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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo, Lie detector test for pain????
I have no problem with a lie detector test to get opiates. They already invade my body with piss test. Doctors are scared to write a prescription, especially for a person with chronic pain who needs treatment for life. Why do people who are truly in pain have to suffer because of the few addicts that don't need pills. The actual urine test are easy to beat, but not so much a lie detector. It would at least ease a doctors suspistion, they all suspect a pill seeker at first anyway. You can't tell me that modern science can't find a way to tell if the person is an addict or in pain. Maybe they don't want to.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)if people taking pain meds resulted in social violence like meth or guns, i could see it.
but this is to save insurance companies money by not providing meds. let's not help them screw people.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)of metastisised cancer who is only using whiskey and meth because he knows he is dying, no treatment. But some girl is beside herself because he won't at least go get pain pills so he can sell them. So make one of the questions "are you going to sell the pills".
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and meth heads, etc. i don't see what this is solving. this stuff is driven to keep costs down for insurance companies , and it punishes those who truly need the meds.
people steal or share xanax all the time too, the world is not a perfect place.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)but the country is awash in prescription drugs and alcohol. The difference is profit motive. People making money off the legal drugs. People making money off the prisons.
ananda
(28,858 posts)I would think they would be against this in a huge way.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)would likely fail a lie detector test.
intheflow
(28,462 posts)They rely on the assumption that liars will have increased heart rates or show other physical signs of "lying." However, some liars can lie without showing any stress, some people believe the lies they are telling so pass, and some people have other physical factors that would indicate a lie but are completely unrelated to the test being given. Pain would certainly fall under that last heading. FFS, this is why they're inadmissible in court! Ridiculous that a doctor's office would consider doing this!
Mosby
(16,301 posts)It's been discredited time and time again but people (and the media) are too stupid to give up this cherished belief.
PS - there is no such thing as "truth serum" either.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)The way we describe our pain is subjective. What I may call minor or bearable, someone else may call debilitating. A doctor has to try to determine whether a patient would be better off dealing with the pain, or the addiction.
unblock
(52,203 posts)at least not with reasonable enough accuracy.
terrible, terrible idea, nevermind that lie detectors simply aren't very accurate.
pain comes in many, many forms and so it's hard to even conceive of a simple test that would apply to all forms.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)For instance Ritalin is a stimulant, speed if you will, give it to a normal child and they will be bouncing off the walls, give it to a child that's actually ADHD and it will calm them down.
Listen to the long list of side effects when they push drugs in TV commercials, some people will see none of the side effects, some will be minimally effected and some few will have the most severe side effects up to and including death.
How would you calibrate a lie detector test for someone in severe pain? Those machines are about detecting stress and anyone in severe pain is going to also be severely stressed.
Ever crush your finger hard enough to lose the nail? Now imagine taking a lie detector test immediately after you smashed your finger.
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)you need a lie detector for, I just want to see if the person IS lying, not how much he is lying or how much pain they are in. A doctor should be able to identify some of it by the type of disease
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The point being that pain will stress someone enough to make the lie detector useless because those units work on measuring stress, if your stress level is already high (such as from extreme pain) then the machine does not work, there's no way to get a baseline reading free of stress.
spanone
(135,827 posts)TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)to throw off lie detectors by putting a tack in your shoe. You bear down on it when you answer truthfully which will cause stress to increase. I doubt it works anymore. Probably never worked in the first place. Putting aside the constitutionality of lie detectors, they are pretty much infallible.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)Are you sure you meant to say that?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And I say that as someone with Complex Regional Pain Syndrome who would surely pass a lie detector test regarding the pain I live with.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)name alone. What was wrong with RSD? I still call it RSD. Complex Regional Pain Syndrome--seems like they're making it less than what it is.
I was diagnosed in '93.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)My husband has glaucoma and migraines. It was his migraine doctor that finally came up with a cocktail of medications to help. Before he pretty much avoided light all together which meant he spent almost all of his time in the house with the lights dimmed. He manages his glaucoma with medical marijuana.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)I have chronic migraines--I've had 3 fractured skulls the migraines are a result. I take medication to help with them. I would love to wake up just one day without a headache. It's been so long since I've had that....
Best to your husband!
REP
(21,691 posts)I'm now taking Elavil and Topamax daily to prevent them, and my Topamax does has had to be doubled a couple times, but now I only have about 3 days a month with a migraine. Hope you find something that works for you, too.
cali
(114,904 posts)I can't imagine living with this for 20 years.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)they have to refer you to a pain specialist doctor who are very good at managing pain and addictions to pain medications.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Far too many false-negatives and false-positives. You get about the same accuracy from flipping a coin.
And I might mention that Aldrich Ames, the intelligence officer that turned out to be a Soviet spy, who gave the CIA one of its biggest pantsings in history, passed two polygraph exams while he was actively spying for the Soviets.
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cbayer
(146,218 posts)is not insignificant. It's a massive problem that has physicians stuck in the middle.
As a consequence, physicians have come under increasing scrutiny and that is the major reason for their reluctance to prescribe.
While I don't think a lie detector test is the answer, there is no good way of assessing pain complaints other than patient reports.
I think, however, physicians in particular would welcome programs, systems or tests that could give them valid pain measurements and see no advantage to not wanting that.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)And people use drugs to show they are telling the truth by calming down.
People is pain will always come up saying they are lying.
I remember studying those things in non human communication. They are to unreliable.
REP
(21,691 posts)I have immune-mediated polyarthritis and I also have kidney disease, meaning I can't take NSAIDs. I can take only narcotic painkillers if I want to avoid further decline in my kidney function.