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Anyone read about this? The human mind is so incredible.
The day after TODAY reported on the baffling case of 12 teenage girls at one school who mysteriously fell ill with Tourette's-like symptoms of tics and verbal outbursts, a doctor who is treating some of the girls has come forward to offer an explanation. Dr. Laszlo Mechtler, a neurologist in Amherst, N.Y., says the diagnosis is "conversion disorder," or mass hysteria.
"It's happened before, all around the world, in different parts of the world. It's a rare phenomena. Physicians are intrigued by it," Mechtler told TODAY on Wednesday.
"The bottom line is I was fine. I was perfectly fine. There was nothing going on, and then I just woke up, and thats when the stuttering started, Sanchez told TODAY.
Im very angry, Sanchez told TODAYs Ann Curry during an interview Tuesday. Im very frustrated. No ones giving me answers.
these teenagers will get better."
http://todayhealth.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/18/10181277-teen-girls-mystery-illness-now-has-a-diagnosis-mass-hysteria
woolldog
(8,791 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Best we can do is lock it, you'll have to repost it in the Lounge yourself.
nevermind.
obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)This is a very interesting medical topic, which has an historically link (ie Salem Witch Trials).
Suich
(10,642 posts)Horse feathers!
Why would an Honor's Student, star athlete fake it???????
edited to ask: Why move this to the Lounge? It's ok here, imho.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)There have been many many well documented cases of similar types of 'outbreaks'.
For example there was a case where students in one wing of a school were in a room where one student started vomitting and soon many in the same room started vomitting. In an attached wing students could see the students vomit and started vomitting and so on and dozens were sent to the hospital and an investigation for toxic elements were searched. However it was later determined that their was no shared air space between the students and the only common environmental factors they shared were line of sight.
Other class rooms that shared ventilation but did not share line of sight did not experience the vomiting contagion.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)witnessing it, smelling it, just hearing it...can easily trigger more cases.
Not to argue your point. I'm sure it happens with other illnesses. Puking is just too easy, if you know what I mean. Now where it that puke emoticon?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)other symptoms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Psychogenic_Illness#Late_20th_Century_and_21st_Century
On the morning of Thursday 7 October 1965, at a girls' school in Blackburn, several girls complained of dizziness.[15] Some fainted. Within a couple of hours, 85 girls from the school were rushed by ambulance to a nearby hospital after fainting. Symptoms included swooning, moaning,chattering of teeth, hyperpnea, and tetany. Moss and McEvedy, published their analysis of the event about one year later. Their conclusions follow.[15] Note that not their conclusion about the above-average extroversion and neuroticism of those affected is not necessarily typical of MPI.[2]:
Clinical and laboratory findings were essentially negative.
Investigations by the public health authorities did not uncover any evidence of pollution of food or air.
The epidemiology of the outbreak was investigated by means of questionnaires administered to the whole school population. It was established that the outbreaks began among the 14-year-olds, but that the heaviest incidence moved to the youngest age groups.
By using the Eysenck Personality Inventory it was established that in all age groups the mean E [extroversion] and N [neuroticism] scores of the affected were higher than those of the unaffected.
The younger girls proved more susceptible, but disturbance was more severe and lasted longer in the older girls.
It was considered that the epidemic was hysterical, that a previous polio epidemic had rendered the population emotionally vulnerable, and that a three-hour parade, producing 20 faints on the day before the first outbreak, had been the specific trigger.
The data collected were thought to be incompatible with organic theories and with the compromise theory of an organic nucleus.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)It will help you access more emoticons.
Suich
(10,642 posts)They live in a town that is either 150 or 250 miles away. The only commonality is that one of the girls, the one who is an athlete, was in the town where this started last Saturday for a meet, (I can't remember what she plays...I think it's soccer.) and had lunch there.
I think this doctor is dismissing it because they are female.
When Princess Diana died, the reaction of the people was played off as "mass hysteria" when, in fact, it may have been genuine grief.
I've seen a couple of these girls with the Tourette's syndrome and one of them asked, "Why would I do this to myself?" She was exhausted and her whole body ached.
I think there's more to it than Dr. Mechtler suggests, but that's just me. I hope they keep looking.
Peace
Javaman
(62,507 posts)I wonder what kind of sport she participates in?
If it's outdoors and on a field and if the girls effected at the school are also athletes.
Since I'm just spitballing here, maybe it has something to due with the pesticides used on the field?
something is not right here and someones not giving all the information.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)were predicated on a similiar event. The whole witch hysteria thing came about shortly after several Salem teenage girls suddenly came down w/baffeling symptoms that sound very much like those mentioned in the OP.
Town religious leaders, believing the girls were victims of some type of demonic forces, began intense inquisitions of them, which ultimately resulted in the girls pointing fingers at various residents-- mostly older/widowed women but a few men too. The accusations quickly got out of hand as these types of things tend to do.
A PBS program (might have been NOVA- don't remember exactly) attempted to uncover the reasons why the girls became 'ill' in the first place. Could it have been caused by toxins in some blighted barley crops harvested that year, or perhaps something just like the OP's 'Conversion Disorder?' If I remember correctly, the program left that as an open question, but seemed to lean toward the latter.
Javaman
(62,507 posts)the outbreak of the crazies in Salemn has been theorized as being a result of ergot poisoning.
fasinating stuff.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/history/ergot.htm
"My goal was to demonstrate that women could be as wicked as men. As I began researching, I remember having one of those kind of 'ah-hah!' experiences, where I was reading a book in which the author said he was at a loss to explain the hallucinations of all these people in Salem. It was that word 'hallucinations' that made everything click. Years and years ago, when I was a little kid, I had read about the French case of ergot poisoning, and I made the connection between the two."
and...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergotism
Salem witchcraft accusationsThe convulsive symptoms that can be a result of consuming ergot-tainted rye have also been said to be the cause of accusations of bewitchment that spurred the Salem witch trials. This medical explanation for the theory of bewitchment is one first propounded by Linnda R. Caporael in 1976 in an article in Science. In her article, Caporael argues that the convulsive symptoms, such as crawling sensations in the skin, tingling in the fingers, vertigo, tinnitus aurium, headaches, disturbances in sensation, hallucination, painful muscular contractions, vomiting and diarrhea, as well as psychological symptoms, such as mania, melancholia, psychosis and delirium, were all symptoms reported in the Salem witchcraft records. Caporael also states there was an abundance of rye in the region as well as climate conditions that could support the tainting of rye.[6] In 1982 historian Mary Matossian raised Caporaels theory in an article in American Scientist in which she argued that symptoms of bewitchment resemble the ones exhibited in those afflicted with ergot poisoning.[7]
The hypothesis that ergotism could explain cases of bewitchment has been subject to debate and has been criticized by several scholars. Within a year of Caporaels article, the historians Spanos and Gottlieb argued against the idea in the same journal. In Spanos and Gottliebs rebuttal to Caporaels article, they concluded that there are several flaws in the explanation of ergot poisoning as a cause of conditions associated with cases of alleged bewitchment. For example, they argued that if the food supply was contaminated, the symptoms would have occurred on a house-by-house basis, not just in particular individuals. Historian Leon Harrier has challenged this theory by claiming that even if supplies were properly cooked, residents suffering from stomach ulcer's had a risk of absorbing the toxin through the stomach lining, offering a direct route to the blood stream. Being similar to Lysergic acid diethylamide, the chemical composition of the average humans stomach would be too acidic for the ergot to survive, especially if the food was properly cooked, but if some residents were malnourished and suffering from bleeding stomach ulcers, there is valid reasoning to say that while most of the residents would not be affected by ingesting contaminated grains, a small percentage could have become infected, offering an explanation for why ergotism was never initially recognized. Harrier has even argued that the numbers could have been exponentially larger, possibly even the entire town, but due to the trials on bewitchment and heresy, and the fear of being accused and subsequently executed, few could come forward while suffering from legitimate medical conditions. Spanos and Gottlieb also state that ergot poisoning has additional symptoms not associated with the events in Salem and that the proportion of children afflicted were less than in a typical ergotism epidemic.[8] The anthropologist H. Sidky noted that ergotism had existed for centuries before the Salem witch trials, and argued that its symptoms would have been recognizable during the time of the Salem witch trials.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)First one or two people would start acting weird and then people around them would "catch it".
We used to call it a contact high. Didn't seem to last long.
RZM
(8,556 posts)Next we'll see human sacrifice and dogs and cats living together . . . .
Alameda
(1,895 posts)whatever it is, it's a problem and needs to be seriously addressed.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)lol, they're not faking. There's nothing they can do to stop it. But there's no real cause either.
FedUpWithIt All
(4,442 posts)Suspicions that there may be an HPV link at least in the initial cases.
Edited to add that even the Dr. only asserted that 10 of the 12 were suffering from possible conversion disorder.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)obamanut2012
(26,049 posts)Even when the girls were never left alone, they acted in unison, including being sick and hurting themselves. Some of these girls were also the "Big Girls On Campus," such as the minister's daughter and niece.
IcyPeas
(21,855 posts)has had three of the girls on his show a couple of times. One had a fit during the show -- her mother was there to aid her - apparently she has seizures frequently now - that doesn't sound like something that can be faked. It looked awful.
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)Psychosomatic means that you REALLY BELIEVE that you have a condition or that there's something wrong with you. It may be all in your head, but you're not "faking," and it also means that you can have things happen like nervous tics, nausea, vomiting, even seizures, and many other symptoms.
Suich
(10,642 posts)to join the investigation...could be a good thing.
If there's a cover-up she might be able to expose it.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)Dr. Trifiletti says the illness used to be known as PANDAS but is now called PAND, because it was determine that strep isn't always the cause of the infection.
The full name for the illness is: Pediatric Acute Autoimmune Neuropsychological Disorders. Here's a link with more information on this illness www.pandasnetwork.org.
While it isn't contagious, he says it is often linked to an unusual immune response.
http://intramural.nimh.nih.gov/pdn/web.htm