Michael Moore: Everyday when parents drop their children off at school...

[Playinghardball]

Found on the Occupy the NRA Facebook

Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore told HuffPost Live Friday that he believes the deadly mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., was a "tipping point" in the gun control debate and that the National Rifle Association is "doomed" as a result.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/25/michael-moore-nra-is-doomed-video_n_2552784.html

[regjoe]

1. No we don't

[Taverner]

5. Speak for yourself

I do

[regjoe]

6. I will

when moore stops pretending he speaks for me.

[Taverner]

8. He speaks for a lot of us, actually

I realize at 180 posts, you may not understand that we here on DU tend to be more the left side of the Democratic Party.

[liberal_at_heart]

9. the trolls are having fun today

[Taverner]

10. Yep they are. Visceral hatred of Michael Moore is usually a give away

Not everyone likes Mr Moore, but only conservatives and fascists hate him

[regjoe]

13. My statement is shared by just as many, probably more

More to the left of the Democratic Party or not, people should always use facts.

[Taverner]

15. Mr Moore does use facts. Every movie from "Bowling for Columbine" on had extensive fact checking

It's only Republicans, Fascists and Conservatives who accuse him of not using facts.

But they lie

All conservatives lie

It's all part of that bubble they put themselves into - KKKarl Rove himself said he is not a member of the "reality based community"

[regjoe]

17. Movies?

We are talking about moore claiming that all parents think of Sandy Hook when they drop their kids off at school. That is an opinion, nowhere near being a fact.

[Taverner]

18. Yes, that is an opinion. I am glad you can tell the difference.

And many parents do think that

Not every parent, mind you. Some parents love their guns more than their kids, but it's a free country.

[regjoe]

19. Yes, many parents do dwell on the improbable way too much.

But I believe those of us more rational parents are of the majority.

[Taverner]

20. Improbable? Tell that to the parents at Sandy Hook.

And I don't consider burying your head in the sand "rational"

That's called "denial"

Now go hug your guns. I'm sure they love you back.

[regjoe]

24. Sad

You are unable to justify your irrational fear so you resort to emotion and rhetoric.

You remind me alot of my in-laws and their fears of flying after 9-11.

[Taverner]

27. So now you speak for me....

How rude

Seriously, gun violence on schools is rare. So are car crashes. So is rapid cabin depressurization on airplanes.

That doesn't mean we throw caution to the wind

Seriously, how important is your GUN if you would rather have it over your children's safety

That's what's sad

[regjoe]

33. Seeing how gun violence on schools is so rare

my childrens safety at school is not determined by guns.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

43. I'll quote you on that if you ever try to advocate for armed teachers. nt

[CherokeeDem]

31. For goodness sakes....

I don't have kids, and I can't drive past a school and not think of Sandy Hook. I am certain there are many who do and many who don't, but the point is we shouldn't forget.

[regjoe]

36. "Shouldn't forget" is not the point moore is trying to make

[CherokeeDem]

50. It was the point I was making...

Moore's point that the NRA is doomed because no parent can forget Sandy Hook is unfortunately a bit of a stretch.

I wish it wasn't.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

42. It's a fact to this one parent. nt

[jmg257]

34. Only if they don't have kids. Otherwise, they are full of shit.

Or they are really just dumbass enough to think their beloved guns at home will somehow protect their kids at school.

Poor kids.

[Arugula Latte]

21. I do.

Same with the mall. Same with a movie theater.

Welcome to life in the United States of Gun Nuts.

[regjoe]

22. Have you always been this fearful?

[Arugula Latte]

39. Well, you know now that mass shootings are weekly occurences in this fucked-up country,

it crosses my mind, yeah. I didn't say it kept me from going anywhere, did I?

There have been threats of violence called into my kids' school. If you have kids, you'd better just hope they're not in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We are unique in the world for the frequency and severity of these shootings. The Gun Humpers have huge power here. USA! USA!

[jmg257]

41. I haven't. This fear is a rather recent occurance, as we sadly see more and more

the costs & damages of allowing dumbasses such unfettered access to guns.

But fear is a good thing...causes us to do all kinds of smart things, including passing useful laws to better protect us all.

[Arugula Latte]

46. Also, a friend of mine was at that mall in Oregon and left less than a minute before the

first shots were fired. She was there with her three little kids, all under the age of 8.

So, yeah, it's a real thing to me.

[liberal_at_heart]

38. my daughter and husband went to the midnight showing of the Hobbit

I was somewhat fearful. I didn't feel completely safe until I received that call that the movie was over and they were on their way home.

[OldDem2012]

23. Who is the "we" for whom you're speaking? Are they in the habit of posting on DU....

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....or do they frequent another board?

[regjoe]

25. Other parents who drop their kids off at school in the mornings

You see, unlike moore, I actually drop my kid off at school. I actually communicate with other parents.

[OldDem2012]

37. I drop my daughter off every morning, too. Additionally, my wife is a co-director of a preschool...

....I suspect we're in tune with other parents as well, or better, than you claim to be. We're all worried to one degree or another and we live in a deep red state.

Maybe you should ask a few more direct questions from those other parents with whom you claim to be communicating.

[regjoe]

47. Ah yes

The ever expected throwing out of the word "claim" in hopes of dismissing facts.

Tell me, would the question "Do you think about the shooting at Sandy Hook when you drop off your kids?" be direct enough?

Not sure if you noticed or not, but I NEVER said EVERY parent didn't dwell on Sandy Hook. I merely stated that I do not, and that so far, none of the other parents I have spoken to do.

[OldDem2012]

52. To what "facts" are you referring? So far, I haven't seen any facts in your posts....

....that warrant dismissal. "Claims", yes....facts, no.

But we certainly know what happened at Sandy Hook, don't we? That seems factual enough for me to be concerned every time I drop my kid off at school. The parents my wife and I talk with are all concerned, even the folks who own guns and never thought about gun control before.

[pamela]

48. It is possible that he talks without thinking.

He drops his kids off at school, talks to other parents about Sandy Hook, asks them if they think about Sandy Hook when they drop their kids off and does all of this without "thinking" of Sandy Hook. Yeah, that's possible...

[Arugula Latte]

45. That should keep your kids safe if someone decides to raid a gun stash and go to your kids' school

and take out their frustrations with a weapon that fires multiple rounds within a few seconds.

[liberal N proud]

2. Every time we go to public places we have to think about who is packing

Sandy Hook is the reminder that even children are not safe today.

[Coyote_Tan]

26. Was there a time when children were always safe from harm?

[OldDem2012]

44. You mean before a whack-job could walk into a school with a gun and start shooting? nt.

[liberal N proud]

53. When I was young, there must not have been any worry

We would leave the house when the sun broke through the window and back by dinner time. Don't recall any children being slaughtered be some automatic weapon welding wacko.

Never had anyone wave their presumably concealed weapon at me from their car until this year. It's only a matter of time before one of these exceptional law abiding citizens with their concealed weapon pops one off at some one in a public place,

[Coyote_Tan]

58. You seem to be exhibiting the aura of fear that anti-gun types usually assign to the pro-gun types..

[liberal N proud]

59. You obviously have never had a gun held to your face !!!!!!!!!!

That is when you experience REAL FEAR!

[Coyote_Tan]

60. Sure I have...

Lovely AK-47 it was...

I just don't let the experience shape my life.

[liberal N proud]

61. We shouldn't have to worry that sort of thing is going to happen

And carrying a gun myself wouldn't make me safer because by the time I pulled the gun on the gun wacko who first pulled it on my, I would have a hole in my head.

And the fear my dear gun nut, is real, and as far as not letting it shape your life, that is total and utter bull shit!

[marions ghost]

62. Bingo

NONE of us is safe from this insanity in a public place in America. We all think about it. We all imagine it. From time to time. And then we try not to think about it, and then there's another Sandy Hook....

We are being held hostage in this country and it is taking a serious toll on all of us.

[Leslie Valley]

3. Not really, but when I hear that the grandkids

Might be going to a concert or a nightclub or party on or near a college campus and especially if they are going to Mexico for spring break I do clench a bit.

[liberal_at_heart]

4. both my son's middle school and my daughter's high school have had threats this year

The threat at my daughter's school was a very serious threat that ended up involving the FBI. It is definitely more in my mind than it use to be. Unfortunately they could just as easily get shot at the grocery store or at the library as they could at school. No where is really safe anymore, so I just kind of have to force the thought out of my mind so I can allow them to leave the house.

[abelenkpe]

7. I certainly do nt

[gollygee]

11. I do

and when I go in there to volunteer I do as well.

[Tree-Hugger]

12. I admit I do think about it

My son is 6 years old. Same age as the kids who were murdered.

A local school went on lockdown a few weeks ago. That situation is terrifying enough, but emotions and fears were especially heightened since it was less than a month after Sandy Hook.

[City Lights]

14. If only that were true.

The NRA is far from doomed.

[Doctor_J]

16. NRA has again repulsed a common sense gun control initiative in the Senate

so, while they may be doomed, a lot more innocent Americans are doomed first.

[Taverner]

28. Loves me some Michael Moore

and yes, we have to keep pushing this meme

Make it so guns are as taboo as smoking cigs in California

[villager]

29. To be unabashedly "pro gun" at this point is about as historically astute as being unabashedly

... "pro slavery."

The dustbin of history awaits. Though like with racism and other plagues, it doesn't mean there won't be a high cost in getting there.

[Taverner]

30. Yep

[Flashmann]

32. I agree with Michael Moore

I don't drive by a theater without thinking of Aurora,Colorado.....I don't drive by a school,now,without thinking of Sandy Hook....To go one further,since the 60s,I don't see a bell tower without thinking of some nut sniper.....

[kiranon]

49. Agree with Michael Moore and your comments. n/t

[Throd]

35. I don't.

[reformist2]

40. Most parents do think this way now; ergo, he's right.

[NoOneMan]

51. I drop my kid off and leave

You can't live life in fear

[laundry_queen]

56. It's not in fear - it's in sorrow

and in empathy and sympathy of what those parents are going through. It's the gun nuts who live in fear every day of their lives, which is why they feel like they 'need' guns.

[NoOneMan]

57. Either way

We have no shortage of things to be scared of or feel sorrow for in human history.

If anything its the pickup that has changed in our school (or did in the recent aftermath). All the parents smile a bit more, and hug a bit harder.

But all such things fade. They must. Humans must learn to live with what we do, because we do so much harm to each other. Fortunately, we don't need to feel a certain way every day to remember a feeling and to know what is right or wrong.

[RetroGamer1971]

54. This parent does, and i am a retired teacher.

As a former teacher I worry. My kid goes to school and I worry. More now that a school has been invaded, and children murdered. I don't care about the gun debate. Legislating that is above my pay grade. I care about never pulling up to my child's school, and seeing the lights and sirens, as the police inform me my fifth grader is dead. I know many other parents that are part of our school association who feel the same way. The fact that gun supporters are heckling the surviving parents of these murderer children is despicable to me. Do they not realize it could have been their kids?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022273968
Pro-assault weapons goon heckled the father of one of the kids slaughtered in Newtown

[laundry_queen]

55. I do.

I did this morning, with one of the parent's (of a slain Sandy Hook child) words ringing in my ears, "I put 2 kids on the bus that morning, but only one got off." I was walking my 2 youngest to the bus and couldn't get those words out of my head the entire time.