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Behind the Aegis

(53,951 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:59 AM Jan 2013

International Holocaust Remembrance Day

On this day, in 1945, the Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest concentration camp. It was the beginning of the end of the Nazi death camps. Though most, if not all, of the Allied forces were aware of these chambers of horror, it was when the world started to become aware. It was also when the denial started and continues to this day. Jews, Roma, the disabled, gays, and various peoples lives ended in horrific ways in this, and other camps.



Never Forget!

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International Holocaust Remembrance Day (Original Post) Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 OP
K&R Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #1
K&R pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #2
Never forget. LeftishBrit Jan 2013 #3
Kick! Heidi Jan 2013 #4
K&R Ken Burch Jan 2013 #5
Absolutely, we need to never forget tavalon Jan 2013 #6
Horrible. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #7
K&R newfie11 Jan 2013 #8
A shame we don't have a day of rememberance for all such genocidal tragedies, MadHound Jan 2013 #9
I want to say, I agree. This is not just a day for us to remember our own. SQUEE Jan 2013 #10
Kick Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #11
To never forget etherealtruth Jan 2013 #12
K&R LeftInTX Jan 2013 #13
How, why it happened - the deep origins of the Holocaust garshin Jan 2013 #14
Read about the pogroms of the 14th century HeiressofBickworth Jan 2013 #23
hyperlink didn't work garshin Jan 2013 #15
Thanks n/t azurnoir Jan 2013 #18
The most evil crime ever committed. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #16
Thanks... OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #17
I am sure you did. You're welcome. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #21
Recommended. William769 Jan 2013 #19
In 1945, Eisenhower ordered the camps Allies liberated to be photographed. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #20
And this morning we had what for the moment nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #22

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
6. Absolutely, we need to never forget
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:34 AM
Jan 2013

Sadly, genocide continues apace in many areas of the world, so I would venture to say, we are a forgetful species. That said, I do not tolerate Holocaust Deniers. It isn't a differing opinion, it's a lie. The Holocaust happened, no matter what someone wants to believe. I wish it had never happened but my wish doesn't change a single fact or a single horrific murder from that awful, awful place and time in history.

I have whistleblower genes so I know I'm unable to empathize with those who ran these camps and said nothing, did nothing to save their fellow human beings and in fact, didn't even see them as fellow human beings. I think it's okay not to be able to empathize with such "people".

As an aside, I don't think I could visit that place or any of the other unholy sites. I went to the Holocaust museum in DC. I cried and cried.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
7. Horrible.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:00 AM
Jan 2013

My father was stationed in Germany after they were defeated. (He had been on his way to invade Japan when the atomic bombs were dropped.) He said he couldn't comprehend how the German people could do something so horrible. Of course most of the German people weren't aware of The Final Solution. But they were aware of how racist the Nazis were when they came to power.

This is why racism needs to be constantly challenged. In can very quickly evolve into a holocaust.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
9. A shame we don't have a day of rememberance for all such genocidal tragedies,
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:10 AM
Jan 2013

Such as the purges of Russia, which killed three times as many people as the Holocaust, but was covered up because it was done by an erstwhile ally.

Or the genocides committed by America against Africans, African Americans, and Native Americans, but since these were committed by Americans, it is all swept under the rug.

It is time to remember all such tragedies.

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
10. I want to say, I agree. This is not just a day for us to remember our own.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jan 2013

This is a day to remember ALL that have been lost, and of all colors, creeds and religions.
A day to cry out we will not let this happen again.

LE'OLAM AL TISHKACH

garshin

(2 posts)
14. How, why it happened - the deep origins of the Holocaust
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:36 PM
Jan 2013

Hitler did not come out of nothing, and the Jews of Europe had reasons for not acting to save themselves until it was too late. The Holocaust was an end point of historical processes that can be traced back to at least Napoleon and a little before. This book gets closest to explaining it.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
23. Read about the pogroms of the 14th century
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jan 2013

in A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman. There have always been actions against Jews in Europe -- and probably other places as well. It's just that the Nazis were more methodical and had greater technological capabilities to create a greater Holocaust than had ever been seen before. But the idea was nothing new.

When i lived in Germany in the mid 1960's, I went to Dachau -- I'll never forget it. I cried at each mound of ashes thinking of the vast number of unknown and uncounted human beings who were there. I believe that the idea that German people were uninformed about the death camps is highly unlikely. They were certainly aware that Jews in their neighborhoods were taken and never returned. Those who lived near the crematoriums (like Dachau) certainly would have smelled the burning hair and flesh. And there was enough publicity and speeches about a "final solution" which was a thinly veiled allusion to the total destruction of the Jewish people. No, I think that their inherent anti-semitism helped them develop a "national amnesia". This amnesia allowed them to place their humanity aside and do nothing.

garshin

(2 posts)
15. hyperlink didn't work
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jan 2013

Addition to previous post: This book, Emancipation: How Liberating Europe's Jews from the Ghetto Led to Revolution and Renaissance gets closest to explaining hwo the Holocaust came to be.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. In 1945, Eisenhower ordered the camps Allies liberated to be photographed.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:04 PM - Edit history (1)

He personally visited several camps, as did General Patton (despite being one of the top BAMFs of the war, he threw up when he saw the piles of bodies at Buchenwald - who can blame him?). Eisenhower ordered German civilians to visit the camp of Ohrdruf, to see what their leaders had done in their name. He also ordered American soldiers to see the camps, and he brought journalists and members of Congress to see them.

It was clear Eisenhower wanted the world to see the Holocaust - he knew people would deny it happened, so he had it documented as much as possible, and brought as many witnesses as possible.

And still, we have assholes who claim it didn't happen, then turn around and say the Nazis didn't do a good enough job...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. And this morning we had what for the moment
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jan 2013

Has been charged as a hate crime.

http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/12321

This is how it starts...and why things like this need not just coverage, but...

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