Why are we surprised that the gun nuts behaved the way they did?

[dsc]

They have told us over and over again, that they have all the rights in the world and none of the responsibilities that typically come with rights. That is how 3 year olds think. So a group of people have told us over and over again, that they think like 3 year olds. So why are we surprised when they act like them. There is only one way to deal with three year olds when they throw tantrums. It is to be the parent and tell them that they have to take their nap, or have to eat their food, or they have to get back round checks and not have more than 6 bullets in their guns. What you don't do is reason with them, argue with them, or negotiate with them. We are the parents and it is time for us to act like it.

[Fumesucker]

1. President Obama did say that gun control advocates need to be respectful and listen better

And Napoleon said it is rude to interrupt while your enemy is destroying themselves.

[Blue_Tires]

2. "You see now? This is why we can't have nice things..."

[Robb]

3. I vote love and logic, if we must be parents.

"I hear you saying you really want unfettered access to all manner of death-dealing firearms. I can see you're upset that I'm telling you we can't do that. Should we go look at some other fun things to do that don't hurt our friends instead?"

[Control-Z]

6. Oh, Robb. That made me

I think it could work. Really.

[ManiacJoe]

4. Wouldn't it be easier to just treat them like adults?

They have told us over and over again, that they have all the rights in the world and none of the responsibilities that typically come with rights.

Rights come with responsibilities. They get to shirk the responsibilities only if you let them. Unfortunately, far too many in this society let them....

[dsc]

5. yes I agree

that is why they should have backround checks, no bullets over 6, and I think register.

[LibGranny]

7. and I think all guns should be registered AND TAXED much like your auto!

Sent my suggestions to all my congresspeople and got the standard blah-blah-blah response from them (if any response at all) and they talked about mental health issues. Also sent a letter to VP Biden with what I'd like to see done about this issue. I hope something comes out of it because it breaks my heart to think of those little children in Connecticut!

[marions ghost]

29. It will happen again

and will we even be able to care? After awhile you get numb. And that's what the gun lovers are counting on.

Thanks for trying. It still matters even if the reps sidestep the issue. We need to keep speaking up. As long as we can still muster anger and frustration.

They are just going to wait for us to "get over it." And expect us merely to "live with" horrific incidents like Newtown. But that's not living. That's denial. That's not living. That's turning everyone in the country into a prisoner --and a potential victim.

[Skittles]

8. the actions of cowards never surprises me

they are very predictible

[lib2DaBone]

9. I don't own any guns.. I am not a "Gun-Nut"...

I don't own any guns.. but I think there will come a time when people will be sorry that they turned over their last gun to authorities.

The Nazi's were very adept at poll taking. Getting people to tell them where the guns were stored.

Then, once they had convinced the masses to register or turn over all their guns.. they sent the SS agents door-to-door to collect the guns. They would say things like, "Where is that pistol you said you kept in the desk drawer.. it's not there now.. where is it"?

Maybe my tin-foil hat is stretched too tight... but I see more false flag incidents on the horizon...designed to rally the public to give up their guns.

Problem-reaction-solution.

[theKed]

12. You DO know the Nazis-as-gun-grabbers

schtick is a rightwing fallacy, don't you?

[jeff47]

20. Actually, the Nazis loosened gun control laws

for everyone except the Jews. The Weimar Republic more-or-less banned firearms to comply with the Treaty of Versailles, and the Nazis loosened those laws up. And the Nazis did not confiscate non-Jew's firearms.

But excellent work catapulting the propaganda!

[guardian]

37. And what happened to the Jews

AFTER the gov't took their guns? Or are you a holocaust denier too?

[jeff47]

38. The point is they didn't take guns from anyone, including jews.

They didn't have guns to begin with. The Weimar Republic took them when the rest of us imposed the Treaty of Versailles on Germany.

And if you think that the Jews could have resisted the Nazis if they were armed, you're an idiot. Tanks beat rifles. As demonstrated by all the groups, including Jews, who did try to resist with rifles and lost. Badly.

But again, you're going a great job catapulting the propaganda.

[Skittles]

23. LOL - paranoid much?

[VOX]

24. "We're here under direct orders from President Obama. We understand you have...."

"...an AK-47 stashed under your pantry floorboards; and a Bushmaster tucked behind a false wall in the linen closet; and a Browning Hi-Power pistol wrapped in a plastic sack, buried in the flour bin. We'll wait."

Really, now -- this silliness is the insane fodder for Idaho survivalists, upstate Michigan militias and the Arkansas Posse Comitatus. It will NEVER occur in the real world.

Besides, Obama's got DRONES!

[Democracyinkind]

27. Your schtick about the Nazis is just made up shit.

I work at a university and have published articles on nazi policy. Everythibg you said about Nazis is pure fucking fabricated and has no basis in reality. Why do you feel the need to write down stuff you just invented as factual?

AND WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN WITH "MORE FALSE FLAGE OPS"?

do you mean like newtown? tinfoil too tight indeed...

[Puzzledtraveller]

36. I agree lib2daBone

[Dustlawyer]

10. You have to try to understand them. Their RW media has never stopped talking about how, "the

Government will come for your guns!" They have been so thoroughly steeped in this, and how it will start with one regulation, then another, then another! There is really nothing that can be said for most of them for this reason.

[derby378]

11. Okay, now I'm curious...

Who told you that they want all of the rights but none of the responsibilities? Was it someone on DU? A link would help.

[dsc]

13. I have listened to what they say

It is I have a right to this, I have a right to that. Never to they say we should make sure our guns aren't stolen, or we should have to wait for five seconds while our backround is checked.

[derby378]

14. I'm cool with the background check - in fact, it could use a little improvement

A mental health counselor hoarded patient records at his home. One of his patients was Seung-hui Cho. Because of this guy withholding critical information from the folks behind the background check, Cho bought guns, and Virginia Tech happened.

So yes, I think the NICS check needs a little improvement, but on the back end as well as the point-of-sale.

[dsc]

15. that isn't how many of the gun people behave

Tell me how what I wrote is different from the NRA line.

[Recursion]

18. There's a reason 95% of gun owners are not in the NRA (nt)

[Bake]

19. Given that there are around 100 million gun owners, more or less

I don't think you can call that group "they" as if "they" speak with one voice.

And you certainly haven't listened to ALL of them.

Bake

[dsc]

21. If a bunch of gay people were going around advocating MAMBLA like policies

you can bet that gays everywhere would loudly scream that they were crackpots, vile, evil, and not to be listened to. What do gun owners do when the NRA acts the way they do, nada?

[krispos42]

16. For the same reason we weren't surprised when gun controllers behaved the way they did.

Blame all guns owners for the actions of one madman, despite the fact that when the RWers blame all Muslims for the actions of a few terrorists, that's wrong and ignorant.

This is when you're not declaring us all three year olds, of course.

Now, do you blame the ACLU and all of its supporters whenever some murderer or rapist gets off on a technicality? You should, if you're going to be consistant.

And your solution to the problem is wage war on protruding pistol grips. That is your mature, reasoned, well-informed response.

Rifles with pistol grips are the problem. You've had 10 years of an assault weapons ban, and 10 more years to think about the next one, and the target of your hatred is... rifles with pistol grips.

[dsc]

17. I don't care about the grip

I would ban any weapon which carries more than bullets, can be fired without recocking, and all bullets which can pierce armour. In addition all guns and all bullets would only be sold with full back round checks. The fact is we are the only country in the first or second world that has anything like the gun violence we have, and we are also the only nation in the first or second world that has gun policies as lenient as ours. It isn't rocket science.

[krispos42]

22. And thus the problem

It's one of understanding.

"all bullets that pierce armor". That's meaningless, really... pretty much any deer rifle firing a normal, expanding bullet will punch through your standard police body armor vest.

I've personally seen a .270 Winchester punch clean through all the layers of sheetmetal of an F-150's bed.






Do you think a patrolman's body armor would have stopped that bullet? If that had been a South Dakota trooper, he would have been dead.


Pretty much any hunting bullet from a rifle will pierce typical police body armor. Only the really heavy stuff will stop rifle rounds.




Your desire to ban all semi-automatic guns is at least logically consistent, unlike those that propose "assault weapon" bans. I disagree with you, but admit that your position at least tries to address the perceived problems that we are currently dealing with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Armor#Performance_standards

[VOX]

25. Steven wouldn't be grinning if someone had been sitting in that truck bed...

When the day comes that these photos -- documenting a supposedly "oops, golly-gee!" gun-owner's "goofy" moment -- don't seem so cute or funny, then that'd be a good start.

[krispos42]

30. He was shooting at a deer.

He braced the gun on the bed of truck, aimed, and shot. The deer in the crosshairs was just above the edge of the bed, the bullet path was just below. Hence the hole.

[dkf]

26. People can be irresponsible using their right to have an abortion also.

But that is their choice right?

[dsc]

31. well if they start aborting other people's children

then you might have a point.

[LanternWaste]

33. Under what practical and realistic scenario is the option to choose a medical procedure

Under what practical and realistic scenario is the option to choose a medical procedure "irresponsible"?

And just as relevant, wow often do these medical procedures affect anyone other than the patient?

[green for victory]

28. You're a Uniter, not a Divider

aren't you

Can you make your case with all due respect?

No?

Don't expect much in return
(from one who owns no guns, drones, tanks or any long knives)

[dsc]

32. tell me where I am wrong

Come up with one instance in the last decade, when an NRA spokesman has stated that gun ownership comes with any responsibility whatsoever. Go ahead, if you find it I'll delete the thread myself.

[nick of time]

34. NRA spokesman doesn't represent 95% of gun owners.

The majority of gun owners know that responsibility comes with gun ownership.

[dsc]

35. two things

I didn't use the words gun owners in my post and two it is up to gun owners to open their mouths. I can tell you if gay leaders were dishing out NAMBLA propaganda on a daily basis gays would be shouting from the rooftops that those people are sick deluded nuts who don't represent gay people. The NRA is doing pretty much the same thing to crickets.