable candidate.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Obama is not a Democrat. That is to say, he ran on the Democratic ticket, but hwe didn't work with the Party at all. He had an entirely separate apparatus that was good for Obama, but sucked for the rest of the party. And now we are paying the price because we have lost so much ground in the states.
It is clear the next election cannot be won with a 7-state strategy. We need to get back to where Howard Dean had the party. It really wasn't that long ago. But I see no signs anybody is doing that. If anything, I see Obama continuing to go off on his own with Organizing for America and leaving the Party stranded.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)alan west say the teabagger rethugs were begging him to move back to his home state of Georgia to run for office? Here's his chance to jump in the clown car.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,448 posts)srican69
(1,426 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)Americans can be certain that Republicans will once again choose a chickenhawk to be their 'leader.' Chickehawkery is a core Republican Family Value.
srican69
(1,426 posts)The smart ones pulling strings keep pushing ridiculous people on to the stage to make a complete mockery of the whole system
MADem
(135,425 posts)his profile up. I would not be surprised if he's doing a little polling right now....
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)I also heard after Allen West lost, the Georgia Republican party was openly campaigning for him to move to Georgia to run for office there.
But I wouldn't wish Allen West on Georgia. I wouldn't wish Allen West on anyone, actually.
hay rick
(7,607 posts)Part of his macho spiel was that he grew up in "inner city" Atlanta. Of course, he grew up in a career military family, so I expect "inner city" isn't quite the same as "ghetto."
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)If he moved back to Georgia and gained residency he could run. He would do poorly in the liberal districts in Georgia.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)I'd be ok with that.
riqster
(13,986 posts)So Chambliss can spend eternity going through what a REAL patriot suffered.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...hot enough for this SOB.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Worthless POS...be gone!
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)worried about who we will get next....Gingrey, Price, Broun? Tea Party darlings all. I've even heard that Karen Handle (of Planned Parenthood fame) may run. No scarcity of RWNJs in Georgia to replace him.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)and Tom Price is my senator.
beachmom
(15,239 posts)Edit: oh, I see Tom Price will run for Senate. He's godawful terrible. As are most Republicans in Georgia. Isaakson is the least worst.
trishtrash
(74 posts)Here's how I see it. Chambliss knew his goose was cooked when he broke the Norquist pledge recently. Some real teapartiers will run for his seat including nutcase Paul Broun. This is an opportunity for a conservative Democrat like John Barrow, US representative, to run. He would be a very attractive candidate. Lemmings, march on!
pampango
(24,692 posts)Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): Evolution, Big Bang Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) tore into scientists as tools of the devil in a speech at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsmans Banquet last month.
All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell, Broun said. And its lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
According to Broun, the scientific plot was primarily concerned with hiding the true age of the Earth. Broun serves on the House Science Committee, which came under scrutiny recently after another one of its Republican members, Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), suggested that victims of legitimate rape have unnamed biological defenses against pregnancy.
You see, there are a lot of scientific data that Ive found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth, he said. I dont believe that the Earths but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. Thats what the Bible says.
Read more: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/rep-paul-broun-r-ga-evolution-big-bang-lies-straight-from-the-pit-of-hell.php
Video at the link.
Another Republican ignoramus on the House Science Committee.
He seems like quite a piece of work. Let's hope he doesn't win the seat.
daa
(2,621 posts)Forget statewide, no name recognition.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)for his seat. Know of any?
AllyCat
(16,180 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)who can win in Georgia.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)Is it possible Cleland could run again, and get his Senate seat back? We need him now, more than ever.
Turbineguy
(37,320 posts)to comedians.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)I'd love to see that happen.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The Republicant's heads would explode--a black man whose first name is MOHAMMED!!!! Gaaaah!!!!
He's a good candidate, IMO....but we'll see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasim_Reed
beachmom
(15,239 posts)Maybe in 20 years it will change here, but not in the near future.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And money. LOTS of money.
They dismissed Elizabeth Warren. Oh, she'll NEVER be able to beat Scott Brown! He's a regular guy, she's an ivory tower professer! They snickered about her native heritage and claimed, falsely, that she used it to gain EO advantage. They war-whooped, they called her "perfesser" and they acted like bullying little thugs.
And she beat the BVDs off of Regular Guy Naked EX-Senator Scottie in his barn coat and pick-me-up truck.
Oh, and just so the point isn't lost...MA has had a black senator (Ed Brooke), but they never, until Senator Warren was sworn in, have had a female senator. She's a first. And she will be going from junior senator to senior senator in a hurry.
Just because it ain't easy doesn't mean ya don't try.
beachmom
(15,239 posts)Mass. ain't Georgia. It's kind of like Iraq here in that your ethnic background determines who you vote for (a few choice white liberals in Atlanta metro isn't going to make much of a difference). And I have not seen any Dem or otherwise who is charismatic here. Once we lost the governorship, it has been over for the Democratic party statewide. The Party was always run within the Governorship, for which Dems ALWAYS held it for a hundred years. Now that the southern strategy is complete here, the Dem party has become a ghost of its former self. Only a couple of blue dog Dems left, and they're always endangered to be defeated every two years. In general, all our significant Democrats in this state are African American, and because of the backwards way white voters view things here, they will never win statewide. Barack Obama did show that this state is within reach in about a generation, but that kind of voter turnout doesn't show up during midterm elections.
The most powerful Democrat in the state is the Atlanta mayor, and it's only because he can get through to the WH. So all the Republicans, including Chambliss, would come crawling to Reed to make sure our state was taken care of by the federal gov. That does not translate into Reed winning statewide.
That is why I find the "independent" streak in MA in voting in Brown so frustrating. There is no independent streak like that here. Only Republicans are going to win statewide here until Latino voters grow to be a bigger proportion of the electorate.
No don't give up, but let's be realistic here. This is a red state.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The only way you change hearts and minds is to get out there and DO it. Elizabeth Warren doesn't just owe her victory to big money and a superb intellect and an ability to debate that was off the hook; she also owes her victory to people who tried and FAILED-- Martha Coakley, Shannon O'Brien and other women who ran for visible (not second string) offices and who got slapped back by a sexist mentality that was pervasive in the state (though at odds with our supposedly "blue-ish" credentials).
The "independent" streak was really a sexist streak. A woman named Jane Swift (GOP) was acting governor after Weld left and intended to run; rMoney came in and SHOVED her aside rudely, the GOP party bosses left her swinging in the wind. rMoney's LTGOV was a woman (that's how he handled charges of sexism, he got a nice looking LTGOV who couldn't put a sentence together, and who stayed quiet)--a completely vapid TOOL, she got her ass handed to her by Deval when she tried to run in her own right.
See, MA on occasion elects GOP governors, because we have a "weak governor" system (the legislature basically runs things, all the governor can do is slow down--not stop--the legislature with vetoes that eventually get overturned). This is why rMoney was laughingly called "Governor NO." Electing a GOP governor is a way to slow down legislative overreach, it really doesn't imply any strong endorsement.
Now that the glass ceiling for women candidates has well and truly been broken in MA, I am hopeful for even more improvement in MA politics--of course, we still need to field a candidate for Kerry's seat, and Scottie wants back in.
I guess the best thing for GA to do is the same--keep pounding away at the status quo, and run the candidate like he or she is going to WIN. In time, it'll happen.
Isn't the demographics of GA changing? I have three New England born cousins (with spouses) who have moved down there in the last five years. I know they're lifelong Dems, so that is a start!
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)we're getting bluer every election. The day will come.
beachmom
(15,239 posts)On the Democratic side, the promise of a hard-fought, expensive, blood-letting GOP primary, with the process almost certain to produce a candidate much more conservative than the conservative Chambliss, may create a small window of opportunity.
No, the timing isnt perfect. The demographics of the state may be changing, but they havent quite changed enough. The political fortunes of Democrats in general are improving, but they havent improved quite enough in Georgia. And the party infrastructure in much of the state is abysmal. Nonetheless, the right Democratic candidate, with the right campaign and message and against the right opponent, could potentially accelerate the process by a cycle or two.
And who might fit the bill as the right Democratic candidate? The list is pretty short. U.S. Rep. John Barrow, the only white southern Democrat remaining in the House, has already announced he wont run for Senate. State Sen. Jason Carter of Decatur has a bright future, but youth and relative inexperience would make victory difficult. And while Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed is probably the partys best hope in a statewide race, it would be a big political risk even for him.
When I wrote my post, I hadn't read Bookman's take yet. The fact that there is complete agreement between a lowly activist like myself with a pundit from the biggest newspaper in the state tells you something.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I enjoyed that article--some of the comments were hilarious, too. Two of my favorites:
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2013
12:01 pm
Doesnt a Georgia senator have to live in Georgia? Did Newt happen to move back?
Under Georgia law a concubines address is counted as a legal residence.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2013
12:02 pm
You are also in dreamland thinking about a Dem senator from Georgia.
No he is not. I will say it againan energized Democratic base gave Obama 47% of the vote in 2008. Do you really think that GA in 2014 will have become LESS inclined, demographically, to support a Democratic candidate, statewide, if that candidate has a coherent message and campaign team?
(And yes, I recognize thats a big ol if.)
Bring on some HOPE!!!
sofa king
(10,857 posts)It being the Republicans, and Georgia, and all.
Lest our fellow Georgians take offense, allow me to explain: The Republican Party's candidates are currently in a race to the bottom, and Georgia, being almost entirely Republican-dominated, is an extremely competitive state within the GOP.
That pretty much guarantees that only the most corrupt, disingenuous, scheming, backbiting, ruthless psychopath will survive the Republican primary process, a douchebag willing to press every racist and sexist button needed to win the primary nomination--but at the potential expense of general election votes--if the Democrats can find a dynamic and dramatic contrast to such an individual.
MADem
(135,425 posts)advantage. Hey, WE own screw-ups!! You non-Republicans have to pay us royalties when you screw up!!!
I hope the (D) team in GA runs their candidate like he/she is a winner, no matter what. Pull out all the stops, all the bells and whistles. Even if it doesn't pay off this time, it just might down the road.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)"Stupid" is not and should never be a virtue, or a requirement for membership in a political party, and yet it is practically both of those things among Republican candidates.
As we here see every day, one cannot be both moral and clever inside the GOP: they are mutually contradictory. There will never be a brilliant and ethically grounded Republican of the same caliber as President Obama, for example, because that person was already savaged and driven away years ago.
So the only two kinds of Republicans we really see any more are either clever and amoral, or stupid and puffed up with a stupid person's goat-herder morality--which I would argue is worse than being amoral because it guarantees that unelected amoral people will be those managing the stupid candidate (ahem, GWB).
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)shitting!!! A bit of pissing would not be amiss, either.
Do we know WHY he is leaving?
Is he ill or under investigation?
That man's picture appears in the dictionary next to the word MENDACITY.
klook
(12,154 posts)Chambliss is, unfortunately, not under investigation. His delicate sensibilities just can't take Washington any more.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And if we're really lucky, there's an investigation simmering on a back burner! Or a nasty extramarital affair, or at least a diapering prostitute!
We can hope...!
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Jawja
(3,233 posts)Really beat Max Cleland as we used Diebold with the patch named "Rob Georgia."
brer cat
(24,560 posts)and I am so glad this worthless piece of dung is going. There are some heavily populated liberal areas in GA along with a growing hispanic population. I wish this coalition could get a decent dem elected.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)...what a despicable piece of human excrement he is..
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klook
(12,154 posts)This fuckhead is one of "my senators." Ugh -- It's been sickening to have him "represent" this state.
The problem is, he could be replaced by somebody even worse in many respects, for example Tea Party idiot Paul Broun.
But after the way Chambliss screwed Max Cleland, seeing his exhaust fumes recede in the distance is definitely a good thing.
Chambliss is truly one of the most execrable politicians in Georgia history, and that's saying a lot.
CranialRectaLoopback
(123 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)piece of shit
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Just a guess: It won't be a moderate.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)But the GOP has a way of proving me wrong a lot on that question.
Glaisne
(515 posts)a big FU to Saxby POS. Too bad an even worse, crazier POS will take his place.
indepat
(20,899 posts)shamelessly slimy POS, as would be any draft dodger who had slimed a genuine war hero and casualty.
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)Saxby's shameful election win was one of many events that initiated my relocation out of Georgia.
Sad that I find myself represented now by paul Ryan and Ron Johnson
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)JitterbugPerfume
(18,183 posts)about Max Cleland
NEVER
Recursion
(56,582 posts)DallasNE
(7,402 posts)As he faced the threat of a primary challenge in 2014. The latest RINO in the eyes of the Tea Party just wasn't despicable enough for them.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)my fear, to which several have alluded, is he is considered a "moderate". So when Georgians vote for his replacement will we get a worse nutcase like Rand (I wear a toupee), etc.
It gets weirder and weirder guessing the next move of the far right.
Mark my words it will be a "man", someone who owns at least 10 guns, a self-identified "Christian" and a bigot. This is Georgia fare.
K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)Why good evenin' Mistah Chambliss, I'm Blanche DuBois, charmed I'm sure...
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)Erose999
(5,624 posts)accent too.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)nut replaces him.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)He's from the old school racist Georgia part of the GOP. I'm so tired of bigots like him. The human race will be better when it does not have to put up with this liar and pricks like him in government.
840high
(17,196 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)STILL TELL HIM TO EAT SHIT AND DIE!
Sorry, fuck head. No do-overs, no "time heals all wounds". I will neither forget nor forgive ... EVER!
Warpy
(111,251 posts)I do shudder to think just what will replace him.
spanone
(135,828 posts)Cha
(297,157 posts)Max Cleland. He will take that to his grave.
Meanwhile.. Here's something from Max Cleland..
Posted: 01/10/2013 8:36 pm EST
Max Cleland: Hagel Was A Great Colleague In Senate
Now, as Hagel's nomination for secretary of defense awaits confirmation by the Senate, Cleland, a Georgia Democrat who lost his seat in the 2002 election, said he is mystified by the latest line of attack against Hagel: that he was a lousy colleague.
"I consider myself a close friend of Hagel -- then, in the years we were in the Senate, and now," Cleland told The Huffington Post on Thursday. "So the allegation that he didn't have friends in the Senate is a bunch of hooey, and you can spell that any way you want.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/max-cleland-hagel-colleague-senate_n_2452052.html
Thanks Will
OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)She serves as the National Committee Woman for the Young Democrats of Georgia. She was honored to serve as a Delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. In recognition of her work to engage more young people in Democratic Politics, she was named Georgia Young Democratic of the year in 2009 and received the 2009 Future is Now Young Leader award from the Young Democrats of Atlanta.
The Apex Society designated her as one of their Power 30 Under 30 in the field of politics for 2008. She is an alumnus of Leadership Atlantas LEAD class of 2009 and a 2009 graduate of Yale Universitys Womens Campaign School. She was also recognized in the 2009 and 2010 publication of Whos Who in Black Atlanta as a community leader. She was honored in 2010, by Outstanding Atlanta, the citys premiere honor for community involvement. She is an active member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated.
Claybrains
(132 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)jmowreader
(50,555 posts)If it's through goobernatorial appointment, expect the worst shithead in the current congressional delegation to take his seat.
If by popular vote...I'm going with either Pizzaman or Newt.
And as an aside...want to bet this wouldn't have happened if their one-term gambit would have succeeded?
Erose999
(5,624 posts)being bandied about as potential candidates. And our worst representative in our delegation is the "science is sent from the pit of hell" guy, Paul Broun Jr. Theres also Karen Handles, the rightwing former CEO of Susan G. Komen foundation who tried to get them to quit offering support to cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood.
On the Democratic side, we'll probably get a DINO like Roy Barnes or John Barrow.
dawg
(10,624 posts)Saxby is a sane Republican. Evil, but sane.
That may be too much to hope for with his replacement. I guess I could run, but only my Mom, my son, and my ex would vote for me. (And I'd have to drive Mom to the polls.)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)that piece of garbage can rot in hell
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)He starts voting in ways to piss off his GOP constituents.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)so he could burn in it. What he did to Max Cleland is unforgivable and treasonous and should have been punished with a long jail term.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I join you at height.
beachmom
(15,239 posts)Look, Erick Erickson of Red State repeatedly said he would NOT support Chambliss again. Why? Because ole' Saxby isn't pure enough for the tea party set down here. I think he sensed he would have a tough slog in the primary so decided to bow out. Thing about Chambliss is that he was massively corrupt and beholden to corporate interests. But he wasn't a tea party radical either. So as awful as Chambliss was, we may be headed for worse.
A Republican will retain the seat in '14. Although demographics are changing here, Democrats have been essentially shut out from statewide races. They have no chance around here. So we may end up with something worse. Way worse.
Darkhawk32
(2,100 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)Fuck you, sack-o-shit. HOW DARE that chickenhawk accuse Max Cleland of being unpatriotic for opposing the war in Iraq, and even daring to question his patriotism for ANY reason. Max Cleland gave three of his limbs in service of this country. You do NOT disrespect that. You just don't. And if you're a chickenhawk, you shut the fuck up! Unless you wisely get down on YOUR intact knees and thank him for taking that grenade explosion so it wouldn't have to be YOU.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)I was reading Joe.My.God one day when somebody posted a really over the top hate post against gay people. Very colorful. The usual trollish thing. Joe deleted it, but he also checked the isp address. Turned out that the post came from Saxby Chambliss's senatorial office. IIRC the senator actually apologized to Joe or something like that. We never heard if the staffer was fired. Probably given a promotion.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)that if the Repubs run a wing-nut like the guy in MO, that a Democrat could steal that seat? Think about it. Also, the minority vote is expanding in GA, which could assist in electing a Democrat.
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)And thank you for reminding everyone of what a depraved, sick creep Saxby is.
And only the best wishes for the great American Max Cleland.
K&R. To the top!
moondust
(19,974 posts)POS
cbrer
(1,831 posts)If we run a strong candidate (Marshall is Vietnam Vet) and stay on a platform of exposing GOP dishonesty, rigging, and war mongering, we can win this thing. The time to act is now.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Is he going to finish out his term or step down now?
Bake
ben1204
(1 post)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)The GOP always claims to be pro-soldier, but they always shit on real war heroes, like Cleland and Kerry.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Not. FU Saxby. I hope your retirement is as miserable as the pain you have inflicted on the American public. Burn in hell.
donheld
(21,311 posts)dicksmc3
(262 posts)As a Vietnam vet myself, when I hear of these Chickenhawks in the Repug party leaving, I get a chill up my leg... The middle LEG!!
BYE ASSHOLE!! YOU'VE DONE NOTHING AND LYING ABOUT MAX CLELAND is about the lowest thing in your miserable life!! GOOD
RIDDANCE!!
mtasselin
(666 posts)After what he did to Max may this piece of shit roast in hell, but what about the people of the Great State of Georgia, please tell how you could be so hood winked?
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)Who were the last Democrats to win statewide and what does the state party bench look like? DIdn't he almost lose in 2008? Who was the guy who almost took him out then?